OK, stick with me here, guys, this is my best shot at putting what we know so far into chronological order:
Ground Zeroes
- Kaz hears reports of Paz being picked up in the Caribbean Sea and held by Cipher at Camp Omega. Chico has been missing for a week, they presume he's suffered the same fate. This is an elaborate ruse by Cipher (and his agent Skullface) to lure Big Boss out of Mother Base and leave it unprotected.
- Big Boss, the dope, falls for it, and moseys on out for a doomed one-man sneaking mission, in the vein of the Tanker chapter and the Virtuous Mission. As he climbs the cliffs south of Camp Omega, Skullface's men fly out north over his head (in the direction of Mother Base, in other words)
- Skullface's men have removed the XOF logos from their uniforms and helicopter. They're posing as a UN inspection team that Kaz mentions is coming to inspect Mother Base
- Big Boss finds Chico in his cage - this is where the 'strangling' scene from the newest trailer takes place. Looking at it closely, I don't really know if it's strangling, though. Big Boss has his hands crossed and he's holding Chico up by the shoulders, which is a weird way to strangle someone unless you have them pressed against a wall, y'know? He might just be trying to shake Chico awake
- Whatever it is, Chico lives at least a little while longer. He comes with Big Boss as they look for Paz, who they find chained up (this scene is also in the new trailer) at about 1:44
Good post Matrix.
But what about Chico's headphone jack being plugged into his body? And Paz has this sort of bomb in her womb (lol). Connections? Walking bombs or eavesdroppers?
So guys, any more ideas what the hell those orange lines could be?
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They remind me of those retro photo reel machines. Orange lines would pop up when scroll through different photos.
Also don't forget that robot arm Big Boss is sporting is likely Zadornov's robotic arm from Peace Walker. In the second trailer at the post credits scene we see him light a cigar, presumably with the robotic arm. Zadornov's robotic arm had a lighter.
But I'll just say thing again:
The one thing that is puzzling me the most is the role of Kaz/Master Miller. Before Peace Walker Miller was an unimportant character, you only really "met" him in MG2 and in MGS1 he just turned out to be Liquid in disguise, as Liquid presumably killed him.
Now all of a sudden we find out he has a MAJOR role in the creation of Outer Heaven and has a close relationship with Big Boss. So the question is what the fuck happens to him especially after the events of MG1 and MG2 when BB is gone? Who really killed him and why? And why is he wearing a trench coat like he's Big Boss or something?
Snake/Big Boss needs to start sporting that trench coat now he's no longer Naked Snake he is the legend Big Boss, creator of Outer Heaven, and The Boss's successor. So there better be a fucking tench coat outfit for Snake too.
Skull Face kidnapped Chico and Paz, tortured them and operated Paz a bomb in her stomach and Chico a radio.
He asks Chico to do him a favor and the kid gives Skull Face some important information. As reward he gets the headphones so he can listen to music.
I don't know...
Yeah, MGS is wacky, but fair.It's like people TRY to forget that there are men with less than average clothes in the MGS games too.
Something like that. I have no idea about the headphones, but I'm wondering if the bomb in Paz's stomach might be the 'Trojan Horse' we hear Skull Face talking about in the GZ trailer. I thought it was just what they were referring to themselves as, attacking Mother Base in disguise as the UN Inspection Team, but it could just as easily be Paz's bomb. Cipher booby traps Paz and then leaks the information about where she's being held, knowing that BB will come and rescue her and possibly get blown up when he finds her.
1. Any idea of a release date?
2. I thought Pazturned out to be bad by the end of MGS: PW. She was revealed to be a double agent and you fought her when she hijacked Metal Gear ZEKE. How is she alive/an ally again?
And, if it is a bomb, it explodes injuring Kaz but severely injuring Big Boss, blowing off his arm and impaling Big Boss' skull with debris. It would explain a lengthy coma. Also, thematically, Skull Face would have used peace to turn Big Boss into a demon.
So guys, any more ideas what the hell those orange lines could be?
Wasn't that, like, DNA sequencing or something of the sort? Game-wise, it could be a checkpoint notification.
So guys, any more ideas what the hell those orange lines could be?
1. Any idea of a release date?
2. I thought Pazturned out to be bad by the end of MGS: PW. She was revealed to be a double agent and you fought her when she hijacked Metal Gear ZEKE. How is she alive/an ally again?
dan2026 said:Big Boss was initially introduced as Solid Snake's commander right?
The head of Foxhound.
Before he found out he was his father.
I want to know how he basically goes from mercenary and leader of his own private army to Snake's boss.
It's kind of the opposite in the way of most game fanart in that most things you'll find sexualize the males, hah.Yeah, MGS is wacky, but fair.
One thing I don't like about the cutscenes in the game is the frequent shaky-cam. It makes sense in some places, but doing it all the time is annoying.
So guys, any more ideas what the hell those orange lines could be?
Big Boss was initially introduced as Solid Snake's commander right?
The head of Foxhound.
Before he found out he was his father.
I want to know how he basically goes from mercenary and leader of his own private army to Snake's boss.
I think someone said they were checkpoints a while ago. Nothing is confirmed though.
So....wouldn't Master Miller be like 100 years old in MGS1?
Surely Snake has seen him, why isn't he surprised that he's still alive when he talks to him on codec?
He's around 59 during MGS1. Also that wasn't Miller in MGS1 it was Liquid imitating him.
No? Miller was born in '46, making him 38 in MGS5, and he himself would have been 59 during MGS1.Right, but the Miller he is imitating has to be way older than 59.
Eh. maybe not. The timeline always seemed messed up when it came to Miller.
If this game doesn't end with a coda of young Solid Snake happening upon Big Boss, I will be disappointed. I expected it to happen in MGS3, MGS Portable Ops, and MGS Peace Walker and was let down every time.
Good luck on trying to give us a convincing retcon on that one, Kojima.
old? I was right!!!
Miller at the time of Metal Gear 2 Solid SnakeRight, but the Miller he is imitating has to be way older than 59.
Eh. maybe not. The timeline always seemed messed up when it came to Miller.
Kojima has kept stressing that this is a new "Metal Gear" game. Which is actually quite intriguing in that wording alone. Not sure if that's just a slip up, or if there's more to that simple statement than we know. Not a new Metal Gear Solid, but a new "Metal Gear" game.
What were trying to accomplish is to recreate the Metal Gear series, its a new type of Metal Gear game and we want to have this reflected in the voice actor as well.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/03/29/kojima-explains-metal-gear-solid-5s-mogren-fakeout-hayters/
http://gematsu.com/2013/03/hideo-kojima-talks-metal-gear-solid-v
Kojima has kept stressing that this is a new "Metal Gear" game. Which is actually quite intriguing in that wording alone. Not sure if that's just a slip up, or if there's more to that simple statement than we know. Not a new Metal Gear Solid, but a new "Metal Gear" game.
“What we’re trying to accomplish is to recreate the Metal Gear series, it’s a new type of Metal Gear game and we want to have this reflected in the voice actor as well.”
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/03/29/kojima-explains-metal-gear-solid-5s-mogren-fakeout-hayters/
http://gematsu.com/2013/03/hideo-kojima-talks-metal-gear-solid-v
Ok, I'll throw my theory.. Kojima after MGS4 was done with Metal Gear, and after the PS3 downgrade and the problems carried in MGS4 he focused in having its own engine and making his next game, and open world game with a story centered in the famous taboos etc.. the famous Project Ogre. But then in some point, I don't know if it was because of the Rising fiasco and the outsourcing of this game to Platinum he decides that he can't leave to anyone his child saga, and then he transforms Project Ogre in Metal Gear Solid V, keeping a lot of new gameplay elements that he wanted to do (new motion capture techniques, open world, day/night cycles, the taboo themes..) and introducing the story after Peace Walker events. I would even say that ponytail-horned Snake was originally a new character of a new game.
And then, even after everything I've said, I would even go to the point that this game will be a reboot of the entire saga and its mythos, and then after MGSV we'll have more Metal Gears in this "new canon".
I can't believe I'm the only one that thinks this game is an entire reboot of the saga.. I'll quote myself again
So guys, any more ideas what the hell those orange lines could be?
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On the other hand, I could see Kojima do something crazy like kill off Big Boss and replace Master Miller with him. Changing the MGS history as we know it. That kind of works with the idea of misdirection above your quote.
The one thing that is puzzling me the most is the role of Kaz/Master Miller....
...And why is he wearing a trench coat like he's Big Boss or something?
Snake/Big Boss needs to start sporting that trench coat now he's no longer Naked Snake he is the legend Big Boss, creator of Outer Heaven, and The Boss's successor. So there better be a fucking tench coat outfit for Snake too.
I wouldn't say killing Naked Snake , but come on..
I can't believe myself when I saw that part. W-T-F.. Miller-evil "Big Boss"
I really don't think the MSX games have been considered canonical for a long time now. As in, not since 1998. Consider that the idea of Solid Snake being a clone of Big Boss was only introduced in Metal Gear Solid. As far as I can remember, the only mention of the MSX games in the entire MGS series is that Codec convo in MGS1 where Snake says "Some people just need killing". In MGS4 Snake talks a little bit about Big Boss having taught him CQC, but that's as far as it goes. MGS1 was always more of a 3D reimagining of the MSX games rather than an actual sequel, anyway, right down to such specific things like having to backtrack through half the game to get a weapon to fight a boss, and fighting a team of invisible guys in an elevator.
It seems pretty clear the Kojima's plan for MGSV is eventually going to lead to a complete do over on the conflict between Big Boss and Solid Snake. I imagine it'll be similar in detail to the original MSX games, but no way will it be a straight up remake.
Seriously, im not reading into it at all. I figure its just Kojima having a hard on for JJ Abrams and trying to simulate similar effects.
Why is everyone calling Miller the Evil Big Boss? I could see him becoming Campbell though. lol
Because the image I've posted from the trailer reflects exactly how I would imagine Naked Snake becoming the "Big Boss" that would made its way to the events of MG1. The trench coat, the beret, I don't know..