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MLB World Series 2014 |OT| One Extras Wild Ride
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Duane Cunningham
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Dyson
Dammit Duane, you're ahead of me by 30 seconds or so.
Eh, ain't exactly tough to piss off baseball players. Fights break out over how hard someone runs the bases or how many seconds they stare at their homerun.
Ninja Scooter
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Really the same thing every pitcher does. To get outs. They just get a fancy (but meaningless) title.
DUFFMCWALIN
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Really dude? It's puig
just a pitcher that gets a stat that has ruined the game.
Just another relief pitcher but coaches designate someone as the "closer" to pitch the 9th and get a "save". (basically pitching with a 3 run lead or less at the end of the game and finishing the game).
It is the worst thing about the game today.
evil solrac v3.0
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what does rings have to do with anything? players with rings get to dictate how other players enjoy playing the game? he's a hick that's boring and can't handle someone with some flair.
Tragicomedy
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Great recovery. God bless Dyson.
Ninja Scooter
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Yeah he totally flips his bat. What an asshole.
Most overrated role in the game. Team spent upward of 12,000,000 a year for them to pitch with a lead usually at the final inning of a game. There's another thing about that role, they uusally do not pitch in extra inning on the road. man created monster.
Puig can showboat and play with style I don't mind that at all. He had what 12 strikeouts in round 1 though? Puig can be a clown all he wants as long as he's got the numbers. When you don't have the numbers anymore though we'll see how quickly you last in this league.
Tragicomedy
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Ninja Scooter
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A great relief pitcher is one of the most important players on the team.
HarryDemeanor
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We found that out quickly!
Tragicomedy
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That is true as well.
Might as well just say good pitchers are the most important players on a team. But to downplay a closer?
brianjones
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they tend to throw really hard
Ninja Scooter
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Yeah but what I mean is that you should play your best relief pitchers in the opitmal situation. If you have a lead, and a shutdown relief pitcher, and it's the 8th inning with the opposing teams heart of the order coming up, why not put him in to pitch that inning instead of the 9th? Because he won't get a 'save"? I think that's what he meant.
The issue is more that managers irrationally choose not to use their "closer" in certain situations because it's "not their role."
evil solrac v3.0
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this is all from one incident. ONE. who cares how long he lasts in the league? if he's fun to watch play that's all that matters. sometimes guys in Baseball are way, way, way too uptight.
what an ugly ring.
evil solrac v3.0
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except for Mariano Rivera.
While I think Puig is a clown, the bolded is so true. All the unwritten rules and shit are so annoying. Bat flips, trot speed on the bases, celebrations, staredowns, pitches hitter guys for revenge, etc. It's all incredibly silly.
Tragicomedy
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Two factors.
1) They tend to throw crazy hard, and can see action multiple nights in a row.
2) The mental game. When a closer is really on, there's almost a silly aura effect in place that intimidates batters. Bringing him in to destroy folks in the final inning can shake a team's confidence.
Ninja Scooter
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You sound like a 75 year old baseball writer. Who cares how long they've been in the league. Who cares if they are a 10 year vet or a guy who only had a cup of coffee in the majors. What is wrong with guys celebrating and having fun?
DUFFMCWALIN
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Ninja you sound butt hurt more than anything. Why even bring it up in the first place?
Ninja Scooter
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Because it's something that happened in the game we are watching?
edit: oh the puig stuff? I don't know. I just wanted to say byatch.
Tragicomedy
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Wade Davis is honestly the best pitcher on the roster. His stuff is crazy.
Yes you want great relief pitchers, you don't want to pigeonhole them into defined roles like closer and pitch them only with a 3 run lead or less at the end of the game. You want them in the most critical situations, which a lot of times managers don't do.
Ninja Scooter
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Wade Davis is balls but I do wonder if the Royals could have gotten here w/o Shields.
Tragicomedy
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I disagree. It's a very valuable role.
HarryDemeanor
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Fredi Gonzalez learned that the hard way.
ok so you think pitching with a 3 run lead and getting the "save" is a more critical situation than with a tie game in the 7th and 2 on, no out? You want your best pitcher in the most critical situation, sometimes it isn't the ninth inning.
Duane Cunningham
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I think the answer is no, but without the "three headed monster" I don't think we would be either.
Ninja Scooter
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It's not really a real "position" or role. I think team's could be successful with a stable of great relief pitchers and pitching them in optimal, best situations. It doesn't have to be one guy who pitches the 9th. It seems like a carryover from old tradition, like batting your best hitter 4th to "clean up" when he'd bet more ABs (which is what you want) if you bat him 2nd.
Tragicomedy
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No. I just understand that on a team roster you can afford to have players specialize in certain roles. It's not rocket science, and the stats support it.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Just got home...I see the middle of the bullpen melted down. I think the lack of consistent playing time is really affecting Machi.
Ah well, I was expecting a split in KC, just need Hudson to go at least 6 strong. I'm guessing Game 4 will be a bullpen game for both teams.
Ah well, I was expecting a split in KC, just need Hudson to go at least 6 strong. I'm guessing Game 4 will be a bullpen game for both teams.
Sir Alemeth
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These royals are no joke.
I think there's merit to the idea of "bullpen roles" but only in the sense that they greatly simplify the difficult task of managing relief innings for your pitching staff over a 162-game season.
In the playoffs when you get a bunch of rest and can't afford to lose games that shit needs to go out the window immediately. It's funny because for as much shit as Yost has gotten for his in-season bullpen usage he's been remarkably aggressive in using his best pitchers in the playoffs when they're needed. Relatively speaking of course...
In the playoffs when you get a bunch of rest and can't afford to lose games that shit needs to go out the window immediately. It's funny because for as much shit as Yost has gotten for his in-season bullpen usage he's been remarkably aggressive in using his best pitchers in the playoffs when they're needed. Relatively speaking of course...
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