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MLB World Series 2014 |OT| One Extras Wild Ride

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Yes! Waino and Molina. Another Gold Glove!

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kris. said:
any KC bros got any info on watching the game at P&L and when we should get there? my roommate has one of those happy hour dealies for PBR tomorrow night and i really wanna watch the game up there so i was thinking we'd head up there at 5:30-6ish and hope to christ they're not already at capacity.
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I had a buddy watch the game last night up there and it looked pretty crazy. Honestly I'd say head up there around 5 just to be safe. Also take into account it's Friday night so it'll be extra packed.

I was going to go up there for Game 1, but ended up going to 810 zone instead.
 
graffix13 said:
I had a buddy watch the game last night up there and it looked pretty crazy. Honestly I'd say head up there around 5 just to be safe. Also take into account it's Friday night so it'll be extra packed.

I was going to go up there for Game 1, but ended up going to 810 zone instead.
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eeeeek, this is gonna be interesting. i don't get off work til 5.
 
Sir Alemeth said:
Out of curiosity, how much money do they make from ticket sales from 1 WS game?
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Little bit of the money info is in here from 2012
The postseason can be a financial bonanza for teams, but not when a playoff series ends in a sweep. Participating teams only keep 25% of ticket revenue from the first four games of the World Series and League Championship Series (they get 25% from the first three games of the Division Series). The commissioner’s office keeps 15% of ticket proceeds, while 60% go to the players to fund a postseason bonus pool. St. Louis Cardinals players received $323,170 apiece last year for winning the World Series. The runner-up Texas Rangers nabbed $251,516 each.

Teams don’t really cash in until after a Series goes the minimum number of games. Teams capitalize further by raising ticket prices dramatically in the postseason. Ticket prices for the World Series ranged from $110 to $330 for Games 3 and 4 at Comerica Park and $230 to $1,040 for the first two games at the Giants home stadium, AT&T Park. Ticket revenues are pooled each series in the playoffs and split evenly between the two teams after the players and commissioner get their cut. A seven game World Series would have produced an additional $30 million in ticket revenues for the Giants and Tigers, plus their share of concession, merchandise and parking revenues.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...weep-proves-costly-for-giants-tigers-and-fox/
 
Chance of rain later tonight in NorCal, a lot more likely tomorrow. Will be interesting to see if there's a game delay or postponement.
 
Could someoone explain the NL rule regarding the DH?

Say if Butler pinch hit for Guthrie, does that mean Guthrie is out of the game as a pitcher as well?
 
Wellscha said:
Could someoone explain the NL rule regarding the DH?

Say if Butler pinch hit for Guthrie =, does that mean Guthrie is out of the game as a pitcher?
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Yep, basically, there IS no DH in the NL. So if Ned wants to do that, he has to do it in the bottom of Guthrie's last inning. Then at the top of the next inning, Herrera (or whichever relief pitcher) subs in for Billy, and Billy can't come back.

Note: I may have this wrong.
 
Duane Cunningham said:
Yep, basically, there IS no DH in the NL. So if Ned wants to do that, he has to do it in the bottom of Guthrie's last inning. Then at the top of the next inning, Herrera (or whichever relief pitcher) subs in for Billy, and Billy can't come back.

Note: I may have this wrong.
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There's always the double switch if you wanted to keep Butler in the game after PHing. He would have to play defense and another player would have to be swapped out though.
welcome to real baseball
 
Little Green Yoda said:
There's always the double switch if you wanted to keep Butler in the game after PHing. He would have to play defense and another player would have to be swapped out though.
welcome to real baseball
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People who refer to the NL setup without a DH as "real baseball" crack me up. Nothing like watching shitty pitchers be 3-4 guaranteed outs per game. There are a few exceptions, but they are few and far between. You are forced to take a player who specializes in a very important role (i.e. pitching) and watch him flounder at the plate or replace him before you want to with a player who specializes in a very important role (i.e. hitting).

This is one area where the purists are clearly in the wrong. DH for life.

Yaboosh said:
Just fell into some free club seat tickets for tonight's game. So who should i root for?
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If you love America, freedom, and the underdog experiencing its first playoffs in 29 years, then cheer for the Royals.

If you love North Korea, slave labor, and a team who has won two of the last four World Series, then cheer for the Giants.

Comparative roster salaries:
- San Francisco Giants $148,239,158, average salary of $5,490,339
- Kansas City Royals $90,481,500, average salary of $3,351,166
 
TangoAlphaLima said:
Weather.com shows 0% for tonight in San Fran. Tomorrow night there's a better than 50% chance, though.
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I was looking at weather.gov earlier in the morning when I first posted, they had a 40% chance tonight and a 70% chance tomorrow. Things have changed since then, obviously.

Tragicomedy said:
If you love America, freedom, and the underdog experiencing its first playoffs in 29 years, then cheer for the Royals.
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But the Royals are the favorite for a lot of people before the series started, including the saber community and Vegas. SF's been the underdog in all the recent WS they've been in so far.
 
hey if any KC-GAF is up at P&L tonight, my roommate has a happy hour from 8-11 at PBR. pretty sure it includes free cover. shoot me a message and i can give you some detalis.

it's still in P&L so the drinks are fucking expensive but not as expensive :3
 
XiaNaphryz said:
I was looking at weather.gov earlier in the morning when I first posted, they had a 40% chance tonight and a 70% chance tomorrow. Things have changed since then, obviously.

But the Royals are the favorite for a lot of people before the series started, including the saber community and Vegas. SF's been the underdog in all the recent WS they've been in so far.
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The Giants won in 2010 and 2012. The Royals haven't been in the playoffs since 1985. It's pretty damn obvious who the underdog is here. Giants fans trying to play that card is laughable. Act like you've been there recently, dammit. :)
 
Tragicomedy said:
The Giants won in 2010 and 2012. The Royals haven't been in the playoffs since 1985.
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That has nothing to do with whether a team is favored or not in the current series, and I'd make the same argument whether I was a SF fan or not.

Act like you've been there recently, dammit. :)
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I prefer logic and matchups to determine things, thanks. Going into this KC is a slight favorite overall.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
That has nothing to do with whether a team is favored or not in the current series, and I'd make the same argument whether I was a SF fan or not.

I prefer logic and matchups to determine things, thanks. Going into this KC is a slight favorite overall.
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A team with very recent championship experience has nothing to do with their approach to the current series? Oooookay.

The Royals tear in the playoffs put them as slight favorites over the Giants. Slight. That wasn't the case the rest of the season. Trying to pull an underdog card when you are working towards your third championship in five seasons is ludicrous.

Odds to Win 2014 World Series at 5Dimes as of June 15:
San Francisco Giants +750
Kansas City Royals +6500

Odds to Win 2014 World Series at Bovada as of July 14:
San Francisco Giants 12/1
Kansas City Royals 40/1

Odds to Win 2014 World Series at Bovada as of September 29:
San Francisco Giants 12/1
Kansas City Royals 16/1

Odds to Win 2014 World Series at Bovada as of October 8:
San Francisco Giants 11/4
Kansas City Royals 3/1

Odds to Win 2014 World Series at Bovada as of October 20:
Kansas City Royals 10/11
San Francisco Giants 1/1
 
Tragicomedy said:
A team with very recent championship experience has nothing to do with their approach to the current series? Oooookay.

The Royals tear in the playoffs put them as slight favorites over the Giants. Slight. That wasn't the case the rest of the season. Trying to pull an underdog card when you are working towards your third championship in five seasons is ludicrous.
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I was responding to hyperbole with hyperbole. Saying all that experience alone should make SF the favorite is equially ludicrous. The teams are close enough that it's pretty much a coin toss, and if it goes beyond 5 the home field should work in KC's favor more given their advantage at the DH spot.

Going over to FG, KC has been the favorite to move on to the WS since the LCS:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-why-do-our-playoff-odds-love-the-royals/

This is how those projections look right now, before the start of either LCS.

Team LCS Odds WS Odds
Royals 63% 36%
Cardinals 52% 25%
Giants 48% 23%
Orioles 37% 16%

Our projections have the Royals as a significant favorite over the Orioles, even though Baltimore was the better regular season team by just about any measure you want to use. But this isn’t another FanGraphs-just-hates-the-Orioles situation — we don’t, really, I promise — as our forecasts actually had the Royals-Angels match-up as essentially a coin toss, and see them as a legitimately strong contender, not just a Wild Card who snuck past the first round due to the randomness of October.

But the Royals certainly didn’t play like an elite team this summer. By BaseRuns, they were a .500 team, and only managed to snag a Wild Card spot because of their strong performances in the clutch. So what’s the deal? Why do our forecasts love the Royals so much?
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If you go to the Royals team depth chart page, you can see how the individual forecasts add up at the runs level. The positive forecasts for the young players turns the Royals from a bad offensive team into an above average one, grading them out at +26 runs above average with the bats. Toss in another +34 runs for their fielding, and Steamer really likes the Royals position players. Pair that with a decent rotation and a great bullpen, and the forecasts think the Royals are clearly the best team left in the postseason, as good as any of the big boys who just knocked out in the first round.

Now, how much emphasis you put on these forecasts is a matter of opinion, and if you think that the only data that matters is what happened in the regular season, then our season-to-date Playoff Odds model probably aligns more with your expectations, with the Orioles as strong favorites to win both the ALCS and the World Series. If you think Moustakas, Hosmer, and Butler are more of what they showed this season than what the forecasts think, then the Royals probably aren’t a legitimately great team.

Personally, I’m probably somewhere in between, thinking the Royals are better than their 2014 performance but not entirely buying into the full improvements that Steamer sees for the Royals young hitters. But then again, I’m also the guy who would have had Anaheim, Detroit, Los Angeles, and Washington playing in the LCS, so Steamer’s doing better than I am this postseason.
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Prior to the WS, they stated neither team is really the favorite if you don't like to go with their Steamer projections:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/world-series-preview-by-the-numbers/

Overall

Mostly, we see a lot of similarities, or at least offsetting advantages. The Giants are a little better on the infield, but the Royals are a little better in the outfield. The Royals pitching is better, but probably not quite to the extent that the forecasts suggest. The Royals have home field advantage, but only if the series goes to the seventh game; because of the 2-3-2 schedule, the Giants actually play more home games if the series only goes five.

Our playoff odds have the Royals as favorites using the Steamer forecasts, but basically call it a coin-toss if you use 2014 statistics as your inputs instead. Neither team is clearly better than the other, though, and both teams have something close to a 50/50 chance of winning the series.
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I don't know about you but rooting for the Giants always feels like rooting for the underdogs. Just look around the internet, most experts picks are counting us out and 80+% of the people are rooting for the Royals.

We'll always be the underdogs.
 
Sir Alemeth said:
I don't know about you but rooting for the Giants always feels like rooting for the underdogs. Just look around the internet, most experts picks are counting us out and 80+% of the people are rooting for the Royals.

We'll always be the underdogs.
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They're rooting for the Royals because they're the underdogs and experts are picking the Royals because of the streak they were on.
 
I can't believe that dumbass poll. 86% of people would rather hang out with Nick Swisher than Hunter Pence? Why? I mean I don't like San Fran as a team but hanging out with Pence would probably be a riot.
 
JDHarbs said:
They're rooting for the Royals because they're the underdogs and experts are picking the Royals because of the streak they were on.
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If more than 50% of the people are rooting for the underdogs, doesn't that make them no longer be the underdogs?

Home field advantage: KC
Saber and Vegas: KC

Overall salary: SF
Recent WS experience: SF

I don't know, if anything I'd say SF are the underdogs here... either that or it's a tie.
 
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