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[sonikokaruto]

the main problem is that most mexicans have resentment for the americans, i mean, americans are:

-white
-tall
-colored eyes
-have good houses
-the vast majority don't have shitty jobs
-highways are awesome
-they have the dollar
-they not ugly

i could go on, but it's getting more and more as a bannable offense. And i'm a mexican living in mexico :S

 

[subversus]

-they not ugly

Mexican women are hot

Spoiler

but all latin girls are!

 

[Regulus Tera]

the main problem is that most mexicans have resentment for the americans, i mean, americans are:

-white
-tall
-colored eyes
-have good houses
-the vast majority don't have shitty jobs
-highways are awesome
-they have the dollar
-they not ugly

i could go on, but it's getting more and more as a bannable offense. And i'm a mexican living in mexico :S

What the fucking shit

edit: And I'm the one Verano calls "malinchista".

 

[Andvary]

the main problem is that most mexicans have resentment for the americans, i mean, americans are:

-white
-tall
-colored eyes
-have good houses
-the vast majority don't have shitty jobs
-highways are awesome
-they have the dollar
-they not ugly

i could go on, but it's getting more and more as a bannable offense. And i'm a mexican living in mexico :S

...

 

[Forbiden]

the main problem is that most mexicans have resentment for the americans, i mean, americans are:

-white
-tall
-colored eyes
-have good houses
-the vast majority don't have shitty jobs
-highways are awesome
-they have the dollar
-they not ugly

i could go on, but it's getting more and more as a bannable offense. And i'm a mexican living in mexico :S

wait...what?

 

[sonikokaruto]

i googled "why mexicans don't like gringos" and the first result is very informative:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexicansDontLikeGringos.shtml

it's really hard of a concept to try to explain, but when you know that your country is full of shit, and that by being a burger flipper on yours nets you really really really good money, then people get resentfull

Just as an example: i'm a computer science engineer, and i'm in a well paid position, supposedly, and i make 3.70 dollars an hour. Hey, guess what, that's like half the minimum wage on your country. yup.

and because almost everything comes from china or the us, we gotta adjust to those price, but, you must also add the customs and extra taxes: arond 70% more ...

in perspective, xbox games come out at around 1300 pesos (around 110 bucks) and things like the xbox360 4gb is around 4500 (400 bucks).

so, we have to work double, to get the same things as you guys, for like 2 times the price. And that is just the tip of the iceberg ...

imagine if you will, that you tell someone that you will employ them for 5 bucks an hour. No school, no capacitation, no nothing, just work, and 5 bucks per hour.

Now, think of some dumbass who spent 24 years of his/her life on school, to earn less than some "mojado" that didn't study, and even has time and money to drink some "cervezas" at the end of the day, while another bunch can't ...

you see, in mexico, being ignorant gives you value, because if you aren't, then you might become a problem, and you can't even find a job. You're overcapacitated, and that means that you have to earn better money. But why pay if someone can do the same thing as you for a fraction of the money!?

i'm not exactly how to express it, but part of the problem is also the easy money, and what people are willing to do to get it.

'anyways, this thing i just typed is full of spelling errors, and i won't bother fixing them.

 

[Verano]

the main problem is that most mexicans have resentment for the americans, i mean, americans are:

-white
-tall
-colored eyes
-have good houses
-the vast majority don't have shitty jobs
-highways are awesome
-they have the dollar
-they not ugly

i could go on, but it's getting more and more as a bannable offense. And i'm a mexican living in mexico :S

huh? Mexicans only hate Landon Donovan and cheap ass white druggies who only want to pay half of pura/coke. The rest of the caucasians are cool especially white women..shit there's a lot of Americans/white living in Mexico..say like around 700k. So far you described your resentment and it's NOT the general consensus of what mexicans think of white people.

What the fucking shit

edit: And I'm the one Verano calls "malinchista".

dont forget a debbie downer and "the curse one" since you give Mexico's NT bad luck.

 

[confuziz]

As you said yourself, just gtfo, move to America or Europa. It seems like you have the money and can speak proper english, so why not?

 

[Forbiden]

i googled "why mexicans don't like gringos" and the first result is very informative:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexicansDontLikeGringos.shtml

it's really hard of a concept to try to explain, but when you know that your country is full of shit, and that by being a burger flipper on yours nets you really really really good money, then people get resentfull

Just as an example: i'm a computer science engineer, and i'm in a well paid position, supposedly, and i make 3.70 dollars an hour. Hey, guess what, that's like half the minimum wage on your country. yup.

and because almost everything comes from china or the us, we gotta adjust to those price, but, you must also add the customs and extra taxes: arond 70% more ...

in perspective, xbox games come out at around 1300 pesos (around 110 bucks) and things like the xbox360 4gb is around 4500 (400 bucks).

so, we have to work double, to get the same things as you guys, for like 2 times the price. And that is just the tip of the iceberg ...

imagine if you will, that you tell someone that you will employ them for 5 bucks an hour. No school, no capacitation, no nothing, just work, and 5 bucks per hour.

Now, think of some dumbass who spent 24 years of his/her life on school, to earn less than some "mojado" that didn't study, and even has time and money to drink some "cervezas" at the end of the day, while another bunch can't ...

you see, in mexico, being ignorant gives you value, because if you aren't, then you might become a problem, and you can't even find a job. You're overcapacitated, and that means that you have to earn better money. But why pay if someone can do the same thing as you for a fraction of the money!?

i'm not exactly how to express it, but part of the problem is also the easy money, and what people are willing to do to get it.

'anyways, this thing i just typed is full of spelling errors, and i won't bother fixing them.

It just seems like you resent both Americans and Mexicans who cross over, be it legally or illegally, due to your own monetary problems. Just about all Mexicans I know resent "Americans" due to reasons other than all of the ones you have listed. Racism(shocker) is usually the reason why most of the Mexicans I know hate Americans...but I mean, who likes being looked down upon just because you were born elsewhere or have a different color skin/eyes/whatever.

Money is a problem because the government makes it so that the poor and powerless struggle to make any sort of money and the ones in power gain all the wealth. It's not that there isn't money to be made in Mexico, it's just that in the current state of the government, you have to either be a corrupt politician, a corrupt businessman/woman, or be linked with drug cartels to make it.

 

[DarkFlow]

Where is Marston when you need him...

 

[Nlroh]

in perspective, xbox games come out at around 1300 pesos (around 110 bucks) and things like the xbox360 4gb is around 4500 (400 bucks).

so, we have to work double, to get the same things as you guys, for like 2 times the price. And that is just the tip of the iceberg ...

Come on, it's not THAT bad. I mean, the 1300 pesos games are the CE, normal games are like 899 or something like that.

And I've never met someone who has resentment because he is not white, tall and doesn't have "pretty eyes"...

 

[sonikokaruto]

It just seems like you resent both Americans and Mexicans who cross over, be it legally or illegally, due to your own monetary problems. Just about all Mexicans I know resent "Americans" due to reasons other than all of the ones you have listed. Racism(shocker) is usually the reason why most of the Mexicans I know hate Americans...but I mean, who likes being looked down upon just because you were born elsewhere or have a different color skin/eyes/whatever.

Money is a problem because the government makes it so that the poor and powerless struggle to make any sort of money and the ones in power gain all the wealth. It's not that there isn't money to be made in Mexico, it's just that in the current state of the government, you have to either be a corrupt politician, a corrupt businessman/woman, or be linked with drug cartels to make it.

most people who lived on the racist 60's-70's on the usa, are already dying, so, it's not that much of a problem right now.

 

[Regulus Tera]

i googled "why mexicans don't like gringos" and the first result is very informative:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexicansDontLikeGringos.shtml

it's really hard of a concept to try to explain, but when you know that your country is full of shit, and that by being a burger flipper on yours nets you really really really good money, then people get resentfull

Just as an example: i'm a computer science engineer, and i'm in a well paid position, supposedly, and i make 3.70 dollars an hour. Hey, guess what, that's like half the minimum wage on your country. yup.

and because almost everything comes from china or the us, we gotta adjust to those price, but, you must also add the customs and extra taxes: arond 70% more ...

in perspective, xbox games come out at around 1300 pesos (around 110 bucks) and things like the xbox360 4gb is around 4500 (400 bucks).

so, we have to work double, to get the same things as you guys, for like 2 times the price. And that is just the tip of the iceberg ...

imagine if you will, that you tell someone that you will employ them for 5 bucks an hour. No school, no capacitation, no nothing, just work, and 5 bucks per hour.

Now, think of some dumbass who spent 24 years of his/her life on school, to earn less than some "mojado" that didn't study, and even has time and money to drink some "cervezas" at the end of the day, while another bunch can't ...

you see, in mexico, being ignorant gives you value, because if you aren't, then you might become a problem, and you can't even find a job. You're overcapacitated, and that means that you have to earn better money. But why pay if someone can do the same thing as you for a fraction of the money!?

i'm not exactly how to express it, but part of the problem is also the easy money, and what people are willing to do to get it.

'anyways, this thing i just typed is full of spelling errors, and i won't bother fixing them.

I can understand the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality, but what the fuck do skin and eye colour have to with anything?

dont forget a debbie downer and "the curse one" since you give Mexico's NT bad luck.

It's not my fault Cubo sucked shit at the World Cup!

 

[B!TCH]

I can understand the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality, but what the fuck does skin and eye colour have to with anything?

He's projecting his own insecurities.

Interesting thread to say the least.

 

[golem]

Its really really bad, like get the hell out as soon as you can bad. As I posted on another thread, I myself was kidnapped at gunpoint about 6 months ago, since I am a physician and was taken to a safe house to tend to a patient; I was unharmed, but I have known first hand of colleagues who have not been as lucky.

Wow that is insane..

 

[Log4Girlz]

GTFO. Seriously. Come to the USA.

 

[Lonely1]

if there was a civil war, the drug cartels would win.... and instead of paying politicians to run the country they would run it themselves.

say hello to a new military state run by drug dealers if that happens.

No. There's no unified 'narco front'. The 'war' is mostly different narco groups fighting each other. People who want to comment on this should at least get that. In fact, every time the Mexican government makes a successfully blow to the cartels, the violence just gets worst as splinter groups start to fight each other for resourses (market, smuggling routes and cover mostly).

61 so far according to the local news. All of us mexicans are living on a damn warzone, and it has hit harder here in Monterrey.

Well,I'm not.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Obama's plan of sending in more guns to the cartels isn't working?

 

[GaimeGuy]

Obama's plan of sending in more guns to the cartels isn't working?

GTFO with this shit.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

GTFO with this shit.

Well, it didn't.

 

[Lonely1]

Money is a problem because the government makes it so that the poor and powerless struggle to make any sort of money and the ones in power gain all the wealth. It's not that there isn't money to be made in Mexico, it's just that in the current state of the government, you have to either be a corrupt politician, a corrupt businessman/woman, or be linked with drug cartels to make it.

You give the government far too much credit. Really, if you guys want the country to improve we need to stop blaming the government for everything and start to take responsibility our own actions and their consequences.

 

[alterno69]

You give the government far too much credit. Really, if you guys want the country to improve we need to stop blaming the government for everything and start to take responsibility our own actions and their consequences.

We could start by not going to our local black markets to buy back up movies, software and games, many mexicans have done it at some point in their lifes. We whine about corrupt polititians but how many of us hasn't paid a traffic agent to avoid being fined after an infraction? We have all contributed to this situtation at some point in our lives sadly, now it out of control.

 

[jmdajr]

My home town of Nuevo Laredo is also a shit hole now. It's fucking depressing.

 

[kodecraft]

If by that you're referring to the Mexican military, they have, at least that I know of. A lot of soldiers from the Mexican army were dispatched to Chihuahua and Juarez that I am aware of. This was, however, a couple of years back. The result? Nothing really. The killings still continued, as did the drug trafficking. The saddest part is that the military is more than likely in it too. The level of corruption in Mexico is really, really astonishing. It goes all the way from local cops, state police, federal agents, army, politicians, everything.

This. Corruption all around, how do you defeat that?

 

[Fernando Rocker]

My home town of Nuevo Laredo is also a shit hole now. It's fucking depressing.

Nuevo Laredo here too.

 

[gutter_trash]

American apatite for drugs

NRA selling guns to the black-market to Mexico

where do cartels get their guns from?.... Americans

stop selling them guns

 

[ShadyMilkman]

An old WoW guildmate of mine lived in Mexico and would relay his stories regarding the violence there.

So terrible.

 

[alterno69]

American apatite for drugs

NRA selling guns to the black-market to Mexico

where do cartels get their guns from?.... Americans

stop selling them guns

The US is a big part of the corruption circle for sure, most of the weapons used by the drug cartels come from the US.

 

[Quixzlizx]

American apatite for drugs

NRA selling guns to the black-market to Mexico

where do cartels get their guns from?.... Americans

stop selling them guns

The NRA is a political organization/lobbying group. Do non-Americans have a view of the NRA like it's some shadowy omnipresent arms-dealing organization?

 

[RiggenBlaque]

I think it's so funny when people who speak English as a second language apologize for bad grammar, but write far better than 99.9% of the people on the internet and I would never guess it was their second language unless I was told.

 

[dave is ok]

Your police are corrupt and ineffective?

Blame the Americans for doing drugs!

American apatite for drugs

NRA selling guns to the black-market to Mexico

where do cartels get their guns from?.... Americans

stop selling them guns

Stop selling us drugs and we'll stop selling you guns, deal?

 

[Maximilian E.]

Mexico needs more BOPE aka tropa de elite aka elite squad

(its really sad the situation Mexico is in and has been for a while. La gente mexicana merece algo mejor. La única solución es de darle duro a los problemas y sin rendirse pero eso es mas fácil dicir que hacer)

 

[magicstop]

This is such a complex and ugly, ugly situation. I have nothing but sympathy for our southern Mexican neighbors, and anger and indignation that this situation is occurring.

In large part, I do blame the US's relationship with Mexico for these problems. I think the REAL problem is, as usual, poverty. Poverty leads to gang-activity (and the need for grassroots run organizations with local clout), to drug trade, to violence, etc. And part of the reason that Mexico is impoverished is because of the US's relationship to it. It disgusts me. We have this horrific and unfair idea that we can establish arbitrary political and military lines in the sand, and then arbitrarily enforce them.
Want a border? Fine, but that means no fucking trade across that border either. You simply can't sap a country of its resources, take advantage of it, and yet keep people locked up there and unable to get out. That's horseshit, but it's what the US is doing.

I just don't even know where to start with this terrible violence, though. If we were better neighbors, the US would be offering aid as Mexico sees fit, although with a corrupt government, it's hard to establish good lines of aid. SMH. I wish I could do more for the people of Mexico, especially the impoverished and those subjected to random violence. It's terrible.

 

[Zeke]

the main problem is that most mexicans have resentment for the americans, i mean, americans are:

-white
-tall
-colored eyes
-have good houses
-the vast majority don't have shitty jobs
-highways are awesome
-they have the dollar
-they not ugly
i could go on, but it's getting more and more as a bannable offense. And i'm a mexican living in mexico :S

Thats a lot of self hate, I feel sorry for you. And I'm an American of Mexican decent.

 

[Fernando Rocker]

I wonder if things were different if we the honest citizens were allowed to buy guns just like the Americans.

 

[magicstop]

I wonder if things were different if we the honest citizens were allowed to buy guns just like the Americans.

No no no, this thread is already teetering... Let's not go into guns vs anti-guns please. Gun threads, eagles into mordor, and c. hendricks vs the world threads are getting old!
It's a legit question, but it's been played out here.

 

[Huevos de Oro]

Corruption and impunity. As long as BOTH issues get properly adressed, there is little chance things will improve anytime soon.

Especially not when so many fucking politicians line up their fat pockets with drug money. Fuck them all, every single one of them is made of the same fucking material. Pieces of shit.

 

[bengraven]

I'm the most left wing guy you can meet, but I think America needs to step in soon. They're our NEIGHBOR and yet there seems to be more crime and corruption there than in Afghanistan.

 

[magicstop]

Corruption and impunity. As long as BOTH issues get properly adressed, there is little chance things will improve anytime soon.

Especially not when so many fucking politicians line up their fat pockets with drug money. Fuck them all, every single one of them is made of the same fucking material. Pieces of shit.

Adding poverty to the list (which is likely a result, in part, of corruption), I agree, so long as we acknowledge the corruption of the US gov't as well as the Mexican.

 

[Quixzlizx]

We have this horrific and unfair idea that we can establish arbitrary political and military lines in the sand, and then arbitrarily enforce them.
Want a border? Fine, but that means no fucking trade across that border either. You simply can't sap a country of its resources, take advantage of it, and yet keep people locked up there and unable to get out. That's horseshit, but it's what the US is doing.

What are you talking about? Maybe you should direct your anger at the Peace of Westphalia.

 

[magicstop]

Not sure why you're referencing a bunch of peace treaties from the mid-1600's, but while our relationship to Mexico is complex, it's also simple in some ways.
NAFTA and other trade setups effectively allow us to rob Mexico of a lot of its resource, to own people's land and means to life, and in impoverishes a lot of people in doing so. Look to a lot of the coffee growers, corn growers, etc. So while we own their land and their products, and they aren't left with enough to feed their families properly at the end of the day, we then CLOSE the same border to them, forcing them to stay put and suck it up.

 

[Quixzlizx]

Not sure why you're referencing a bunch of peace treaties from the mid-1600's

We have this horrific and unfair idea that we can establish arbitrary political and military lines in the sand, and then arbitrarily enforce them.

Feel free to root for a worldwide government, I guess.

 

[magicstop]

Feel free to root for a worldwide government, I guess.

You're missing my point entirely. We can't morally justify a system that exploits an entire nation of people, but that simultaneously locks them down for said exploitation. Something has to change.

 

[mikeybwright]

My girlfriend is Mexican, and we were thinking about going down to visit her grandparents in October. This thread talked me out of it, gonna try to get them to come up here now.

What a sad state of affairs.

 

[njean777]

maybe the US wouldnt "officially" let that happen, but look at Cuba. its not like we were able to stop that from happening.

but really, its already at a point where the US "should" be involved. Its not as bad as the Gaza Strip, but hearing about all these random drug cartel troops warring it out and taking more and more control of the government isn't very good.

How is it the U.S responsibility to be there?

 

[ghostofsparta]

NSFW (DECAPITATED BODY PICS)
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/01/acapulco-massacre-25-people-killed-15.html


When I lived in California, I used to go to Mexico monthly to party and hang out.
Even if I still lived near the border, you wouldn't catch me going down there anymore.

Only thing that will help is to legalize all drugs and remove all the profit for the cartels.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYY!

I'm going to visit Mexico in December for a month. Gulp.....

 

[magicstop]

How is it the U.S responsibility to be there?

I agree that it may not be. The idea that any nation is responsible for another is kinda weird.
BUT, there are some points to consider. A.) Help make a mess, help clean it up. B.) Good neighbors...
As a geographical neighbor and huge global force upon Mexico and its economy, government, etc., we probably DO have some responsibility. What it is, exactly, I don't know.

 

[Quixzlizx]

You're missing my point entirely. We can't morally justify a system that exploits an entire nation of people, but that simultaneously locks them down for said exploitation. Something has to change.

I think you're the one who's missing my point. While separate nation-states exist, there will be unequal economic relationships between them. Your complaining is about as useful as someone complaining that every person on earth doesn't make the same salary.

 

[Ooccoo]

Wasn't a police raid done in Mexico not so long ago? With a S.W.A.T.-like tactical unit and killed a lot of people. Maybe not the same country though. I think at this point the government should create a special army and invade all known locations where drug is being produced with the order to kill on sight. Whole country should go into martial law with help of NATO forces. It's that bad.

 

[magicstop]

I think you're the one who's missing my point. While separate nation-states exist, there will be unequal economic relationships between them. Your complaining is about as useful as someone complaining that every person on earth doesn't make the same salary.

You're downplaying exploitation as a matter of course. That's how jaded and unconcerned you are. Welcome to the majority of our nation, and welcome to being a large part of why the violence and poverty in Mexico exists and isn't going anywhere.

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