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Miyamoto checks out the oculus rift

Fuck.... That is embarrassing. I guess if anything highlight what Miyamoto is really like, that was it. I guess he is definitely a traditional, and "quite" typical, a strict Japanese boss. Definitely, if you are Japanese, don't slack nor forget the minor details if ever you work for him for he will blatantly let you know about them.

Bowing is extremely common in Japan. This is more akin to reminding someone to smile here.
 
Yup. Not sure if he's translating Miyamoto's reactions or if those were his own that time.
This post deserves more recognition.
That was me. It was the most crushing moment of my life.
What were you talking about before he gave you his business card? Was it in any way business related? (ie. did he want you to "keep in touch"?)


I wonder if he even knew that VR was a thing again before he sat down with that.
Nintendo people are usually seriously out of touch with what's going on in games outside their walls.
^This is one of the dumbest posts I've read here in a long time.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=835814
Who knew, the pricey Wii U was actually Nintendo's attempt to keep the move towards VR affordable.
No big publisher is betting everything on VR, all of them are keeping other options open. But it really is quite shocking how people see no connection between VR and: accelerometer/gyro controls, balance\weight sensing, pointer tracking, split controllers, super low latency wireless video transmission to a personal screen, separate images for the left and right eyes, the Virtual Boy(!!), etc..
I can assure you the Gamepad isn't in the same universe as the OR.
*facepalm
 
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His fist name Hubert.... Though I knew his last name was a reference to the guy.
 
I really hope Nintendo jumps in to VR with their next gen. I think they would have a fresh perspective, and it's clearly going to be big for entertainment. Imagine F-Zero, Pilotwings, Metroid Prime, in VR. It could be totally awesome.
 
To give that context, the guy playing was incredibly nervous about being on stage. His hands were shaking. I doubt Miyamoto was being ultra strict with him and was just trying to give him a tip on proper stage etiquette.

Yeah, he was visibly nervous. Miyamoto was trying to help him out.
 
They're comparable, although each is lacking an important aspect of immersion. With the gamepad you see the world through a window, like with previous TVs. With the OR you see something that you aren't actually doing. Both are obstacles to full immersion.

The Wii U is also much less expensive than a PC and OR. Price always has held back this kind of tech, OR and Morpheus seem to be able to finally make the jump. But only consoles already have the controls for VR in place.

I'm also sure the follow up to Wii U will be the N64 to Morpheus' PS1.

As someone who has used the OR this is just plain nonsense. The gamepad is a tablet cobtroller. It does not have anywhere near the universal applications of OR, and has not drawn the type of interest from mega tech companies like the OR has because of that. They are not at all comparable.
 
Yeah, he was visibly nervous. Miyamoto was trying to help him out.

Could be. Well, I think what you guys said makes sense so I'll give Miyamoto the benefit of the doubt, especially when that pic can be read in many ways (for those who didn't read my previous comment, please don't think I' implied that Miyamoto is mean, I said before that backstage he could be strict boss).
 
Lol, just remembered that story of a gaffer how Miyamoto happily gave him his business card with his email without thinking. Then a Nintendo rep asked it back after Miyamoto had gone.

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i bet he's a strict guy.

Wow, behind the curtains this Miyamoto knows how to get it done. Would definitely be fascinating to know how it is to work for him. I have heard stories here and there about Miyamoto outright saying an idea someone suggested is garbage. This gif definitely makes it seem probable.

EDIT: To those saying he is helping him out, maybe, but watch that minor pause while he is amazed at the guy hasn't bowed yet then the terse hand down movement to tell him to do so. Definitely interesting.
 
Given how profound an experience VR apparently is for nearly everyone who tries it, and the extent to which Miyamoto's creativity is driven and inspired by new hardware possibilities, I'm pretty sure Nintendo will be giving VR some serious consideration.

But I could also see them being resistant to the idea due to both their tendency to avoid early adoption of new tech (see HDTV and online gaming) and because of how contrary it seems to their preferred image of gaming as a vehicle for actual social interaction among a room full of people.
 
Given how profound an experience VR apparently is for nearly everyone who tries it, and the extent to which Miyamoto's creativity is driven and inspired by new hardware possibilities, I'm pretty sure Nintendo will be giving VR some serious consideration.

But I could also see them being resistant to the idea due to both their tendency to avoid early adoption of new tech (see HDTV and online gaming) and because of how contrary it seems to their preferred image of gaming as a vehicle for actual social interaction among a room full of people.

The other thing is that VR already requires some serious hardware, and the requirements will only increase as the headsets improve. That's basically the opposite of where Nintendo has been over the last decade.
 
Bill Trinen is definitely Denholm Elliott's secret son
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omg

I knew he looked familiar!

Given how profound an experience VR apparently is for nearly everyone who tries it, and the extent to which Miyamoto's creativity is driven and inspired by new hardware possibilities, I'm pretty sure Nintendo will be giving VR some serious consideration.

But I could also see them being resistant to the idea due to both their tendency to avoid early adoption of new tech (see HDTV and online gaming) and because of how contrary it seems to their preferred image of gaming as a vehicle for actual social interaction among a room full of people.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Nintendo has been keeping an eye on VR for a very long time, they created the Virtual Boy after all.

I really wish I could find that interview that mentioned how Nintendo's hardware division is doing crazy experiments all the time. It mentioned stuff like some mirror gadget to have multiplayer without split screen, but how it didn't work.
 
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i bet he's a strict guy.

i kind of understand the sort of boss he would be. i'm fairly certain a couple of mine are close to him in terms of demeanor. they're great at their jobs though.

I totally understand because that is *exactly* how my wife is. And truth be told people like that are backed up by, what we call, Total Awesome. It may be strict, but it it ultimately beneficial to everyone. Even that fellow who was instructed to bow will remember that and be thankful for it.

Edit: Training.
 

JC is in the back of the OR pic as well. Is he part of Shiggys E3 entourage?

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i bet he's a strict guy.

"Thank you, thank you. Th- what the fuck are you doing? Bow DOWN. Thank you!"

You can really see his amazement at this younger dev not following etiquette/being humble. Bill has been with Miyamoto for a while and instinctively bowed at the first sight of hand motion. He even looks at Miyamoto for a while but the command was not meant for him.

I laughed quite a lot at this gif.
 
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i bet he's a strict guy.

I don't know if it is intentional or not but Bill's actions are some next level teamwork right there. He waves just as Miyamoto does his gesture, which likely took some of the audience focus and possibly had them consider that Miyamoto was waving as well. Then he bows his head.

Oh, this topic is about Miyamoto testing out the Oculus Rift. Of course he is going to. The point of these trade shows is to openly engage in corporate espionage. You either report back to the team that you need to step it up or laugh in the lunch room about how far off course your competitors are.
 
This is a stupid discussion.

People invent stuff all the time, who invented the cell phone? But, but... it changed the world. Who invented the iPod? It wasn't Steve Jobs. Who invented the color TV? Hell, who invented the TV?

I rest my case.


People get to be known and recognized need to have two things going for them:

1. Keep being influential - Miyamoto is not known for having done Donkey Kong 1981 and packed up shop, no, he's influential because he's doing games until now and never dropped hugely when it comes to quality. Dude's been on a streak for 35 years, he's no fluke, and he worked damn hard for it. Like they said of James Brown Miyamoto might be the the hardest working man in the gaming business (unlike John Romero), he delves with every part of the product, software and all it's intrincacies, hardware, marketing... Nothing is really out of his turf, when it comes to gaming he's the full package, and not a lot of people can boast they're the full package, hence there are not a whole lot of Miyamotos, there can't be even if we looked outside of gaming which is why one usually says Miyamoto is like Miyazaki of Gaming, Steven Spielberg of gaming, Walt Disney of gaming. Because he really is. Those are all timeless artisans too which is my queue to say gaming is a newer form of art that suffers from inferiority complexes and is still being defined in a lot of senses, but what we have now we owe a lot to miyamoto, if game directors are recognized these days Miyamoto was the first, it wasn't even a career path before and dude's been a roadwarrior for it. Occulus rift is just hardware, and although Miyamoto also contributed to hardware several times he is not getting remembered for that, he is being remembered by emotions and feelings his products engraved into several generations of people by now.

2. They have a vision, and their vision doesn't end in one thing. Miyamoto tried and tried again lots of things over the years, if something didn't work he'd try again and again in a timely manner until it was ready or gained form, he wanted to do multiplayer on Mario 64, he wanted to make Mii's since the NES, and lots of other examples. that's vision right there because they eventually materialized into something. John Carmack on the Occulus Rift is also one of those dudes, he's influential, but dude knows about cars, rocket science, programming shit and pretty much everything and has interests outside. He's a genius, so is Miyamoto but above all, he managed to contribute in a lot of things across the years, which if he was just a dude that can do programming he wouldn't unless he was ordered to, he's also very articulate, Miyamoto although not really an english speaker also has that trait in which he can convey his ideas very well onto words and be consistent, he has that kind of vision and clarity. It's that simple. It's not just being there.


Anyone else not known yet who can be a force to be reckoned in the future? Well, that's a bet as any other, they might just drop out of the map if their contribution comes down to being just this. Yes, they were part of the cog that made this go forward, but that doesn't give them a place in Time magazine cover.

Miyamoto is awfully closer to that than they'll probably ever be. Remember Miyamoto placed first on 2008 time magazine reader's poll for the most influential person to which he was nominated multiple times, he was knighted by the french, received a BAFTA and was awarded with a prince of the asturias award - no other gaming person gets voted for popularity on broad daylight and wins. He needs to prove nothing at this point, yet he's still here. Those dudes have nothing on him, and no I'm not gushing over a man.


Occulus rift dudes have to prove they aren't a sinking ship following Facebook acquisition and will have to withstand Sony trying their hand at it other companies that'll surely jump on that boat as soon as it's ripe like Creative, Mad Catz and Samsung, and probably Google and Apple via wearable shit. Perhaps Nintendo and Microsoft as well, this is a new Blue Ocean or at least a mirage of it, it won't get anywhere with Occulus Rift and Facebook alone. Even if sure, they were influential in getting the ball rolling.

But if it wasn't them someone would eventually, Carmack was already doing his own assembling bits and pieces exercise on parallel and lots of companies were doing R&D on it, Nintendo has had patents on this for decades, as does Sony, they didn't wake up to the possibilities now.


Remember Commodore? ceased to be influential in 2 years time. Stuff changes very quickly with technology and I reached for a gaming example, I could have said Nokia on the phone field, or Kodak on the camera business. Shit that a few years ago you'd say wouldn't go anywhere in 50 years.

Getting to be redundant is a lot easier for any dude at Occulus than it is for Miyamoto.Are they fans of paying a lot for stuff they know nothing about?

Not my definition of fan, that's like a fan of starwars not knowing about someone really important who participated in making the things they love a reality.


Plus even Nintendo fans known about Wozniak because dude was Nintendo Power Tetris highscore worst nightmare.
Amazing post. Thank you.
 
Man, it would be my dream to bring a silly indie creation of mine to E3 and have Shiggy come up and try it out (and like it)

I bet the OR team felt pretty awesome when this happened
 
This is a stupid discussion.

People invent stuff all the time, who invented the cell phone? But, but... it changed the world. Who invented the iPod? It wasn't Steve Jobs. Who invented the color TV? Hell, who invented the TV?

I rest my case.


People get to be known and recognized need to have two things going for them:

1. Keep being influential - Miyamoto is not known for having done Donkey Kong 1981 and packed up shop, no, he's influential because he's doing games until now and never dropped hugely when it comes to quality. Dude's been on a streak for 35 years, he's no fluke, and he worked damn hard for it. Like they said of James Brown Miyamoto might be the the hardest working man in the gaming business (unlike John Romero), he delves with every part of the product, software and all it's intrincacies, hardware, marketing... Nothing is really out of his turf, when it comes to gaming he's the full package, and not a lot of people can boast they're the full package, hence there are not a whole lot of Miyamotos, there can't be even if we looked outside of gaming which is why one usually says Miyamoto is like Miyazaki of Gaming, Steven Spielberg of gaming, Walt Disney of gaming. Because he really is. Those are all timeless artisans too which is my queue to say gaming is a newer form of art that suffers from inferiority complexes and is still being defined in a lot of senses, but what we have now we owe a lot to miyamoto, if game directors are recognized these days Miyamoto was the first, it wasn't even a career path before and dude's been a roadwarrior for it. Occulus rift is just hardware, and although Miyamoto also contributed to hardware several times he is not getting remembered for that, he is being remembered by emotions and feelings his products engraved into several generations of people by now.

2. They have a vision, and their vision doesn't end in one thing. Miyamoto tried and tried again lots of things over the years, if something didn't work he'd try again and again in a timely manner until it was ready or gained form, he wanted to do multiplayer on Mario 64, he wanted to make Mii's since the NES, and lots of other examples. that's vision right there because they eventually materialized into something. John Carmack on the Occulus Rift is also one of those dudes, he's influential, but dude knows about cars, rocket science, programming shit and pretty much everything and has interests outside. He's a genius, so is Miyamoto but above all, he managed to contribute in a lot of things across the years, which if he was just a dude that can do programming he wouldn't unless he was ordered to, he's also very articulate, Miyamoto although not really an english speaker also has that trait in which he can convey his ideas very well onto words and be consistent, he has that kind of vision and clarity. It's that simple. It's not just being there.


Anyone else not known yet who can be a force to be reckoned in the future? Well, that's a bet as any other, they might just drop out of the map if their contribution comes down to being just this. Yes, they were part of the cog that made this go forward, but that doesn't give them a place in Time magazine cover.

Miyamoto is awfully closer to that than they'll probably ever be. Remember Miyamoto placed first on 2008 time magazine reader's poll for the most influential person to which he was nominated multiple times, he was knighted by the french, received a BAFTA and was awarded with a prince of the asturias award - no other gaming person gets voted for popularity on broad daylight and wins. He needs to prove nothing at this point, yet he's still here. Those dudes have nothing on him, and no I'm not gushing over a man.


Occulus rift dudes have to prove they aren't a sinking ship following Facebook acquisition and will have to withstand Sony trying their hand at it other companies that'll surely jump on that boat as soon as it's ripe like Creative, Mad Catz and Samsung, and probably Google and Apple via wearable shit. Perhaps Nintendo and Microsoft as well, this is a new Blue Ocean or at least a mirage of it, it won't get anywhere with Occulus Rift and Facebook alone. Even if sure, they were influential in getting the ball rolling.

But if it wasn't them someone would eventually, Carmack was already doing his own assembling bits and pieces exercise on parallel and lots of companies were doing R&D on it, Nintendo has had patents on this for decades, as does Sony, they didn't wake up to the possibilities now.


Remember Commodore? ceased to be influential in 2 years time. Stuff changes very quickly with technology and I reached for a gaming example, I could have said Nokia on the phone field, or Kodak on the camera business. Shit that a few years ago you'd say wouldn't go anywhere in 50 years.

Getting to be redundant is a lot easier for any dude at Occulus than it is for Miyamoto.Are they fans of paying a lot for stuff they know nothing about?

Not my definition of fan, that's like a fan of starwars not knowing about someone really important who participated in making the things they love a reality.


Plus even Nintendo fans known about Wozniak because dude was Nintendo Power Tetris highscore worst nightmare.

Wow dont know how I missed this post, amazing.
 
This is a stupid discussion.

People invent stuff all the time, who invented the cell phone? But, but... it changed the world. Who invented the iPod? It wasn't Steve Jobs. Who invented the color TV? Hell, who invented the TV?

I rest my case.


People get to be known and recognized need to have two things going for them:

1. Keep being influential - Miyamoto is not known for having done Donkey Kong 1981 and packed up shop, no, he's influential because he's doing games until now and never dropped hugely when it comes to quality. Dude's been on a streak for 35 years, he's no fluke, and he worked damn hard for it. Like they said of James Brown Miyamoto might be the the hardest working man in the gaming business (unlike John Romero), he delves with every part of the product, software and all it's intrincacies, hardware, marketing... Nothing is really out of his turf, when it comes to gaming he's the full package, and not a lot of people can boast they're the full package, hence there are not a whole lot of Miyamotos, there can't be even if we looked outside of gaming which is why one usually says Miyamoto is like Miyazaki of Gaming, Steven Spielberg of gaming, Walt Disney of gaming. Because he really is. Those are all timeless artisans too which is my queue to say gaming is a newer form of art that suffers from inferiority complexes and is still being defined in a lot of senses, but what we have now we owe a lot to miyamoto, if game directors are recognized these days Miyamoto was the first, it wasn't even a career path before and dude's been a roadwarrior for it. Occulus rift is just hardware, and although Miyamoto also contributed to hardware several times he is not getting remembered for that, he is being remembered by emotions and feelings his products engraved into several generations of people by now.

2. They have a vision, and their vision doesn't end in one thing. Miyamoto tried and tried again lots of things over the years, if something didn't work he'd try again and again in a timely manner until it was ready or gained form, he wanted to do multiplayer on Mario 64, he wanted to make Mii's since the NES, and lots of other examples. that's vision right there because they eventually materialized into something. John Carmack on the Occulus Rift is also one of those dudes, he's influential, but dude knows about cars, rocket science, programming shit and pretty much everything and has interests outside. He's a genius, so is Miyamoto but above all, he managed to contribute in a lot of things across the years, which if he was just a dude that can do programming he wouldn't unless he was ordered to, he's also very articulate, Miyamoto although not really an english speaker also has that trait in which he can convey his ideas very well onto words and be consistent, he has that kind of vision and clarity. It's that simple. It's not just being there.


Anyone else not known yet who can be a force to be reckoned in the future? Well, that's a bet as any other, they might just drop out of the map if their contribution comes down to being just this. Yes, they were part of the cog that made this go forward, but that doesn't give them a place in Time magazine cover.

Miyamoto is awfully closer to that than they'll probably ever be. Remember Miyamoto placed first on 2008 time magazine reader's poll for the most influential person to which he was nominated multiple times, he was knighted by the french, received a BAFTA and was awarded with a prince of the asturias award - no other gaming person gets voted for popularity on broad daylight and wins. He needs to prove nothing at this point, yet he's still here. Those dudes have nothing on him, and no I'm not gushing over a man.


Occulus rift dudes have to prove they aren't a sinking ship following Facebook acquisition and will have to withstand Sony trying their hand at it other companies that'll surely jump on that boat as soon as it's ripe like Creative, Mad Catz and Samsung, and probably Google and Apple via wearable shit. Perhaps Nintendo and Microsoft as well, this is a new Blue Ocean or at least a mirage of it, it won't get anywhere with Occulus Rift and Facebook alone. Even if sure, they were influential in getting the ball rolling.

But if it wasn't them someone would eventually, Carmack was already doing his own assembling bits and pieces exercise on parallel and lots of companies were doing R&D on it, Nintendo has had patents on this for decades, as does Sony, they didn't wake up to the possibilities now.


Remember Commodore? ceased to be influential in 2 years time. Stuff changes very quickly with technology and I reached for a gaming example, I could have said Nokia on the phone field, or Kodak on the camera business. Shit that a few years ago you'd say wouldn't go anywhere in 50 years.

Getting to be redundant is a lot easier for any dude at Occulus than it is for Miyamoto.Are they fans of paying a lot for stuff they know nothing about?

Not my definition of fan, that's like a fan of starwars not knowing about someone really important who participated in making the things they love a reality.


Plus even Nintendo fans known about Wozniak because dude was Nintendo Power Tetris highscore worst nightmare.

Great stuff, thanks for taking the time to post it
 
Is Miyamoto known as a nice guy in RL or more of a prick like Steve Jobs was?

I hear he's a total hardass to work for, willing to throw everything out if he doesn't like it. But outside of that, I've heard he likes to help kids, teaches swimming etc. Sounds like a good guy, even if he isn't necessarily the most chill dude in the world.
 
The other thing is that VR already requires some serious hardware, and the requirements will only increase as the headsets improve. That's basically the opposite of where Nintendo has been over the last decade.

Actually, OR is 100% in line with Nintendo hardware philosophies.

Its using withered technologies (it only just got screen res to 1080p) and the really clever thing about it is the lowest spec technology possible - its the lens.
 
As someone who has used the OR this is just plain nonsense. The gamepad is a tablet cobtroller. It does not have anywhere near the universal applications of OR, and has not drawn the type of interest from mega tech companies like the OR has because of that. They are not at all comparable.
You didn't in any way explain how what I said "is nonsense".

No big publisher is betting everything on VR, all of them are keeping other options open. But it really is quite shocking how people see no connection between VR and: accelerometer/gyro controls, balance\weight sensing, pointer tracking, split controllers, super low latency wireless video transmission to a personal screen, separate images for the left and right eyes, the Virtual Boy(!!), etc..
If I were Nintendo I would launch a VR platform when it's affordable enough as a third pillar, like VB and DS. In case it crashes and burns, forget about it, if it is a success, make it replace the old line like DS replaced GB.

They can use old controllers from the Wii line for traditional gameplay (it should have a TV out/dongle of course).
 
Lostinblue that post does an amazing job at summing up why Miyamoto is a legend but you're right, this is a stupid discussion. Because Miyamoto will go down in history next to Speilberg, Disney, shit he might go down as the biggest of them all, and rightfully so. He is a creative genius. But there's another type of legend, Edison, Bell, Tesla. Palmer Luckey is personally responsible for the VR Big Bang and I'm certain his name will be taught in schools one day, proudly alongside the rest of these hero inventors.

Edit: how did I forget Sandwich and Crapper, jeez.
 
If I were Nintendo I would launch a VR platform when it's affordable enough as a third pillar, like VB and DS. In case it crashes and burns, forget about it, if it is a success, make it replace the old line like DS replaced GB.

They can use old controllers from the Wii line for traditional gameplay (it should have a TV out/dongle of course).

The way I see it, over the years they've been exploring various hardware elements necessary for VR through their product line (mentioned in my previous post) as these elements have reached mass market prices.

When the time is right for them, if they decide to release a VR platform, they'll have the benefit of years of experience dealing with many of the technical hurdles that come with VR, both on a production level and on a game design level.
 
Fuck.... That is embarrassing. I guess if anything highlight what Miyamoto is really like, that was it. I guess he is definitely a traditional, and "quite" typical, a strict Japanese boss. Definitely, if you are Japanese, don't slack nor forget the minor details if ever you work for him for he will blatantly let you know about them.

In the eastern world, respect is still a thing. So I don't see what's so embarrassing about that.
 
I've heard the exact opposite. He shut down ideas he perceived as bad quick and hard. I have nothing but respect for the man though. He was really good at picking ideas that would make good consumer products. Come to think of it, that's the mark of any good business leader, so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that Miyamoto exhibits some of those traits as well.
Ah wow, really? Probably depends on who you ask and what position you are though.

I know he famously got in an argument with Alvy Ray Smith, but alternatively articles like this showcase another side to him.

I may have heard it elsewhere, but the biography also mentioned how differently he treated Pixar to Apple.
 
Actually, OR is 100% in line with Nintendo hardware philosophies.

Its using withered technologies (it only just got screen res to 1080p) and the really clever thing about it is the lowest spec technology possible - its the lens.

100% in line? The lens is obviously low tech but the hardware powering everything isn't. Nintendo hasn't been interested in high-end hardware since the Gamecube.
 
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