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[Mammoth Jones]

It's a war movie. To gloss over that could also be considered irresponsible

Agreed. But at the same time Mel saying marvel films are violent is silly and can only make him look bad.

Mel Gibson should not be saying anything that'd make him look bad. He barely scraping his way back into mainstream Hollywood.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Mel Gibson should not be saying anything that'd make him look bad. He barely scraping his way back into mainstream Hollywood.

goys will be goys

 

[johancruijff]

Shit just when GAF was starting to forgive him, he had to talk shit about Marvel movies

^

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

So a three hour movie about torturing Jesus Christ was what, exactly?

Boring. (with a hint of Antisemitism)

 

[itwasTuesday]

It's a war movie. To gloss over how fucked it is could also be considered irresponsible

I don't think I would classify any Gibson directed movie as historically responsible.

 

[Ridley327]

Hacksaw Ridge is one of the bloodiest, goriest films of the year, but it's fine because the main character is a seventh-day adventist.

sure :/

Considering that the film is in part about the consequences of violence, I don't see much of a contradiction.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Isn't that almost exactly the concept Civil War was based around?

 

[Prime crotch]

Yes, he is wrong. The consequences of violent action are the entire catalyzing force for the main story of Civil War, and in the scenes you mention Cap is actively trying to limit their actions to non-lethal measures. In real life a lot of them would have gotten seriously injured or killed anyway, yes, but to pretend the MCU movies don't understand violence has consequences is to dismiss a tremendous amount of evidence to the contrary.

In Civil War's particular case it was less about the Avengers going around being world police than about Bucky's actions, since the focus quickly shifted to it. So they didn't really address it, so much as handwave it.
Marvel movies continue to have an issue with sanitized violence, like most PG-13 action movies.

 

[PdotMichael]

Shit just when GAF was starting to forgive him, he had to talk shit about Marvel movies

Never talk bad about the favorite movies of nerds.

 

[Fat4all]

Considering that the film is in part about the consequences of violence, I don't see much of a contradiction.

It's practically gore porn. My mom hated it, and I found it bizarre.

I liked the film as a whole, but I felt the violence was to the point of being almost comical.

 

[Fuu]

how many people are reading consequence instead of conscience in the thread title?

 

[Dash_Riprock]

It's a war movie. To gloss over how fucked it is could also be considered irresponsible

There's not glossing over (Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket) and then there's wallowing in the violence and gore with disturbing sadistic glee (every Mel Gibson movie).

 

[ScatheZombie]

Isn't that essentially the biggest criticism GAF has about Marvel films too?

 

[Gorillaz]

Rdj pretty much handed Ironman 4 on a platter to marvel as long as Mel would direct

That dream is now dead lol

 

[Puck Beaverton]

GAF now believes Gibson is a hack who should stay blackballed.

 

[Extra Sauce]

It took him ten years to come back from his antisemitic rant.

He will never come back from his anti-Marvel rant.

 

[Alienfan]

I think it's weird that we're okay with mindless violence in PG13 movies (even if it's sanitised, killing is still killing) but god forbid a tit is shown.

 

[televator]

Yeah, violence should have a point. Like the torture porn on Passion of Christ. Gets me off real good. /s

 

[Frozenprince]

There's not glossing over (Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket) and then there's wallowing in the violence and gore with disturbing sadistic glee (every Mel Gibson movie).

This, I'm sorry but the real war, especially Okinawa, the single most brutal theater of war maybe in all of recorded human history, still wasn't a cacophony of blown off limbs flying everywhere, blood spurting from every angle, people being wholesale butchered like they are in a Geoff Johns comic, etc etc.

There's showcasing the sheer brutality of war and its consequences, and there's treating it like a cartoon with shit flying around everywhere at every moment.

 

[Monocle]

How charming to see Mel Gibson of all people moralize about any topic, never mind violence in film.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Yeah, violence should have a point. Like the torture porn on Passion of Christ. Gets me off real good. /s

He suffered for your sins, you know.

 

[HighResTomato]

Attack the man not the argument the thread.

 

[biggersmaller]

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Attack the man not the argument the thread.

You can do both.

 

[SoulUnison]

"Violence without conscience."

Ok, Mad Max.

 

[Frozenprince]

Attack the man not the argument the thread.

His argument doesn't hold much water either considering that like four of the films are about the conscience and consequences of violence and violent intervention as a solution to the problem.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

I bet he really hated Captain America 1

 

[Sibersk Esto]

“To talk about the violence question, look at any Marvel movie. They’re more violent than anything that I’ve done"

I do not think this is accurate.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Attack the man not the argument the thread.

Sorry, I'm allergic to hypocrisy.

 

[Frozenprince]

Moreover, isn't that statement inherently wrong to begin with? As if associating conscience and moral values to violence suddenly ratifies it?

That's a fucked up attitude Mel.

 

[Bronx-Man]

GAF now believes Gibson is a hack who should stay blackballed.

I believed this since he was on tape saying "I hope you get raped by a pack of n***ers".

But I'm glad to hear making a mediocre war-flick is all it takes for forgiveness in the eyes of you guys.

 

[PsychBat!]

I do not think this is accurate.

It isn't.

Shit just when GAF was starting to forgive him, he had to talk shit about Marvel movies

But some people are convinced that this narrative is true.

 

[Discotheque]

There's not glossing over (Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket) and then there's wallowing in the violence and gore with disturbing sadistic glee (every Mel Gibson movie).

Well the comparisons of the battle scenes are more to SPR than anything else from what I'm reading. So I dunno what you're talking about in this case.

Plus it seems like an interesting juxtaposition going from some Forrest Gump/James Stewart aww shucks movie to straight up hell on earth in the second half. I imagine something like that highlights the man's bravery and conviction quite well. Again this is all just speculation based on impressions i've read since I'm not seeing it for a couple days yet.

 

[G.ZZZ]

I don't think he's wrong, but it's definitely not an MCU-exclusive problem. There have been enough PG-13 films in recent years that I would never show to a kid because of how flippant they are towards violence. The Hobbit films and the Transformers films are my number one targets on that front.

He's right yeah. Those films show violence and mass death as an afterthought. Like, there's no gravitas, it's all presented as background. Which is a completely valid choice, mind you, but it's pretty disgusting to me, following in the american movie tradition of death as an acceptable side effect of doing things.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Mel dun fucked up. MCU fans are ruthless in their ability to hate people for criticizing their movies.

 

[shintoki]

Mel, if you want to do a comic book movie. Acting like a Tsundere is not the way!

 

[Frozenprince]

He's right yeah. Those films show violence and mass death as an afterthought. Like, there's no gravitas, it's all presented as background. Which is a completely valid choice, mind you, but it's pretty disgusting to me, following in the american movie tradition of death as an acceptable side effect of doing things.

This is a global entertainment problem not just an american problem, tbh.

Mel dun fucked up. MCU fans are ruthless in their ability to hate people for criticizing their movies.

Alright seriously what's up with this flippant attitude? Like, if the guy wants to levy a criticism like "they lack narrative depth and nuance" then that's one thing, that's a valid criticism.

But saying "this is violence for violence's sake" when several of the films have wholesale made the consequence and morality of violence as a solution as their moral center to be disingenuous, at best.

 

[13ruce]

The Passion of the Christ was torture porn.

There is a sequel coming lol in a few years.

 

[PsychBat!]

Mel dun fucked up. MCU fans are ruthless in their ability to hate people for criticizing their movies.

welp

 

[KahooTs]

Don't know why he stoops to comment on Marvel movies. Is it because people are asking him questions about them because of that directing Ironman rumour/possibility?

 

[Frozenprince]

There is a sequel coming lol in a few years.

"How we crucified Peter, except upside down!"

Writes itself.

 

[Discotheque]

Passion of the Christ was a decent flick. I think the torture porn aspect of it gets overblown online. It was quite gruesome but it served its purpose in highlighting the shit he went through in the story. And it wasn't the only thing the movie had going for it.

I think going with a historically accurate language and also it's depiction of satan brought some cool things to the table. If it wasn't for last temptation of christ (with freaking Brooklyn Judas lmao) it would be the most interesting biblical adaptation imo.

 

[Bleepey]

I kinda agree with him. When you look at how violence and collateral damage were viewed in MOS compared to Avengers and how MOS's reception lead to Age of Ultron having the Avengers focus a lot on saving people than tackling Ultron. Similar shit was seen in BVS with a fight in an empty dock and in Civil War in an empty airport.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Shit just when GAF was starting to forgive him, he had to talk shit about Marvel movies

Already shat on DC..wanted to get the other half to join forces in hating him about funny book movies! 😠

 

[Monocle]

Attack the man not the argument the thread.

Mel's character and career are relevant to his comments. The messenger can contextualize the message. Ad hominem doesn't apply in every single case.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

It's obvious that you shouldn't look for substance in a comic book movie or most blockbuster movie in fact.

I don't care what he thinks and I never will care about what he thinks because he's an anti-Semitic asshole. Go away Mel.

Yet you're the first post in this thread, you fool no one.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

He ain't wrong. Too bad for Saint Mel though, because I like violence without conscience in my fiction.

 

[Ridley327]

Well the comparisons of the battle scenes are more to SPR than anything else from what I'm reading. So I dunno what you're talking about in this case.

The violence is definitely more on the SPR side of the scale. Intense and unsparing, but its presented very matter of fact without lingering too long on individual acts of violence. If an argument has to be made against the film's depiction of violence, it's more of a quantity argument than trying to stylize it in an attempt to clean it up and, god forbid, make it palatable.

And that's my issue with something like Transformers, which tries to obfuscate the fact that the filmmakers are exposing children of all ages to absolutely barbarous acts of violence that is suddenly OK because they're just robots. There's even less of an argument of that kind with the last one, which features our human hero taunting one of his foes that he he'll get to live to see his family before shooting him out of a window. And that's the son of a bitch we're supposed to root for.

I would probably agree that the MCU has been better than most films with their recent attempts at giving more weight and concern about what violence can and will do to individuals and the world at large, but they're not enough on their own when everyone else is still going down the road of "gee, I wonder how cool this looks."

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Alright seriously what's up with this flippant attitude? Like, if the guy wants to levy a criticism like "they lack narrative depth and nuance" then that's one thing, that's a valid criticism.

But saying "this is violence for violence's sake" when several of the films have wholesale made the consequence and morality of violence as a solution as their moral center to be disingenuous, at best.

This is the same universe where Guardians of the Galaxy has how many on-screen deaths that was so famously held up as something cool recently?

Occasionally acknowledging the heroes blow shit up, blow people up, etc isn't doing it properly. Civil War is a great example of them trying to show consequence but then...

Spoiler

Iron Man starts punching and shooting Captain America and Winter Soldier

. These are action adventure movies so they'll have a big explosive third act that will have death because ironically killing off random civilians is a decent motivator while killing a hero is cheap.

This isn't a MCU problem but generic action movie problems.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

This is the same universe where Guardians of the Galaxy has how many on-screen deaths that was so famously held up as something cool recently?

Fans were wowed at seeing a Celestial on the big screen, not the amount of people it killed and how it killed them.