Archer Mac
Neo Member
Ef the cardboard box (not really 
), will we at least see actual metal gear in it and not just as the title? lol
), will we at least see actual metal gear in it and not just as the title? lol
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Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes [Impressions from Nasu]
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SolidSnakex
Member
It's part of the appeal of the series. So many military based games take themselves extremely seriously. There's no room for anything else other than that. MGS has always managed to differentiate itself from those games because it had wacky moments and goofy characters here and there. It wasn't always dead serious.
With that said, i'm not really worried about MGS5 in that area. I don't see Kojima backing off the lighthearted moments even though it's obviously going to be the darkest MGS by a long shot.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
You wouldn't possibly want to see more of this...
would you?
Fuck yeah, that was a brilliant moment. What I don't want to see is the genuinely ridiculous shit like:
MGS without the quirky, silly moments may as well be any other "dudebro", Tom Clancy wannabe, po-faced military shooter. It's the moments of levity and surreality, interspersed with the cod-philosophizing, soap opera plotting and heavy-handed moral messages, that are the very essence of Metal Gear. It's amazing how often Kojima was able to balance those aspects over the series and make it work.
"Hey guys, I have a great idea: Let's take away everything that makes a game unique or special."
XD
Bullshit. What should they have mentioned? The hypothetical amount of times the average gamer might replay this shit? How long it would take to get a platinum trophy? I spent 50 hours getting the platinum trophy in Metal Gear Rising, and it'd be fucking retarded to say that the game is 50 hours long. Fucking deal the bullshit length and pricing of this game.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Eh, MGS1 and even before that had a bunch of quirky stuff.
Otacon, tricking a guard with ketchup, Mei-Ling getting pissed at Snake about the Women's restroom, Psycho Mantis, Sniper Wolf's wolves, cigarettes to see lasers while also losing health, etc
porque? No comprendo.
Rogue Agent
Banned
I love MGS's quirkiness but MGS4 and even MGS3 at times took it a bit too far for me. I would love a return to MGS1s level, but dont want it gone entirerly. I think with MGS4 it stood out more because we were expecting this "epic, serious finale" kind of thing from the original E3 trailers and got Akiba/Meryl, Mt. Snakemore and such... I think whats most appealing about MGSV to me is that I can't imagine anything like that (at least at the more tense moments) next to these delicate issues Kojima is addressing like child soldiers.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
MGS4 certainly jumped the shark, but MGS3? I can't think of anything in it that was nearly as awful and unwarranted as Mount Snakemore. Any specific moments that pushed it over the edge for you?
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Thank god someone shares my view. This is exactly what I wanted to say. I loved the funny moments in MGS1 but it just went over the top with MGS3 and 4.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Looking back it does seem like MGS3 used way more overt humor than MGS2. Maybe they both had roughly the same amount but in MGS2 you more often had to look for or stumble upon the humor while MGS3 shoved it in your face a little more.
MGS4 needs no explanation. Peace Walker is literally COMICal.
Glad that GZ seems to dial it back more while still maintaining the charming nuances and levity of MGS.
MGS4 needs no explanation. Peace Walker is literally COMICal.
Glad that GZ seems to dial it back more while still maintaining the charming nuances and levity of MGS.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
What moments in 3 do you feel were too much? I'm wracking my brain but can't think of a single one that was comparable with Mount Snakemore in it's excess and irrelevance... inquiring minds want to know!
Major B.S.
Neo Member
Is it really time to look at a PS4?... Itchy Scratchy Tasty....
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
What moments in 3 do you feel were too much? I'm wracking my brain but can't think of a single one that was comparable with Mount Snakemore in it's excess and irrelevance... inquiring minds want to know!
It never quite reached MGS4 levels, but Raikov, The End's dentures, the Fury exploding into flaming faces of death, the motorcycle backflip off Ocelot's face, Ocelot spinning his revolver really fast to kill bees, and Snake shooting a piece of falling debris with a rocker launcher at just the right time during the motorcycle chase. So roughly about the same as 2, more or less.
CambriaRising
Member
Because I like to hurt myself.
It's okay. I did it too <3
Rogue Agent
Banned
Don't get me wrong nothing was on MGS4's level. The main thing that bothered me was the presentation of some of the Cobras, like them exploding after you killed them. Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhbjTvok1Fk
Among some other very campy moments which worked for MGS3 but I think set a bad predecent for 4.
jacksepticeye
Member
Bought mine today after thinking the exact same stuff earlier lol
Wanna break it in and get used to it as a system before Infamous and GZ (though I said I wouldn't buy GZ .... dammit)
Rogue Agent
Banned
Exactly!
Are you talking about the game with a magic horse set on fire?
I already bought a new pair of pants to take off while playing this. Kojima gonna Kojima, some will hate it some will love it.
Im in the love camp as always.
I BELIEVE IN KOJIGOD
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Kiefer has done a couple of games, pretty sure he was a lead in World at War.
jacksepticeye
Member
Biggest disappointment of a game ever. Something about it barely felt like an MGS game at times, really didn't click with me
MGS3 is one of my top 5 favourites ever though
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Fair enough. I can't say any of those felt out of place for the series to me.
Obviously, what one considers too much is purely down to the individual, but to me Raikov seemed like a nice little in-joke for the fans who didnt take to him (and wasnt entirely implausible), whilst the whole Fury exploding into faces schtick (or even all of the Cobras schtick) tied in with the series fondness for the supernatural, especially when it comes to it's bosses.
Take MGS, for example: Vulcan Raven gets eaten alive by crows, can carry a gun designed for fighter jets, and has tattoos that come to life; there are ghosts all over Shadow Moses that appear in photos; Psycho Mantis has psychic powers and can possess people; Sniper Wolf can communicate/command wolves; Decoy Octopus can take on anyone's form and even steal all of the blood in their body; Liquid Snake can survive a fall off REX specifically stated to be able kill his clone; a designer virus that assassinates people; there's a bipedal tank that roars like a dinosaur; there's an undead zombie ninja... etc.
I mean, those moments in MGS3 weren't any more excessive than anything else in the series up to that point to me...
but fuck Mount Snakemore. It's irrelevant to the plot, utterly excessive and without any point to it. It's far and away the most ridiculous moment in the series, far beyond anything else Kojimas pulled.
Rogue Agent
Banned
It's all about time and place as well. I wouldn't have hated Mt. Snakemore nearly as much if it wasn't what Ocelot escapes into after our battle with him, it takes away from a dramatic moment. Imagine if Skull Face did the same when Motherbase goes up in flames, that's the kind of thing I don't want. I'm okay with stuff like flaming unicorns or whatever when it's in a situation like Snake waking up from the hospital and is disoriented leaving it up to the player to decide what is real or fake, or the appearance of the Sorrow after jumping into the Waterfall. Similarly "goofy" humourous moments like Johnny diarrhea jokes I think have a time and a place.
Yes, but those times and places do not include full-fledged cutscenes about it.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, I can see that. I don't think anything in MGS3 was particularly out of place, whereas Snakemore had no place in the series. I took it as a big FURK YOU to the fan worship of the Snake family, rather than a humorous or goofy (or even philosophical) moment.
You see, I didn't mind that so much. I admit, I'm retarded and laughed. Then again, I don't think Kojima put a foot wrong in the first two sections of MGS4.
SJRB
Gold Member
Script needed a replacement for Solid Snake to give Meryl the happy ending, I suppose. So they used Johnny because Johnny has a crush on Meryl since the original Metal Gear Solid AND they can use diarrhea jokes more frequently.
WIN/WIN
[except for players. We lose]
Imma 4 real!
On Boxgate: We usually had to find the box in the series at first, so we've been 2, 3 or 4 hours into the game before we actually got the box so...
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Back in Amsterdam after a hellish flight from Tokyo to Moscow and then Moscow to Amsterdam.
Anyway, Ground Zeroes is pretty damn good. Mechanically, easily the best Metal Gear game I've ever played. Prettiest too, but that shouldn't come as a surprise. I didn't see a real difference between the Xbone and PS4 versions, but then again, I'm not a graphics whore in the slightest and don't go around looking for inconsistencies.
I'd say it'll take a Metal Gear fan around 7-8 hours to play through all of the missions at least once. Maybe 6 if they're the kind of people who're used to playing European Extreme on the older games.
After playing through all of the missions once, I had completed about 28%. The rest of that percentage is mostly just replaying missions, to complete it on Hard and get higher rankings.
It's a great game, just a bit expensive.
Anyway, Ground Zeroes is pretty damn good. Mechanically, easily the best Metal Gear game I've ever played. Prettiest too, but that shouldn't come as a surprise. I didn't see a real difference between the Xbone and PS4 versions, but then again, I'm not a graphics whore in the slightest and don't go around looking for inconsistencies.
I'd say it'll take a Metal Gear fan around 7-8 hours to play through all of the missions at least once. Maybe 6 if they're the kind of people who're used to playing European Extreme on the older games.
After playing through all of the missions once, I had completed about 28%. The rest of that percentage is mostly just replaying missions, to complete it on Hard and get higher rankings.
It's a great game, just a bit expensive.
Thanks for impressions!
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Thanks for having a Luca Turilli avatar
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Yeah, two hours for the main mission and about 45 minutes for each side mission.
To unlock the final side mission you need to collect all nine XOF patches, and they're hidden ingeniously.
To unlock the final side mission you need to collect all nine XOF patches, and they're hidden ingeniously.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
From the reactions to no Hayter or boxes in here, don't know how I can trust any gaf reactions to this game. I'm personally glad that nothing's too sacred to Kojima.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Very hyped for TPP, yes. Can't wait for that. Kojima said TPP's world is 200 times bigger than GZ.
There's no base building in GZ, no.
Also, Sutherland > Hayter. Trust me on this.
There's no base building in GZ, no.
Also, Sutherland > Hayter. Trust me on this.
matrix-cat
Member
Thanks for the impressions, man! Could you give us an idea what the side-missions are like? Is there any story context to them at all, or is it just a case of reaching waypoints without being spotted, or extracting marked guys, stuff like that? ~45 minutes each sounds a lot more substantial than what I was expecting.
BrainZEROX
Member
Cardboard will make sweet microtransactions... 0.29$ per cardbox, Kojima could even get paid to put some adds over them.
I'm joking...
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
They add some story context, yes. Not very much, though, but still.
The missions range from "blow up the anti air cannons" to "find out and kill two specific soldiers before they exit the base". It's pretty fun stuff.
http://i.imgur.com/tBD21Cp.jpg
Don't look now guys. Crazy theory about David Hayter's involvement with a very suspicious new Japanese companie called IQiOi, which was launched merely a couple days ago, yet the company info dates from 2003.
Don't look now guys. Crazy theory about David Hayter's involvement with a very suspicious new Japanese companie called IQiOi, which was launched merely a couple days ago, yet the company info dates from 2003.