With 7 you have better control over preventing it. With Windows 10 the verdict is still pending.
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Microsoft tricks people into installing Windows 10 when clicking red X
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With 7 you have better control over preventing it. With Windows 10 the verdict is still pending.
TheLaughingStock
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Hopefully, they trip up and step right into a big time lawsuit. Giving away your product for free and using these tactics to pad your install base #s isn't impressive.
I'm not sure why, but the outrage with the red x is a bit funny.
No, people have paid for their Windows licenses, it's their choice whether they want to upgrade or not.
You don't get to backport software-as-a-service into my old, paid-for software without my express permission.
ThoseDeafMutes
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peaceiscloser
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I see tons of people running Windows 8 on their crappy laptops at my college, and they're clearly not the types of people who have a real need staying with it. The fact that the Windows 10 upgrade wave hasn't hit them yet is the most surprising thing.
There's nothing wrong with the popup itself and the way the x-button behaves.
The issue is, that Windows 10 is a "recommended update" to older Windows versions. For a lot of people that means that it updates automatically. For enterprise and advanced users, that's no big deal, since they can easily disable automatic installation of "recommended updates" und Microsoft announced months ago, that Windows 10 would be a recommended update at some point. Of course most people are unaware of this and will inevitable receive an update they did not expect.
So the real question is, whether making Windows 10 a "recommended update" was the right thing to do or not. With more than a billion users, that's not a trivial choice. You can't make the best choice for every user.
The vast majority have no clue about OS upgrades and wouldn't dare to upgrade their OS. There's a strong status quo bias. However, a lot of those users would profit from getting the new version for free without requiring any technical expertise. If you went to some of these users and asked them if they'd want the new version without any costs or risks, then most probably would agree. So for millions and millions of people, making the update "recommended" was probably a great choice.
The issue is, that Windows 10 is a "recommended update" to older Windows versions. For a lot of people that means that it updates automatically. For enterprise and advanced users, that's no big deal, since they can easily disable automatic installation of "recommended updates" und Microsoft announced months ago, that Windows 10 would be a recommended update at some point. Of course most people are unaware of this and will inevitable receive an update they did not expect.
So the real question is, whether making Windows 10 a "recommended update" was the right thing to do or not. With more than a billion users, that's not a trivial choice. You can't make the best choice for every user.
The vast majority have no clue about OS upgrades and wouldn't dare to upgrade their OS. There's a strong status quo bias. However, a lot of those users would profit from getting the new version for free without requiring any technical expertise. If you went to some of these users and asked them if they'd want the new version without any costs or risks, then most probably would agree. So for millions and millions of people, making the update "recommended" was probably a great choice.
xrnzaaas
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It's scandalous in how shitty ways Microsoft is forcing this upgrade and I say this as a willing W10 user. People shouldn't be tricked and forced to change a supported and fully functional OS especially since it can cause problems with older drivers and apps (not to mention losing more of their privacy thanks to W10 built-in policies). Besides a clean install is always the only way to go imo.
It says right on that pop up that it's schedule the upgrade, and that if you express no preference it'll go ahead and upgrade.
It does the same thing with the windows updates pop ups,
"We're going to restart for updates at 10pm, if you want to postpone click here"
and if you close it it just restarts at that time anyway.
It does the same thing with the windows updates pop ups,
"We're going to restart for updates at 10pm, if you want to postpone click here"
and if you close it it just restarts at that time anyway.
True story.
If X means dismiss, then where's the option to say no? I can't see one on that screenshot.
It says that it's scheduled to upgrade at this time, and you can click here to change the time or cancel it.
not psycho
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Microsoft's real mistake was ever giving users of the Windows service any control over updates.
Hopefully in the future updates with the significance of Windows 10 will be installed automatically with no need for tricks, because all service users will have agreed that Microsoft can install anything.
Hopefully in the future updates with the significance of Windows 10 will be installed automatically with no need for tricks, because all service users will have agreed that Microsoft can install anything.
Jon Carter
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I guess I need to slap the IT guys then, because that feature was on the XP and 7 computers and when they upgraded me to 10, I asked them if they could enable the feature and the only thing the guy did was showing me the Shift thing, even when I pointed out it's pretty fucking annoying to have to do that and remove the quotes considering we're using that all the time and it would be nice to just have it the same as it's always been. I'd install it myself but I need an administrator (meaning IT).
Thanks for pointing that out. 10 is all good then.
Is this sarcasm?
Marky Mark
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Has this been happening for a while or was there some other way they were tricking people before? Because a few months back I woke my computer to find it had Win10 even though i religiously declined every time it asked. By that time I just succumbed and figured 'oh well, you got me'
kruis
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Where is this "Windows 10 is so much faster" coming from? I run Windows 10 on my work PC. I didn't notice any speed increase whatsoever. In fact, I didn't notice any reason to upgrade my home PC that's still running Windows 8.1 (with a classic start menu). I'll probably upgrade when I assemble a new PC this summer, but at the moment I'm in no hurry to do so.It's nice that the OS I'm using now will stay exactly the same. Once you're on Windows 10, you'll have no choice in the matter. If MS begins to turn the complete OS/UI into some UWP/WinRT monstrosity, you'll have to follow the pied piper.
undu
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In light of the Windows 10 glaring issues (one of the main ones being its update manager behaviour), my guess is that they're being paid or they're deeply affected by the propaganda Microsoft spews.
Spiritwalker
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Windows 10 is fine, but they should stop forcing it on people.
Damon Bennet
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Windows 8.1 is the best windows at the moment. But ten is still great, much better than 7.
It's a tiny one-word link under the giant date. Pressing literally anything else on that screen means "go ahead and upgrade me."
astroturfing
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i paid for Windows 7, can i use Windows 7 please?
Stilton Disco
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Blidge! I mean I really like W10, and have upgraded all my tech to it, but this is really just unacceptabley underhanded arseholery on the part of MS.
Let the consumer easily choose what they want, damn it!
Let the consumer easily choose what they want, damn it!
only if you get a permit for holding back progress for the rest of the world you neo-amish monster.
you are making the rest of our systems insecure.
Even if you're okay with the new OS, what happens when the next "recommended upgrade" is something you don't agree with?
MS should be more respectful towards their customers. Their business model should serve them, but currently they pretty much just strong-arm users to serve their new business model. Let's be very clear, there isn't something like a free lunch or OS upgrade, you* ARE the product after the upgrade.
*you as in the people who don't disable the data mining or don't avoid the MS "iTunes" App Store
MS should be more respectful towards their customers. Their business model should serve them, but currently they pretty much just strong-arm users to serve their new business model. Let's be very clear, there isn't something like a free lunch or OS upgrade, you* ARE the product after the upgrade.
*you as in the people who don't disable the data mining or don't avoid the MS "iTunes" App Store
All the Window 10 shrill are like;
Just because you caved in and accepted the update doesn't mean that we should have too and quite frankly you are sending the wrong message as you're saying that it's okay for Microsoft to be shady and aggressive with their force upgrade tactics.
Yeah no, Microsoft has been shady from the start what with tricking people by putting the Window 10 launcher as a recommend update when it should be optional and despite me uninstalling it and make every attempt to disable it Microsoft continue force it on me wasting 3GB on my hard drive and causing my computer to slow down.
I do not want Window 10 as I prefer Window 7 and after using 10 on my Dad's work laptop I feel that I am making the right choice.
Just because you caved in and accepted the update doesn't mean that we should have too and quite frankly you are sending the wrong message as you're saying that it's okay for Microsoft to be shady and aggressive with their force upgrade tactics.
Yeah no, Microsoft has been shady from the start what with tricking people by putting the Window 10 launcher as a recommend update when it should be optional and despite me uninstalling it and make every attempt to disable it Microsoft continue force it on me wasting 3GB on my hard drive and causing my computer to slow down.
I do not want Window 10 as I prefer Window 7 and after using 10 on my Dad's work laptop I feel that I am making the right choice.
If most consumers actually want the free upgrade, but wouldn't dare initiate an OS upgrade themselves, then wouldn't an 'intelligent default', that assumes most people want it, make sense?
For the people who don't want it, there's still a way to cancel the update, disable the recommended updates, revert back to their previous version...
DasPenguin
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Didn't we just discuss this for ten pages on the game forum? It's ridiculous that some people a) can't read or b) don't understand that some people do other things with their computers and not only play games. Tell me again, why would someone update their computer when it hampers the tools they need for work?
And I don't know why I even bother at this point. This same thing was explained a million times over in the earlier thread, but the same stupid arguments show up on every page time after time.
I think 10 is the perfect balance between 7 and 8. 8 is good, but the start screen still annoys the hell outta me. I use it for work (can't upgrade to 10 yet) and try to never use the start screen. I never used it on 7 either, but I find myself really liking the tiles in 10. It's useful just like it was on Windows Phone. I'm using the start screen more then I ever have.
michaelius
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They also have no reason to upgrade since only good thing in windows 10 is DX12 which hardly matters for laptops
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Sorry, but that guys attitude towards Windows 10 and anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Microsoft is not convincing me he does not have an agenda.
I've read a few of his articles on the subject and they all have the same smug condescending tone.
And if you actually read the article he does conclude:-
ZDNet author said:
Ignoring the whole premise of the analysis, flawed methology or not, was to see if all the telemetry in windows 10 can be turned off. It can't and that is ultimately a cause for concern.
Oh get lost. I suppose not buying the latest and greatest graphics card every year means I'm holding you back too?
I bet you most of the people who are making thoughtless comments like "just upgrade already" "it's the best OS yet" actually have no idea and/or don't work in the IT industry.
Just because you upgraded or fresh installed one time doesn't make it great for everyone.
If you work in IT you already know the issues it brings and you wouldn't be saying this.
Also, can you even use your pre-existing 7/8 license in a dual boot with an upgraded 10 or does it invalidate the other? I don't even want to try for giggles because it means wasting my time. 10 won't run a lot of things for me as it won't a lot of customers bespoke software/hardware, or rarely used software.
Tons of businesses still rely on older operating systems too; imagine the hassle of upgrading hundreds of users in a business environment with the issues it would bring with certain software and/or drivers. There's a reason.
People jumping aboard at the first sign like first adopters, great thanks for testing for me; you've all shown me why I'm not following for now, the amount of customers we get with win10 issues every single working day is great for business though. So Microsoft, keep messing up because it's making us money.
Most common is software not working/not being supports, anti-virus being completely nuked and wireless drivers that were working on win10 having an automatic update to a version that does not work. Fucking stupidity of the highest order.
There was even a time disabling driver updates wouldn't actually work either, but that's fixed. At least last I knew.
To put this into perspective right now, I've had more customers with win10 issues than there are posts in this thread so far.
Just because you upgraded or fresh installed one time doesn't make it great for everyone.
If you work in IT you already know the issues it brings and you wouldn't be saying this.
Also, can you even use your pre-existing 7/8 license in a dual boot with an upgraded 10 or does it invalidate the other? I don't even want to try for giggles because it means wasting my time. 10 won't run a lot of things for me as it won't a lot of customers bespoke software/hardware, or rarely used software.
Tons of businesses still rely on older operating systems too; imagine the hassle of upgrading hundreds of users in a business environment with the issues it would bring with certain software and/or drivers. There's a reason.
People jumping aboard at the first sign like first adopters, great thanks for testing for me; you've all shown me why I'm not following for now, the amount of customers we get with win10 issues every single working day is great for business though. So Microsoft, keep messing up because it's making us money.
Most common is software not working/not being supports, anti-virus being completely nuked and wireless drivers that were working on win10 having an automatic update to a version that does not work. Fucking stupidity of the highest order.
There was even a time disabling driver updates wouldn't actually work either, but that's fixed. At least last I knew.
To put this into perspective right now, I've had more customers with win10 issues than there are posts in this thread so far.
SneakyStephan
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Can people stop with the 'you should get on windows 10 ' crap?
If someone doesn't want it they don't want it. The whole idea of OS as a service is pure cancer as it's open to endless abuse.
If someone doesn't want it they don't want it. The whole idea of OS as a service is pure cancer as it's open to endless abuse.
Well, yeah, if you work in IT it's your job to make sure the upgrade works with all of your programs. That's with any upgrade for any OS or Application. But if you have a group policy on AD you won't get the upgrade. Except for Macs and users were upgrading to el capitan and it killed Centrify. That was a hassle, but we figured it out.
SMH at the number of people saying there are illegitimate reasons to not upgrade. If I want to not upgrade because I want to keep my Frogger emulator going without saving to keep my high score, that's my prerogative as a user.
Personally, I do scientific calculations that mean I have to leave my computer idling for as much as a week. I've lost a half week of work because of automatic updates before, and I'd be furious if Windows updated without my permission.
There are dependencies in the software I use that mean that I have to use Windows 8.1 (Programs assume bugs are there for packages that aren't supported in 10).
Personally, I do scientific calculations that mean I have to leave my computer idling for as much as a week. I've lost a half week of work because of automatic updates before, and I'd be furious if Windows updated without my permission.
There are dependencies in the software I use that mean that I have to use Windows 8.1 (Programs assume bugs are there for packages that aren't supported in 10).
DasPenguin
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Just amazing that this was the first post after mine. Bravo, sir.
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MaybeBurger
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Windows 7/8 people are now getting this popup informing you of a pending Windows 10 upgrade.
A lot of people don't thoroughly read the popup and assume clicking the red X will cancel the upgrade. However, it only closes the popup, and will go ahead and install Windows 10 while you're sleeping.
So a lot of people are waking up to a new OS they didn't authorize.
The only way to actually cancel the upgrade is by clicking the tiny one-word link under the huge date. Clicking anything else means "go ahead and upgrade me."
Microsoft makes final, aggressive Windows 10 upgrade push
PSA: Closing the "Upgrade to Windows 10" box now counts as ACCEPTING the update, which will automatically occur 15 minutes after logging in unless canceled
this is some class action shit that I see unfolding for MS.
CharmingCharlie
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Actually it's Microsofts attitude that is making everyone's systems insecure. I used to regularly check for updates with Windows 7 every Sunday. However since this Win 10 horse shit I haven't checked for any Windows 7 updates because I do not want Win 10 trojan horsed onto my fucking PC.
I am fine with Windows 7. I do not want Windows 10 on this PC. The PC I am currently using is reaching the end of it's life. Sometime next year I will be building myself a new PC and then I will look into whether I want to use Windows 10.
Personally I cannot wait till the 29th July and the "free" update ends. Maybe just maybe I can then get back to applying actually Windows 7 updates without fear of Microsofts Trojan horses.
mcz117chief
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I'm still waiting for Microsoft to offer me the upgrade 
Since this whole upgrade thing started I didn't get a single notification or anything. Is it free only in the United States?
Since this whole upgrade thing started I didn't get a single notification or anything. Is it free only in the United States?
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