I NEED SCISSORS
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Not a Jellyfish said:
Have you not heard of the Nintendo Wii.
Once you dip your fingers into that pot of gold, it's difficult to dip them anywhere else.
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Microsoft: Natal wont hurt our core focus
- Thread starter Monty Mole
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Have you not heard of the Nintendo Wii.
Once you dip your fingers into that pot of gold, it's difficult to dip them anywhere else.
fortified_concept
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robjoh said:
It's not we're not allowed it's more like we can't. Utterly superficial party games are good for half an hour or just to have fun with a few friends for a while but they get old and boring fast.
I don't see how that gif is relevant tbh - E3 was like nine months ago and MS have said even the Natal at X10 was an old version. The only people who know how Natal operates at the moment are MS. I'd rather wait and see then cast judgement on this - I wrote off the Wii's new control and gaming years ago; but now I have a Wii and play on it happily and it manages to have core games just fine.nosf1234 said:Project Natal is meant to complement, not replace, the experiences on Xbox 360. Weve reached new heights in creating a more natural and responsive gaming and entertainment experience for people of all interests and skill levels, whilst maintaining our commitment to deliver quality core games that consistently exceed expectations.
That , you have.
GodfatherX
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All these posters talking about wiu core games from nintendo...yet my wii hasn't been turned on in over a year...
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
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GodfatherX said:
Wii Sports dude
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
I NEED SCISSORS said:
Yes I have heard of the Nintendo Wii but that is a completely different strategy than to what Microsoft is trying to do. It really is an unfair comparison to make, yes they are trying to tap into some of that market but they also know it is not their main market and audience.
Talamius said:
but that's exactly why they made the statement in the first place, because they know that the core will still butter their bread. they obviously weren't speaking from a hypothetical standpoint like, "what if, and hear me out, what if we actually did get the Wii's market? naturally we'd ignore it and focus on core games, right?" they know full well that there's no way to get enough of the Wii's market to ignore the core so they send the core a message of loyalty.
mentalfloss
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dragonfart28
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mentalfloss said:
YA RLY.
No, it`s clear this is just PR to help keep up with their new image. MS has always tried to capture the biggest and most casual audience. They just failed the first time around, so this is their big second (or third) chance.
Sony will be tooting the same horn as well, even though PS2 was the former casual jackpot.
timetokill
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Frank "Trashman" Reynolds said:
WOW :lol
I would've thought we'd be past this but I guess not.
Flachmatuch
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jaypah said:
MS started with the core because that's what they kind of understood and what was closer to their core competency (technology), and paid a *lot* to get where they are now. They might or might not be willing to pay enough to buy up part of the Wii market (like they did with Sony's), but this "loyalty" thing is a bit silly, it's all just talk, nothing else. MS (and every other company) could say this on Monday and then abandon core gamers on Tuesday. Point being, the statements in the OP basically have no information value whatsoever
...Natal has already hurt their core focus. Every dollar spent on it is a dollar taken away from what could have been core games. See the Xbox 2009 lineup for reference, the same year Natal was announced.
Whether that's a bad thing or not, who knows, but Euro Boss is off the mark, knows it, and is just covering his bases.
Whether that's a bad thing or not, who knows, but Euro Boss is off the mark, knows it, and is just covering his bases.
Flachmatuch said:MS started with the core because that's what they kind of understood and what was closer to their core competency (technology), and paid a *lot* to get where they are now. They might or might not be willing to pay enough to buy up part of the Wii market (like they did with Sony's), but this "loyalty" thing is a bit silly, it's all just talk, nothing else. MS (and every other company) could say this on Monday and then abandon core gamers on Tuesday. Point being, the statements in the OP basically have no information value whatsoever
....... i'm more than sure i said they wanted to "send a message of loyalty". i'm sure i also said that they were only sending that message because they know that they have to rely on the core because they will not be able to eat Nintendo's lunch. it's too late in the game for them to have the majority of their base be casuals so the core will still have to butter their bread and they know this so we get PR pieces like this. my other posts said exactly that. not sure what you're getting at.
InaudibleWhispa
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Yet Natal is coming out this year, and despite seeing not a single Natal launch title, it is one of, if not the best 360 year for core software. Their best selling games on the console this year even with Natal on the market will still be Halo Reach and the next Call of Duty.Leon said:
MightyHedgehog
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I think it's probably more difficult to grab the existing traditional, more hardcore gamer segment (several years into the lifespan of a system) from a more firmly casual platform than it is to try and broaden your appeal to casual gamers from a platform that started out appealing to hardcore. Of course, the big thing is how you paint and market your not-so-hardcore-focused 'casual' games to the existing audience and if that can also attract people from the outside of that group. The same obviously holds true for traditional 'gamer' games for a not-so-'gamer'-focused platform. The best way would be to sow the seeds early on of a range of both types of appeal...and not allow yourself to become too defined by one or the other.Monty Mole said:
MS will probably have an easier time convincing non-gamers, light/casual gamers, whatever to buy a system (at the low price) for some interesting and highly novel experiences that share some similarities with the Wii, but are clearly more broad in potential application due to the broader nature of the interface. (With Ninty capturing a lot of the outside group first and by a large margin, this dynamic is certain to be different this time, but not necessarily unworkable on some significant level.)
Ninty will always have a larger audience to immediately sell to and, at this point, that might include a wave of newer, more homegrown-on-the-Wii hardcore gamers in addition to the probably smaller, pre-Wii gamer group that was there from the beginning. (Remember, hardcore gamers mostly had to start playing games of some type to start...usually the type that aren't so veteran-focused.)
I think it's a mistake to think that there's a clear delineation that separates the game types from the audiences so perfectly. After all, you can be hardcore with the some of most casual-seeming of titles and the most hardcore-seeming of titles can greatly appeal to casuals. Clearly, there's an issue of association by popularity and marketing at work. (I really hate trying to figure out a satisfactory term or label for certain groups simplified for the ease of communication of the concepts. Also annoying is the tendency for people to think that all software titles, especially the popular ones, are one way or the other. Many of the top performers (Halo, COD, GTA, Mario, Zelda) are clearly masters of capturing a chunk of both and everything in between.)
I don't think those were locked in from the very beginning...that's just how they ended up through their dominance of the market. Past platforms usually grabbed the hardcore market first (because of the high price and limited and more focused selection of software) and scooped up casual players when the lower price points and broader software library started to aim toward them.
MikeE21286
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Monty Mole said:
Don't get it twisted.....Nintendo has had the core by their balls ever since Day 1. Nintendo is videogames to lots of people
sweetvar26
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sankt-Antonio said:
:lol
He said 360 has 5 years of life, doesn't mean that they won't release a new console before that. Look at PS2 right now, Sony knows that the PS2 has atleast 2 more years of life when PS3 was released which is the sole reason it is still in the market.
VGChampion
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That's obvious. I'm assuming Natal will have a little more support than Eye Toy has. After the hype I just don't see it being supported for many things.
BenjaminBirdie
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MS will never abandon the core because they can't afford to. You think new Natal users are going to buy Gold Accounts for multiplayer?
InaudibleWhispa
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Yeah, I can't see a new Xbox any later than 2012.sweetvar26 said:
Zoramon089
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Monty Mole said:
Do people actually believe this? Nintendo pushed LEGEND OF ZELDA to launch for the Wii! Within the first year we got an FE game, MP3 and SMG. Why do people keep posting crap like casuals came first? Nintendo always targeted both markets since the beginning
The fact that MS is premetive about this statement just makes me shake my head. The only people this statement is aimed at are the ones clamoring that Nintendo killed the market, Wii destroyed video games, I haven't touched my wii in years ect ect.
It's more of a one up statement taking the "nintendo left you we won't " mentality when really those consumers didn't like Nintendo before this gen. There are still millions of quieter consumers that don't see where these statements apply to the Wii especially when you enjoy a lot of the games on Nintendo consoles.
It's more of a one up statement taking the "nintendo left you we won't " mentality when really those consumers didn't like Nintendo before this gen. There are still millions of quieter consumers that don't see where these statements apply to the Wii especially when you enjoy a lot of the games on Nintendo consoles.
Talamius said:You're attempting to use sales numbers of the two most casualized shooters to make a point about the core market. Just thought I would let you know
Shark, jumped. Core now means casual. Wii is core system, confirmed.
http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/careerstats.aspx?player=Talamius 360
Neuromancer
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Some reassuring words from Microsoft, nice.
Lonely1 said:
This is bizarre. Core means two things, tops. Mostly it means the central, steady group, or "core" of your market. It can also mean "hardcore" but that term is malleable. Either way, FPS games are core.
Cadillac's core is old white people.
Subaru's core is younger, more outdoorsy drivers.
Ferrari's core is wealthy car enthusiasts.
End of story.
Earl Cazone
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i still look forward to the natal implementation of controller based games
OuterWorldVoice said:
You completely butchered the link. Let me help ya, internet detective:
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=Talamius_360
Actually, the fact that I played very little H3, comparatively (tried it, too similar to the previous, never touched it again) plays right into my theory that the game is far more casual than core. Unless you're seriously going to argue there are more players at max rank than there are people who tried it a time or two and put it down.
Hari Seldon
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It is kind of a double edged sword. Unless they put a core game on it, I am not going to buy it. But if they do put a core game on it, core gamers are going to be pissed lol.