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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2012 (Feb 27 - Mar 04)
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I have this feeling DQX is going to bomb. The Wii version, at least. How well did FFXI do?
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Metallix87
Member
It would be a first for the series.
frankie_baby
Member
Going off unit sales absolutely terrible for a mainline ff, but its apparently squareenix's most profitable game ever
frankie_baby
Member
Mgs will bomb but lets not be stupid
The real fight is between girls rpg and vita
grimshawish
Banned
Right so Vita has fuck all out? So basically what everyone said since they announced it?
Seriously can't be arsed with some of the arguements on here. Am sure we'll get a stupid comment about MH4 claiming its a fucking saviour and not that its non-exclusive or produced for 3DS, or that somehow Japan is made up of fucking predictable twats who those in the West can mock and make predictions on.
Just can't. Vita is a flop and nothing looks to pick it up. FACT.
This is no slight on Sony, who should follow PSP in Japan for a while, ffs Vita works as a next-gen to 3DS - LAUNCH IT LATER! Not now, ffs.
Seriously can't be arsed with some of the arguements on here. Am sure we'll get a stupid comment about MH4 claiming its a fucking saviour and not that its non-exclusive or produced for 3DS, or that somehow Japan is made up of fucking predictable twats who those in the West can mock and make predictions on.
Just can't. Vita is a flop and nothing looks to pick it up. FACT.
This is no slight on Sony, who should follow PSP in Japan for a while, ffs Vita works as a next-gen to 3DS - LAUNCH IT LATER! Not now, ffs.
grimshawish
Banned
Am not even gonna ask.
frankie_baby
Member
Probably best you dont
I don't really believe this. I don't think Vita's software situation is a case of they wouldn't, I think it's rather a case of they can't.
Nintendo jumped on the chance to court third parties and, it seems so far, they've won that battle handily. Without third parties Sony has nothing.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Not first week vs LTD.
First week vs Vita's hardware next week.
I could see MGS at 10k and Vita HW at 9ish.
Metallix87
Member
Exactly. Sony has wasted time this generation. They should've seen the signs, and started building up stronger first-party franchises.
That was the point. I don't think that's a reflection on any recent abrupt failings on the part of Sony, that's just endemic of almost two decades of how Sony has positioned their gaming business. That long-term problem bearing fruit is why they've been scrambling over the last few years gobbling up studios and desperately trying to throw as many games against the wall as possible until something sticks. And that just won't work.
AceBandage
Banned
But that's just it.
An entire generation where they let the PSP basically be destroyed until Capcom came along and graced them with Monster Hunter, and they don't even try and secure anything away from Nintendo?
That's a complete lack of caring.
grimshawish
Banned
Sony got lazy after PS2 was a bomb. They just expect others to flock to them. Seriously imagine if the 360 never existed, PS3 would still be okay, but it'd probably have a pretty hard time!
Vita was poorly launched and even worse was Sony's software for it. I just don't think they understand handhelds, and never have.
Vita was poorly launched and even worse was Sony's software for it. I just don't think they understand handhelds, and never have.
Sony can only do so much to court Capcom before hurting themselves. That's another less heralded side effect of Sony's PS3 disaster and financial woes: Sony no longer has the resources to assert themselves against their competitors in the gaming space.
frankie_baby
Member
i'm a bit more optomistic for mgs i'd say between 15k and 25k the bundles alone should probably be a couple of k, girls rpg should be between 4k and 10k just right for a fight with vita at 9k
the question now is:
even assuming that right now Sony is working full force on building an handheld IP that they could rely on when they are on a dry spell (let's say for the sake of this hypothesis a MH clone) how long do you think it would take them to actually
finish development
launch the game
attract possible buyers
establish the franchise well enough to effect somehow their hw (i'm not talking about establishing the franchise to the level of a pokemon or mh, that wouldn't be realistic, i'm just talking about damage control)
even assuming that right now Sony is working full force on building an handheld IP that they could rely on when they are on a dry spell (let's say for the sake of this hypothesis a MH clone) how long do you think it would take them to actually
finish development
launch the game
attract possible buyers
establish the franchise well enough to effect somehow their hw (i'm not talking about establishing the franchise to the level of a pokemon or mh, that wouldn't be realistic, i'm just talking about damage control)
Possibly so. I do think they've done a good job with the PS3 in the second half of it's life with the redesign and price adjustments and at least a couple of world class franchises, Uncharted chief among those. They have concentrated on studios and gaming experiences that more closely align to western tastes and the PS3 has benefited somewhat from that while the Vita is suffering for it in Japan.
frankie_baby
Member
If they start now vita will be discontinued by the time its out
Metallix87
Member
Exactly. The time to start doing this kind of stuff would've been either a few years into the PS3's life or around the time MH revived interest in PSP.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
As far as Japan goes, I think it's already too late. There's a userbase gap of 4.5 million between Vita and 3DS. By this Summer it will be above 5 million. One game isn't going to make Vita the more viable platform to base your game around no matter how successful it is.
Hey it worked once before, surely it could work again!
Hypothetically, could they survive on console game ports until, say, 2013, when whatever games they announce at E3/TGS come out?
Sometimes, I wonder if Sony exec's really think that...
AceBandage
Banned
So... do what they did with the PSP.
Can lightning strike twice?
Doubtful...
I questioned, long before the 3DS was even announced, whether Sony would even make a follow up to the PSP, simply because I couldn't see the market for it.
Now I question if Sony even knows why they made a successor to the PSP...
They'll bleed into the Vita as long as they can, I'm sure. They aren't just going to stop making it in a year or so.
But it's not going to be pretty unless something drastic happens.
sure, but any financial advisor would tell you that you are an idiot for letting the fate manage your business...
sorry guys, i may be in denial, but i can't really think that's the way sony is managing the launch of one of their core products...
God no. They needed to do the exact opposite. Sony needed to have Vita released in unison with the 3DS - summer of 2011 at the absolute latest. There's simply no excuse for giving 3DS a year head-start - a year to work through all of their pricing and software issues, and a year to build up a 15-million unit lead and secure a bunch of 3rd-party support uncontested because their competitor wasn't even on the market yet.
You just don't give the successor to the most successful handheld of all time a head-start. Not if you have any intentions of actually competing with them. It really is analogous to MS and Nintendo giving the PS2 a year head-start, following the massive success of PS1. Sure, the PS2 was underpowered in comparison, but it could still handle all of the same types of content. Much like the 3DS is underpowered in comparison, but can still handle all the same types of content.
The PS2/XBox/Cube battle was over before it even began, and the Vita/3DS battle was also over before it began. I can't say it enough, but there was simply no excuse for launching late with Vita. If that means they had to have a backup plan in place to go with different hardware if Vita wasn't feasible in early 2011 - then they had to have a backup plan in place. Just sitting on the sidelines for a year was an atrocious decision if their product wasn't going to be wildly different from the 3DS.
And it's way too late for Sony to shell huge amount of money specifically for the Japanese market since the market is too small to justify the risk. It's something they should have done right after the PS2, not now when they are irrelevant.
AceBandage
Banned
If they have a plan for the system, then they need to announce it. Yesterday.
What they're doing now is not healthy for a system.
I agree. I get why they went for Western developers. But I don't get why they basically completely abandoned Japanese developers.
It's just so short sighted.
frankie_baby
Member
Vita is about to cross streams with the gamecube, its at serious risk of crossing streams with the dreamcast this summer, its just been given the bomba console kiss of death (phantasy star online) will it actually last well into 2013?
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
what's especially worrisome is that this Vita game heaven's big announcement was PSO2 coming out in 2013 which, in my mind, makes it seem like they really have nothing else on the table for this year. It would make no sense to mention PSO2 for 2013 if they had other games coming in Q3 or Q4 2012. I mean... surely there's something, right? They couldn't possibly just not have a big title for the holiday season.
Ugh, Sony seems so incompetent in dealing with this. SE and Capcom, two of the largest forces in propping up the PSP, are either nowhere to be seen or uncertain about its future.
Why wouldn't they secure so deals/exclusives? Sega's the only one that's really announcing stuff for the Vita.
I don't know. What would Panic Mode Sony do when Vita hits like 5k sales? What CAN they do? It's not like they can whip up games in less than year at SCEJ...
that's an understatement... handhelds primary support is from the east, you cannot launch one and don't care about Japanese Devs
BassForever
Member
All we'd have to talk about is how much the 3DS is god stomping until WiiU comes out at the end of the year.
haha, I've been wondering the same thing for the past month or so. Just what was said in the meeting rooms that gave the Vita project the greenlight. What were the selling points?
Technically, could the Vita be the inverse of what normal handhelds are like and survive on console ports on the West? I mean, GTA sold quite well on the PSP, and LCS/VCS were just a spinoff. If a GTAV/AC3/other major AAA IP ports were announced for Vita at E3, could the Vita survive on the sales in the West?
Sony execs: MH Vita is going to sell 8 million copies. It's not like we're going to lose exclusivity any time in the near future. It's not like that's ever happened before.
AceBandage
Banned
That's exactly what they are thinking.
They think that they can get western third parties on board with "easy of development" and "raw power".
AKA: They're trying to fight Apple head on, even if they don't realize it.
No. People will buy them, but not in large enough numbers.
They'll buy it for the systems they already have or for the new systems coming out. They have their phones already. They don't care about that kind of gaming on the go.
BassForever
Member
Probably not, no one is going to run out to buy Vita to play GTAV or AC3 on it, they'll just save 250 + 40 or 50 dollars and just get the 60 dollar version for their PS3/360 to play on their 50inch HD tv. The only way Vita could survive this way was if buying the PS3 version got you a digital download code that gave you the vita version for free or for only like 5-10 dollars. That would give it "take my save on the go" appeal and be reasonably priced.
test_account
XP-39C²
I would exactly say that they got lazy. The problem was that Sony took a big risk (they even said so themself) with making the PS3 that expencive. They took a gamble, hoping that people was very interested in it, but with the high price and the big competition from both Xbox 360 and the Wii, this gamble didnt work out.
This is actually not much different from what Nintendo did with the Wii. They made something very different, and that is a risk as well. No one could know how successful the Wii would be.
Making the hardware is afterall the other half of the equation. Software cant excist without hardware, so it is important to make hardware that people want as well. The PS Vita hardware is great, so i'm actually wondering a bit why more developers havnt embraced it more yet, at least from what have been announced so far. If not exclusive games, at least multiplatform stuff.
Yeah, that's a huge problem. The West doesn't prefer Vita, the East isn't supporting it. This is such a clusterfuck.
Yeah, kinda forgot about the 250 entry point there. Not many people is going to pay 250 for on-the-go versions of their games.
bigtroyjon
Member
well, somehow they should have epic on their side... i mean all they care is raw power...
the real question is why don't we have anything from epic announced yet? are they waiting for E3?
i mean, the psvita should be a wet dream for them...
AceBandage
Banned
Epic has the new iPad. They don't give a shit about the Vita.
test_account
XP-39C²
What did the other 99.99% of video game consumer want?