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Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of The Patriots 2.0 |OT| Kept you waiting, huh?

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This trailer was awesome:

I hope Konami remasters it.
It was an amazing trailer. I cant remember was it TGS or E3....when Kojima showed again the trailer but stopped it half way to show, that it was real time, not cgi. Pressed pause and moved the camera around, zoomed in and out. It was very powerful because that was the year of the "fake" real time trailers that were gonna show off the PS3 power (motorstorm,killzone 2, nfl).

MGS4 will forever be my favorite MGS title and the day Raiden became the ultimate bad ass.
 

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This must have been tgs because at the sony 2006 e3 conference, we got the mgs4 trailer with the better looking Meryl and the whole gun in the mouth scene takes place in a derelict building, not the cementary.

Edit: found it.
 
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Could use a remaster edition on XB1. Still want to play through Peace Walker, but read that it's a 40 hour campaign?
 

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MGS4 needs to remain locked in the nostalgia box of "good memories" for most people, because right now, ten years later? Nope. The AI is abysmal (shockingly bad, even), the gunplay is below par for a title which strived to bridge the gap with third person shooters, the pacing is "off" (certain acts are a literal piss-take, such as Prague's botched stealth sequence) & the return to Shadow Moses was a complete letdown. MGS4 is when Kojima lost the plot & attempted to make a game which was far, far too ambitious for the hardware he was developing it on. I needn't even mention the excessive runtime of the cutscenes either.

But, on the plus side I guess act 2 was okayish (including one of the boss fights).
 

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MGS4 needs to remain locked in the nostalgia box of "good memories" for most people, because right now, ten years later? Nope. The AI is abysmal (shockingly bad, even), the gunplay is below par for a title which strived to bridge the gap with third person shooters, the pacing is "off" (certain acts are a literal piss-take, such as Prague's botched stealth sequence) & the return to Shadow Moses was a complete letdown. MGS4 is when Kojima lost the plot & attempted to make a game which was far, far too ambitious for the hardware he was developing it on. I needn't even mention the excessive runtime of the cutscenes either.

But, on the plus side I guess act 2 was okayish (including one of the boss fights).
That’s cause act 3 wasn’t finished. Like...really not finished. There’s supposed to be two sections that never got finished (english codec lines were recorded for both parts and their assets were featured in mgo2). A sewer escape that included an escort mission with Eva never got finished. And some of that you can blame on poor leadership.
I think the only two boss fights that were any good were rex vs ray and the last one. Mgs4 is a super depressing game, but for all the wrong reasons.
Could use a remaster edition on XB1. Still want to play through Peace Walker, but read that it's a 40 hour campaign?
It’s just as big as tpp but with more substance and more variety. But it’s fun. Make the jump and play PW.
 

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That’s cause act 3 wasn’t finished. Like...really not finished. There’s supposed to be two sections that never got finished (english codec lines were recorded for both parts and their assets were featured in mgo2). A sewer escape that included an escort mission with Eva never got finished. And some of that you can blame on poor leadership.
I think the only two boss fights that were any good were rex vs ray and the last one. Mgs4 is a super depressing game, but for all the wrong reasons.

It’s just as big as tpp but with more substance and more variety. But it’s fun. Make the jump and play PW.

We can only hope death stranding will not end up this way. Kojoma broke free from Konami and their shit support. We finally get a complete game
 

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MGS4 was a tiny game. there are two pretty small open world sections that are the side of a handful of TPP bases, then the Europe map, then the single base map w annoying swarm robots fan service to Shadow Moses, then the rest of the game is like 4 or 5 hallways with hours of cutscenes in between. it was ok but it really is a game you might as well just watch youtube letplays of. i am glad Kojima went away from this style with his next games.

MGSV has half a dozen large bases on 2 giant open world maps with TPP, plus the Ground Zeroes open world map with 60 hours worth of missions, plus TPP's FOB 6 platforms worth of MGS2-style level design, each of which can be 4 floors big, plus the MGO maps. don't even give me "but empty maps" all of that space is used, in side ops, in tank battles, in missions that cover vehicle chases across vast terrain, etc. in PW they reused the same levels for side ops, here each one can take place at a different location.
 
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MGS4 was a tiny game.

MGSV has [...] 60 hours worth of missions
I played MGS4 exclusively for months straight. I beat it 25+ times and put serious time in MGO. I’m biased because it was my first MGS game.

MGSV I played for 20 hours and never wanted to touch it again. I’d rather play peace walker any day.
 

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MGS4 is both the best and worse in the series. It's got some great moments, but I'll don't think i'll ever forgive the game for that horrible Johnny and Meryl scene. And I really didn't like the globe trotting in MGS4. If they had expanded the middle east section into its own full game I would have enjoyed MGS4 a lot more.
 

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I need and want o share this video. It’s a long video but the guy did his research.
Great video (& funny as well). Basically, MGS4 is one of my biggest-ever what the literal fuck am I even playing moments in gaming. All the critics who gave it top scores, all the fanboys who fellate Kojima... all of them were either straight-up liars, blind or Kojima himself brainwashed them with a little nanomachine skulduggery (skullbuggery; more like).

It's literal shit. The AI is broken & pathetic, the attempts at third person shooting fail miserably, the tactical nature of the battlefield during the war sections is a bad joke (whatever Kojima intended... it doesn't work) & it has a total clusterfuck game design whereby it never knows what its even trying to be (stealth? Nope. Action? Nope. Infiltration… maybe, but it's done so badly so-who-the-fuck-even-cares). Then we have ultra fails like the motorbike chase, the stealth mission in Prague, the return to shadow moses… with a laughably bad boss fight at the end. That was even the case back in 2008, by the standards back then. It's inexplicable.

I'm not one to usually hate a video game, but for MGS4 I make an exception. Fuck it, fuck its overlong cutscenes, its nonsensical story & its broken gameplay/game design. On the plus side (yep, even the proverbial broken clock is right twice a day), the graphics were good at the time & Naomi is a seriously sexy bitch.
 

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Great video (& funny as well). Basically, MGS4 is one of my biggest-ever what the literal fuck am I even playing moments in gaming. All the critics who gave it top scores, all the fanboys who fellate Kojima... all of them were either straight-up liars, blind or Kojima himself brainwashed them with a little nanomachine skulduggery (skullbuggery; more like).

It's literal shit. The AI is broken & pathetic, the attempts at third person shooting fail miserably, the tactical nature of the battlefield during the war sections is a bad joke (whatever Kojima intended... it doesn't work) & it has a total clusterfuck game design whereby it never knows what its even trying to be (stealth? Nope. Action? Nope. Infiltration… maybe, but it's done so badly so-who-the-fuck-even-cares). Then we have ultra fails like the motorbike chase, the stealth mission in Prague, the return to shadow moses… with a laughably bad boss fight at the end. That was even the case back in 2008, by the standards back then. It's inexplicable.

I'm not one to usually hate a video game, but for MGS4 I make an exception. Fuck it, fuck its overlong cutscenes, its nonsensical story & its broken gameplay/game design. On the plus side (yep, even the proverbial broken clock is right twice a day), the graphics were good at the time & Naomi is a seriously sexy bitch.
I’m glad you liked the video. I just wanted to showcase it here, especially since he did his research and you can see the passion. Rarely do you see this kind of commitment from a small youtuber, and I don’t mean that disparagingly.
I really want to say, for those who are put off by the title of the video or really love MGS4, give the video a look. It’s not what you think it is. If you enjoyed George’s (superbunmyhop) videos, you’ll surely enjoy this.
 

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I need and want o share this video. It’s a long video but the guy did his research.
This is what i hate about the current state of critiques. Everything is seemingly a joke and intercut with out of context scenes for a punchline. Evidence to back up claims is replaced with making a funny voice or sounding ironic.
 

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This is what i hate about the current state of critiques. Everything is seemingly a joke and intercut with out of context scenes for a punchline. Evidence to back up claims is replaced with making a funny voice or sounding ironic.
I know it’s a lot to ask someone to watch a 3 hr plus video, but it gets emotional towards the end while respecting everyone’s thoughts on the game. If you’ve watched all of it, and still feel the same, fair enough.
 
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I actually went through and watched the whole thing. I liked the video and even still with its flaws, MGS4 is still my favorite in the series. It was just so insane and wierd at the same time. I really liked the first part where it downplays Kojima which it should because its not made by Kojima only but by a whole team but people still think everything comes out of his ass only which is not the fact. This video would of been perfect for that topic on prophet/genius.
 

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I was the right age and had the right kind of nostalgia at the time to love this game when it came out and play through it multiple times but I can’t say it will have aged well. My tolerance for cheesy bullshit has lowered a lot and things I thought had emotional impact then would just look lame now.
 

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I was the right age and had the right kind of nostalgia at the time to love this game when it came out and play through it multiple times but I can’t say it will have aged well. My tolerance for cheesy bullshit has lowered a lot and things I thought had emotional impact then would just look lame now.
People will look back in ten years at some of the so-called super-duper emotional mature titles dominating the sales charts this gen/game of the year awards in 2018/19 & also think "Jesus f Christ, that's total shit, what was I thinking?". With regards to MGS4, the whole old snake crap was exactly that, i.e. crap. David Hayter was given a dud script so I can't blame him for his performance either. FYI, I don't even think MGS4 is that bad in terms of its overall theme, but the actual contents of the story (events/details & presentation + dialogue) drag the whole thing down. It's a mess.

I reckon Kojima knew that, so he made MGS5... which has no real cinematic presentation at all. That was also a mess. Two wrongs don't make a right etc. Kojima forgot how to make a simple story with complex themes after MGS 1, 2 & 3 which are epic Tom Clancy tier espionage flicks.
 

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4 and 5 are in some ways a mess. Yet still I love them. V's main issue is it's obviously unfinished. 4 has a super convoluted plot, one or two really dreadful moments and as stated before, a poor script. Still, I love them both tbh. Have a lot of nostalgia for 4 now, reminds me of those early PS3 days before it had really hit it's stride
 

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I was the right age and had the right kind of nostalgia at the time to love this game when it came out and play through it multiple times but I can’t say it will have aged well. My tolerance for cheesy bullshit has lowered a lot and things I thought had emotional impact then would just look lame now.
I think the game has aged well. I played it for the first time last year and it was very good. Graphics look great and I liked the story. There were some bad moments but I enjoyed it.
 
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That MGS4 video is really long at almost three and a half hours, but I'm tempted to watch it in chunks.
 

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I'm now replaying the game. I wish the Middle East part was longer. It is the best part of the game.
 
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People will look back in ten years at some of the so-called super-duper emotional mature titles dominating the sales charts this gen/game of the year awards in 2018/19 & also think "Jesus f Christ, that's total shit, what was I thinking?". With regards to MGS4, the whole old snake crap was exactly that, i.e. crap. David Hayter was given a dud script so I can't blame him for his performance either. FYI, I don't even think MGS4 is that bad in terms of its overall theme, but the actual contents of the story (events/details & presentation + dialogue) drag the whole thing down. It's a mess.

I reckon Kojima knew that, so he made MGS5... which has no real cinematic presentation at all. That was also a mess. Two wrongs don't make a right etc. Kojima forgot how to make a simple story with complex themes after MGS 1, 2 & 3 which are epic Tom Clancy tier espionage flicks.
Bet you're looking forward to Death Stranding, huh?