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Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far
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Hey, Microsoft! I went from loyal customer to PS4 preorder in the time it took for your terrible PR people to say, "TV, TV, TV!"
I am relishing the thought of not supporting you in the coming gen... Because I know you'll be back with your DRM at some point if we let you.
Oh! You'll also be happy to know that I've switched to buying multiplats on PS3.
Great work! Welcome to next gen!
I am relishing the thought of not supporting you in the coming gen... Because I know you'll be back with your DRM at some point if we let you.
Oh! You'll also be happy to know that I've switched to buying multiplats on PS3.
Great work! Welcome to next gen!
sechsterangriff
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Had the original plan gone forward, make no mistake, it would have been the worst thing to happen the the industry. It's no wonder people have very strong feelings about it.
Yeah, I still remember Pachter saying "no console company would do that (kill used games). Nobody is that greedy or that stupid." Don't underestimate MS greed, mr Pachter.
SaggyMonkey
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Sounds good. I'll buy two Xbox Ones now.
Uno Venova
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The original plan would have been the worst thing to ever happen to gaming.
fi3rypho3nix
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A Xbox thread thread title fitting for Neogaf. Fanboyism is fucking this forum up for those that wish to read about the Xbox.
RedNumberFive
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Normally I'd agree, but the preorder numbers back this up.
If they keep it up,plus show some evidence that they don't plan to u-turn again, then that is good.
Trouble is, it'll take time to undo that. So I hope they are patient. The worst part for me is first party support. Even if they do plan to support Xbox one for 5-6 years, we won't really know until 5 years have passed. Until then we can only go on previous experience which is MS backing off pretty early
Who is this GAF poster? Seems to be pretty inaccurate about things if your post is ture.
Good thing GAF is not a poster but a mass of individuals each with their own competing perspectives on various subjects, some which are right, some which are wrong.
sechsterangriff said:
Yeah, it would have been... if it was successful. But given how things went, it was clear if they released the system as-was, it would have been one of the most legendary flops in the industry's history. So I think consumers wouldn't have allowed it to have long lasting impact.
fi3rypho3nix
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I do not agree. See there; an opinion just like yours.
Your thread whining is getting out of control, man. There's a reason more people are looking favorably at Sony this go round.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
What preorder numbers? Its sold out everywhere.
BRocknRolla
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It's funny how my attitude toward MS has changed so much over the years. I started with a PS3 this last gen, but after so many games came out with performances problems compared to their 360 counterpart, I finally relented. I picked up my 360, played tons of games on it, payed for Gold. Generally speaking, it seemed great.
But the years dragged on and I watched MS exclusives pump out game after game from the same franchise. I saw the dashboard updated over and over, seemingly getting a little worse each time. I watched my games relegated to only a small portion of the screen and ads come into full force for a service I was paying for. I watched Sony add tons of games to PS+, and MS respond with nothing. I bought into the lie that was Kinect and felt extremely burned. I watched MS seemingly abandon game development on the console. And now, when I load a game into my 360, as I waiting forever for it to load the dashboard, as I see the ads load in, as I as the Kinect collecting dust in front of my tv, I have a palpable feeling of animosity toward MS.
And all that wouldn't have mattered if MS had showed up and presented me with a powerful games-focused box. But they didn't. They showed an "all-in-one" media box, with a focus on Kinect integration, that also plays game, and tried to claim a bunch of awful policies were the future we should all want and accept. Hyrb can pedal the MS message all he wants, but MS has played their hand, and now they have to deal with the consequences. At least for me, I feel like the company has mistreated my game experience and my consumer experience for years, and nothing they can do over the next few months can change that. Sony is getting my money. Time will tell if MS turns their focus in the right direction, but Hyrb's words don't mean a thing.
But the years dragged on and I watched MS exclusives pump out game after game from the same franchise. I saw the dashboard updated over and over, seemingly getting a little worse each time. I watched my games relegated to only a small portion of the screen and ads come into full force for a service I was paying for. I watched Sony add tons of games to PS+, and MS respond with nothing. I bought into the lie that was Kinect and felt extremely burned. I watched MS seemingly abandon game development on the console. And now, when I load a game into my 360, as I waiting forever for it to load the dashboard, as I see the ads load in, as I as the Kinect collecting dust in front of my tv, I have a palpable feeling of animosity toward MS.
And all that wouldn't have mattered if MS had showed up and presented me with a powerful games-focused box. But they didn't. They showed an "all-in-one" media box, with a focus on Kinect integration, that also plays game, and tried to claim a bunch of awful policies were the future we should all want and accept. Hyrb can pedal the MS message all he wants, but MS has played their hand, and now they have to deal with the consequences. At least for me, I feel like the company has mistreated my game experience and my consumer experience for years, and nothing they can do over the next few months can change that. Sony is getting my money. Time will tell if MS turns their focus in the right direction, but Hyrb's words don't mean a thing.
Uno Venova
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What's your point? I never implied my opinion was absolute.
fi3rypho3nix
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So you are MS bashing in both threads?
What? Link?
I can think of worse, personally for me. Nintendo being the only major player in video games would have been worse. We would continously have underpowered hardware and online infrastructure would be nothing like we know today.
Krusenstern
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Despising always-online checks and used game blocks has nothing to do with fanboyism. You sound like those people in the youtube comment section who accuse everyone who doesn't like the Xbone of being a fanboy.
I'm glad this DRM scheme didn't become reality.
GrumpyOutlander
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Why do people say it was "the biggest screw job in the industry's history"? They announced features that were actually different than the current generation. They were not for everyone, but a lot of people are prepared to be always online. The digital sharing was an amazing feature, and I hope it comes back eventually.
Five years from now I bet there will be a pretty big demand for Microsoft to bring back the always online features.
Trade them in once, truly a blessing.
So, you're basically saying: I only buy new titles at retail.
Good for you, you can get a disc and keep your shit. Too bad for you everyone else wanted to trade or buy used titles since they want a "cheap price" and can "shop around without being forced to buy DD only"/"one-used disc."
Well, by that logic, you are GAF, so your post has a 99.%5 chance to be wrong.
Mass Effect
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I really do wish they would have gone through with their plans. I wanted to see what would have happened.
Well, good luck regaining trust and rebuilding the bridges that you just burned with consumers.
I'll go further and say they need to lose the generation and all their market share for trying to push their draconian anti-consumer policies, that will set an example and be a harsh reminder to anyone (Sony and Nintendo included) to not fuck with consumer rights.
I'll go further and say they need to lose the generation and all their market share for trying to push their draconian anti-consumer policies, that will set an example and be a harsh reminder to anyone (Sony and Nintendo included) to not fuck with consumer rights.
Killing_Joke
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I'll wait 2 years before i think about it. I get it, you want to sell your product so you adapted. But fuck off with this "we know what you want" nonsense. You waited just a bit too late on your 180 to forgive you so quick. And your paywall sucks and makes no sense.
Plus the fact they still think DRM is the future and can easily be turned on makes me hesitant. They even tried to justify their stance by comparing it to iOS and Steam.
Your "vision" sucked ass. There was no mistranslation. Everything was loud and clear. You wanted to control what we did with our discs and you wanted to have a 24hr babysitter to check up on us. Then you fool people with your "family share" bullshit. Just thinking about all this stuff pisses me off. lol
But it's over and done with. They seem to be going in a favorable direction for now. If everything is peachy in a few years i'll def pick one up for the exclusives.
Plus the fact they still think DRM is the future and can easily be turned on makes me hesitant. They even tried to justify their stance by comparing it to iOS and Steam.
Your "vision" sucked ass. There was no mistranslation. Everything was loud and clear. You wanted to control what we did with our discs and you wanted to have a 24hr babysitter to check up on us. Then you fool people with your "family share" bullshit. Just thinking about all this stuff pisses me off. lol
But it's over and done with. They seem to be going in a favorable direction for now. If everything is peachy in a few years i'll def pick one up for the exclusives.
Uno Venova
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I think an argument can absolutely be made for it being the worst thing to ever happen, taking away so many consumer rights in one swoop. I don't think it's a "need to portray" it as such, it's just how some people actually feel.
Post-Mattrick Xbox is getting back on track. It's a shame he was able to do so much damage with prioritizing Kinect over core game development for so long and with the Xbox One policies.
I think it will take a few years to win back some of the core, but in the end MS will be better for it. I'd like to see them in survival mode with all those resources.
I think it will take a few years to win back some of the core, but in the end MS will be better for it. I'd like to see them in survival mode with all those resources.
Agreed. It is getting fucking annoying.
I pretty much try to avoid threads like this, console warz is pretty much why I stopped posting on the gaming side as much.
To be fair, there's a difference between looking favorably at Sony and every MS thread on the forum turning to shit inside 10 posts.
GenericUser
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These goddamn liars.
Yeah, If someone wants to screw you, he doesnt tell you in advance what he is going to do.
People were informed, they dont like it? Then they dont buy it.
It's not like there wasn't an alternative, We have ps4-wiiu and pc.
If people really didnt want those features, then the console would have tanked hard.
Numbers? where? link pls.
It's just typical persecution complex. And it's amazing how these people love to throw the fanboy word around about OTHER people. It's like "look inward, bro. Mirror's exist for a reason."
Regardless, as you say, Microsoft EARNED the negative feedback of gamers. They fucking deserved every last shred of it. And it's preposterous to even suggest otherwise. They spent over a month straight literally lying and deceiving about every single feature about the Xbox One, before they went to E3 and tried to cow from the media and when they were interviewed were combatant and aggressive about gamers and their absurd anti-consumer system. They sold us a system with a mass of benefits 95% of which benefited only developers, publishers and Microsoft - and gamers were not going to receive any sort of comparable benefit. Then they spent the beginning of July trying to convince people that they really have amazing benefits (lol family share plan), and nobody believed them because most people aren't gullible fucks.
Then they changed the 180s, but refused for a little bit to acknowledge that it was the thing they were offering that was the problem, not JUST the messaging. And still they say this, which is why some people have difficulty swallowing the apology. I may think this apology is a good thing for Microsoft, but I understand people's consternation with them. Since January of this year when accurate leaks started coming out, it was virtually a how-to on how to fuck gamers, on each and every leak. So of course people weren't going to put up with it.
Some people actually speak up for their OWN best interest, not the best interest of giant faceless corporations.
AstroNut325
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They sold out??? Phil Spencer was saying you'll find consoles readily available on launch day in stores without preorders.
Nevada peeps represent
MS biggest advantage, is they were not stubborn enough to release the console in said state. GAF might not forget, but I think the mainstream will once people actually get their hands on the thing.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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You learn to ignore it or you walk away, there's not much else you can do since people who could do something about it are obviously fine with it. I agree that GAF as a community has been sinking ever so deeper, but on the other hand, it's not like I know of a better alternative.
RedNumberFive
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Except when it isn't. When they finally announced the date they exclaimed it was sold out, oh but by the way, we still have some available for preorder.
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Official Xbox PR from 3 days ago...
As a result of this incredible consumer demand and the development progress on Xbox One, I am thrilled to share that today we are making available a limited number of additional Xbox One Day One consoles for pre-order. We have coordinated with our retail partners to make it easy for you to reserve your Xbox One today.
Came here for this.
This is potentially a big problem. If lots of early adopters favour PS4 and influence their peer groups to buy as well, that could create momentum that is very bad for MS. if Multiplatform games are generally better, and online features etc are on par, it reduces any reason to buy back into the MS ecosystem and could see a mass switch across from MS to Sony.
I quite like the media aspects of the Xbox, but I wish they'd just made a google TV style passthrough box without the gaming part, at a much more mass market price, and then a classic gaming box separately. As it is, it's too expensive for a media box, and not powerful or focused enough for a gaming box. Classic 'fall between two stools' product.
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