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Mel Gibson Says That Marvel Films Are Violent "Without Conscience"

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I'm not really sure what the problem with PG-13 action movies is, unless you're some hardcore pacifist or something. Movies tend to have sanitized, simplified... everything. Like literally every thing. Every single aspect, even in movies that are otherwise lacking in fantastical elements. So why should action be any different? Hell, from a certain perspective the whole notion of action movies is ridiculous because in real life action is never as stylish, and rarely as fun to watch as it is in movies. But you don't shit on Shakespeare because the dialog is unrealistic, and it makes no more sense to shit on Star Wars because ~realistically~ blowing up a moon-sized space station would have a death toll in the millions

Not to mention he's full of shit, because even if the movies he's directed feature martyr characters who go through physical and emotional hell because of the consequences of violence, the movies he's starred in sure as shit haven't. That dude was in fucking Machete and Expendables. This reeks of an envious old man irritated at the new money making megalith.
 
kobu said:
Well the reality of the situation is that most people don't care to discuss his criticisms of film after the foul shit he said and you can't really blame them. Every thread about him will be filled with people giving him shit so either ya'll stop making them or deal with it.
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What you are saying is people will come into a thread they have no interest in with the explicit intent to derail the topic for those who do want to talk about it.
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
It was highlighted long before it ended, and yet he felt the need to beat the cruelty and suffering drum for almost the entire run time. It borders on masochistic, slow motion torture and all, and it's just not particularly interesting in the slightest, regardless of how well shot it is. It fails even harder when you compare it the infinitely more interesting Scorsese film. That one actually has merit. (and there's little chance of finding antisemitism in it either!)

It's admirable he used an archaic language, I guess, I'll give you that.
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to each their own man. definitely agree that Scorsese's movie was better but I honestly never really took into account the brutality of the flogging and crucifixion until I saw it in Passion of the Christ. Like sure, theoretically, getting the hammer in the wrists and being crucified has to be horrendous but that suffering never really clocked with me fully until i saw that movie.
 
hamchan said:
I'll just quote the rest of the article:



I don't really agree with him on his movies not being as violent or that people don't care about the characters, but I can respect his view. A lack of stakes or tension is a constant criticism that is thrown at the MCU and what Mel said isn't too far off from that.

I also won't crucify him for answering a question that was asked of him. It's not like he's putting out a statement saying "I hate thing". He was asked a question and answered honestly with his opinion, I can respect that.
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Naa man, he's antisemitic

you're supposed to disagree and hate everything he ever says or does and bring that up at every opportunity

Seriously though, I find it silly the amount of people not actually addressing what he's actually saying in this thread. He's a piece of shit but why is that relevant to violence in Marvel movies again?
 
I guess the difference between Passion/Machete/Lethal Weapon etc is that they aren't marketed towards kids which the Marvel movies most certainly are.
 
Discotheque said:
to each their own man. definitely agree that Scorsese's movie was better but I honestly never really took into account the brutality of the flogging and crucifixion until I saw it in Passion of the Christ. Like sure, theoretically, getting the hammer in the wrists and being crucified has to be horrendous but that suffering never really clocked with me fully until i saw that movie.
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I'd rather watch Man Without a Face again.
 
I hate when superhero films actually try and address destroyed buildings and stuff. Why can't they just be superheroes? Why are DC and Marvel doing all this "we're 'heroes' but look at all the colatteral damage!" stuff in their films? Why can't there be some destruction (these are superhero action movies) without tying it into civilians being involved in it?
 
Fj0823 said:
The Passion was uneceseraly violent.

And I say this as a Catholic.

I fail to see his point
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I don't think the Passion was "unnecessarily" violent when the entire point of the movie was to show people exactly what Jesus went through.

I agree with Mel from the standpoint that Mahvel's movies just have no real consequence to their actions. I feel nothing. I definitely don't care about what's going on. William Wallace dies a horrifically violent death in Braveheart, and yet it's one of the most emotional moments I've experienced on screen.
 
I don't know what "violence without conscience" means exactly, but the violence in those movies does seem to have no consequences. There are massive battles in the middle cities with tons of buildings and stuff getting destroyed, and yet innocent people never seem to die in those battles, and the economy is never effected, and no one ever cleans anything up, and yet everything returns to normal like a day later. The Hulk beats the shit out of Loki, and yet Loki doesn't get killed and doesnt' even seem to be hurt. A guy whose "power" is just being really good at archery is just as important to the war effort against magic aliens as people who are basically gods. Do the villans in those movies ever even die? Are there ever lasting consequences for anything? There is no reason to care about anything that happens in those movies. The fight scenes are all just weightless, consequencesless, CGI trash. Those movies are cartoons with about as much depth as those old GI Joe or Transformers cartoons. And, by the way, no amount of genetic mutation will allow you to break the laws of physics. And yet those movies just keep making trillions upon trillions of dollars.
 
I think the Singer X-men films are a considerably better at it. And it is probably comes down to things as simple as loss not being black and white, and letting grunts have faces, and the camera looking at their eyes at least once, and hearing screams, seeing pain, etc.

A bunch of guys with no names were killed rather quickly in the Poland scenes of X-Men Apocalypse, but you do get to feel about these random workers and policemen because the camera has the decency of looking them in the face for a couple of lines.
 
This from a holocaust denier who knocked his wife's teeth out.


This is highly relevant to the thread because he himself has no moral conscience.
 
Vulcano's assistant said:
I think the Singer X-men films are a considerably better at it. And it is probably comes down to things as simple as loss not being black and white, and letting grunts have faces, and the camera looking at their eyes at least once, and hearing screams, seeing pain, etc.

A bunch of guys with no names were killed rather quickly in the Poland scenes of X-Men Apocalypse, but you do get to feel about these random workers and policemen because the camera has the decency of looking them in the face for a couple of lines.
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And yet nothing happened to Magneto at the end, despite the fact that he killed thousands in that movie.
 
jett said:
I don't think the Passion was "unnecessarily" violent when the entire point of the movie was to show people exactly what Jesus went through.

I agree with Mel from the standpoint that Mahvel's movies just have no real consequence to their actions. I feel nothing. I definitely don't care about what's going on. William Wallace dies a horrifically violent death in Braveheart, and yet it's one of the most emotional moments I've experienced on screen.
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IMO he glorified the violence over Jesus himself.

But maybe that's just me.
 
jett said:
I agree with Mel from the standpoint that Mahvel's movies just have no real consequence to their actions. I feel nothing. I definitely don't care about what's going on. William Wallace dies a horrifically violent death in Braveheart, and yet it's one of the most emotional moments I've experienced on screen.
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yeah that scene still gets me. bless up to James Horner for that soundtrack too btw, RIP.

I don't think they'll ever be able to achieve a level of emotional manipulation that successfully in their movies. and it doesn't help that i don't give a shit about any of their characters in the movies too. like as much as I have loved Tony Stark's screen presence if he blew up in the next Marvel movie I feel like I wouldn't care much the next minute. And this is a character I've been watching since 2008(!!)

it's not just a marvel problem either to be fair. although I liked BvS, Superman's "death" was just whatever to me too. shout out to amy adams for working to sell that scene but it still doesn't have an effect for me. these films are not working hard enough to get the audience to care much past the spectacle of it all.
 
Discotheque said:
yeah that scene still gets me. bless up to James Horner for that soundtrack too btw, RIP.

I don't think they'll ever be able to achieve a level of emotional manipulation that successfully in their movies. and it doesn't help that i don't give a shit about any of their characters in the movies too. like as much as I have loved Tony Stark's screen presence if he blew up in the next Marvel movie I feel like I wouldn't care much the next minute. And this is a character I've been watching since 2008(!!)
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lol agreed 100%.
 
aadiboy said:
And yet nothing happened to Magneto at the end, despite the fact that he killed thousands in that movie.
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yep and it really didn't work , even Xavier got it worse, one of my gripes with that film. It certainly doesn't hold the tone all the way through.
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Marvel is not all bad. The Death of Ho Yinsen in Iron Man has some really nice weight to it. I really liked the treatment in that one.
 
Langdon Alger said:
I've seen many of these movies.
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Then you would know that:

Obadiah Stane, Whiplash, Aldritch Killian, Malekith, Ronan, Ultron, and Yellowjacket all die.
The Avengers ends with news footage of a memorial dedicated to the civilians that died in the final battle.
One of main plot points of GotG is for the Guardians to evacuate Xandar so as little civilians are as killed as possible.
The entire fucking plot of Civil War is the United Nations taking the Avengers under task for having mass-casualty events happening under their watch.
One of the plot points of Dr Strange is Strange declaring that he refuses to kill enemies in battle.

Now I would agree with an earlier post saying the MCU movies are bloodless without consequence, but to say that they do nothing to place an emphasis on death or violence is outright preposterous.
 
Bronx-Man said:
Then you would know that:

Obadiah Stane, Whiplash, Aldritch Killian, Malekith, Ronan, Ultron, and Yellowjacket all die.
The Avengers ends with news footage of a memorial dedicated to the civilians that died in the final battle.
One of main plot points of GotG is for the Guardians to evacuate Xandar so as little civilians are as killed as possible.
The entire fucking plot of Civil War is the United Nations taking the Avengers under task for having mass-casualty events happening under their watch.
One of the plot points of Dr Strange is Strange declaring that he refuses to kill enemies in battle.

Now I would agree with an earlier post saying the MCU movies are bloodless without consequence, but to say that they do nothing to place an emphasis on death or violence is outright preposterous.
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I can't blame anyone for forgetting about the villains in the MCU movies.
 
jett said:
I don't think the Passion was "unnecessarily" violent when the entire point of the movie was to show people exactly what Jesus went through.

I agree with Mel from the standpoint that Mahvel's movies just have no real consequence to their actions. I feel nothing. I definitely don't care about what's going on. William Wallace dies a horrifically violent death in Braveheart, and yet it's one of the most emotional moments I've experienced on screen.
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And the purpose of that extreme violence in passion plays was to incite people to commit violence against Jews. Where is the moral conscience of that?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_Play
 
Bronx-Man said:
Then you would know that:

Obadiah Stane, Whiplash, Aldritch Killian, Malekith, Ronan, Ultron, and Yellowjacket all die.
The Avengers ends with news footage of a memorial dedicated to the civilians that died in the final battle.
One of main plot points of GotG is for the Guardians to evacuate Xandar so as little civilians are as killed as possible.
The entire fucking plot of Civil War is the United Nations taking the Avengers under task for having mass-casualty events happening under their watch.
One of the plot points of Dr Strange is Strange declaring that he refuses to kill enemies in battle.

Now I would agree with an earlier post saying the MCU movies are bloodless without consequence, but to say that they do nothing to place an emphasis on death or violence is outright preposterous.
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Honestly, even though it is a plot point... He isn't wrong about the connection. If I want to describe the feeling, someone dies, then basically everyone goes back to normal cracking jokes 5 minutes later. It's like the world is on the brink of destruction once more, thousands have died, a super villain invades, and then it's back to normal. He is criticizing a comic book movie... for being... a comic book.

-_-
 
I mean say what you will about the man personally, but he's not wrong.

Marvel movies treat violence like AAA video games. It's an easy way to get people's eyes to gloss over and ignore that the core movie is about as vapid as dollar store novel.
 
Funny, Mel Gibson's historical films could be said to violently hack away at the historical periods they take place in "without conscience".
 
Discotheque said:
yeah that scene still gets me. bless up to James Horner for that soundtrack too btw, RIP.

I don't think they'll ever be able to achieve a level of emotional manipulation that successfully in their movies. and it doesn't help that i don't give a shit about any of their characters in the movies too. like as much as I have loved Tony Stark's screen presence if he blew up in the next Marvel movie I feel like I wouldn't care much the next minute. And this is a character I've been watching since 2008(!!)

it's not just a marvel problem either to be fair. although I liked BvS, Superman's "death" was just whatever to me too. shout out to amy adams for working to sell that scene but it still doesn't have an effect for me. these films are not working hard enough to get the audience to care much past the spectacle of it all.
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As soon as William Wallace's wife starts walking towards him through the crowd, it's a wrap. I'm balling like a baby.

The Kree said:
Maybe the intent of this thread was to give MCU critics a place to fellate Mel Gibson. So we should probably leave.
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LOL I'm dying.
 
Isn't all media kinda glossing over death these days.

Horror movies are PG13 affairs
The new Brad Pitt WW2 spy film looks to focus on romance more than the actual spying and those they killed
TV Shows, the stakes aren't really high unless you're one of the most wacthed shows where story and blowback are key.
Gaming, well, isn't the key to finishing those games is to dispatch your foes?

Marvel films are just a fraction of how Hollywood treats death these days.
 
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