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MLB World Series 2014 |OT| One Extras Wild Ride

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TheSadRanger said:
Fair enough Zulux, I'm also wondering how the Royals are going to keep a lot of key players on their roster next year. I mean yeah Shields comes off the books but they are going to have to make a choice if they want to put some money down for real next year.

This really was their best chance to pull this off.
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butler and shields gone will be 21 million off the books. There are a couple other people coming off the books as well looking at this a few that were on the playoff roster, but weren't really key players.

I think the only person KC will seriously have to think about trading away would be the end of the three headed monster Greg Holland. As not only is he likely to get a sizeable raise, They could likely get a decent starting pitcher back for him to make up for shields.

Most of their key players were pretty young and still locked up from what I am seeing. So it wouldn't be surprising if KC took their extra money from the playoffs and spent a bit to really try again for it next year.

You are completely right that this was their best chance though, as while the tigers might end up being a bit worse next year, the indians are likely to get it together soon, no one likely sees it right now but the white sox will likely be a rough team to face next year (it will depend on their offseason moves but they have a solid core to build around and a lot of useless money coming off the books) and the twins.... well they likely won't do much unless they move back to their old ballpark >.>;

I should also note, I don't know what KC has in their farm system. While I have followed their majors team for a few years I haven't bothered looking at their minors team. all I know is they are rated higher than the chicago white sox farm :P

But yeah in general I am very curious to see what the royals, white sox, red sox, and yankees do this off season (I don't follow NL baseball very closely so I don't know enough about any NL teams to have them on my radar as a team likely to be interesting over the off season)
PeregrinSe7en said:
agreed

Shields is an imposter

if anything the title "big game" belongs to madbum

Madison "Big Game" Bumgarner
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seriously.... don't taint Bumbgarner with such a pathetic title....
at the very least he deserves
Madison "World Series GOD!" Bumgarner
 
XiaNaphryz said:
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zulux21 said:
you say it yourself...

that is the exact reason why it ISN'T a bad contract.
could he have gotten more money waiting another season. Most likely. But when he signed that he likely wasn't thinking... "man, if I do well in the world series this year I could get a lot more money."

He signed an at worst, slightly below market contract for a player of his skill and time played... a contract that meant even if his arm fell off he would be set for life. You say only 3.5 million, but I could easily retire with that amount of money and never have money issues again as I currently excluding my student loans would live off around 30k a year (meaning a million would easily last me 30 years so 3.5 would last me 105 years assuming I can put it in an account that at least matches the rate of inflation)

In no way was what he signed bad for him or his team, it's the going rate for a future star player right now. They get set for life, the team manages to sign what looks to be a future star for below market cost in hopes that they don't fall apart. If the player performs to expectations it was a really good contract for the team/ a low paying one for the player. And if they don't then it's a really good contract for the player/ a bad one for the team.

Yes in hindsight it looks like he could have done better... but at the same time two starts into the season he could have been a TJ victim and missed out on the many millions he is getting now. There is no chance at all he regrets the contract he signed unless he is one of the most shallow people in the world, which I doubt because if he was one of the most shallow people in the world the giants likely wouldn't have a WS title right now as he likely wouldn't have made himself available as he would not want to hurt himself by pitching on short rest.
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Exactly. Tim Lincecum took a 2 year contract while rejecting a long term contact. Do you think he regret that?
 
Fushichou187 said:
I am legit shocked they are having the parade on Halloween. That just seems like asking for trouble; not necc. due to the parade itself, but the fact that these type of things turn into de facto all-day holidays anyway with people getting completely off their face drunk or with a blaze haze that'd put Karl the Fog to shame. Throw in a day that encourages people to dress up and the things people think they can get away with while in costume and you've got something like Pride + Bay 2 Breakers + 4/20 all rolled up
(you like that?)
into one.



Hope the excitement takes it easy on your neighborhood then, GAFer. I'm down for car horns and fireworks, but man if there isn't always a bunch of morons looking to use it as an excuse to just destroy things :\
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The 2012 parade was on Halloween, too, but that was on a Wednesday. I say why not? People are going to be out and celebrating anyways so get the team out there with the fans.
 
RobotChant said:
The 2012 parade was on Halloween, too, but that was on a Wednesday. I say why not? People are going to be out and celebrating anyways so get the team out there with the fans.
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Hmm, I kind of want to go to the parade, but I don't have time to fly due to classes.

I know it's gonna be a riot, and a shit ton of fun. It's supposed to rain also.
 
RobotChant said:
The 2012 parade was on Halloween, too, but that was on a Wednesday. I say why not? People are going to be out and celebrating anyways so get the team out there with the fans.
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Yeah... I just think there is just something about any type of celebration like this that's on a Friday that lends itself to overdoing it because "i don't have to work tomorrow" logic.

I also kind of get all grumpy old man on stuff like this because I live in the TL and a stone's throw from where all of this is going to go down lol

Whatever, they want to capitalize on all the excitement and rightfully should. I can't take off work but I'm sure the party will still be there when I get home haha
 
Fushichou187 said:
I am legit shocked they are having the parade on Halloween. That just seems like asking for trouble; not necc. due to the parade itself, but the fact that these type of things turn into de facto all-day holidays anyway with people getting completely off their face drunk or with a blaze haze that'd put Karl the Fog to shame. Throw in a day that encourages people to dress up and the things people think they can get away with while in costume and you've got something like Pride + Bay 2 Breakers + 4/20 all rolled up
(you like that?)
into one.



Hope the excitement takes it easy on your neighborhood then, GAFer. I'm down for car horns and fireworks, but man if there isn't always a bunch of morons looking to use it as an excuse to just destroy things :
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2012 Parade was on Halloween as well, everything was fine and it too was wet from rain. Even though it's on a Friday this year, I doubt much will be different than 2012's.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
I was sort of hoping Yost would put in Gore to pinch-run at the end there and go "Fuck it, steal home!"
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With Perez's at bats after getting hit by a pitch in the leg during the 2nd I was almost thinking that they should........

You know what, fuck this and fuck baseball.

Once Selig is out and the CBA ends on Dec.1 2016, everything fucking changes. Get ready for some NFL parity cause shit is gonna change in two years. The salary cap is coming.
 
TheSadRanger said:
Once Selig is out and the CBA ends on Dec.1 2016, everything fucking changes. Get ready for some NFL parity cause shit is gonna change in two years. The salary cap is coming.
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This argument again? MLB has had a lot more parity than people may realize, no worse really than the other major sports.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=105873200#post105873200

XiaNaphryz said:
Agreed.

Salaries alone aren't necessarily an indicator of success. Last season 3 of the 5 lowest teams in terms of salary spent made the playoffs. The 2 that didn't make it were in obvious teardown/rebuilding mode (Astros, Marlins). 4 of the lowest 10 overall made the playoffs last season, and only 3 of the top 10.

Other stats:

* 16 of 30 teams have won at least one World Series in the past 25 years.
* 24 of the 30 teams have played in one of those World Series.
* 28 of the 30 teams have made the postseason since 2001.



Many of those teams get a ton of revenue, so they're still making money despite the high payrolls.
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The above numbers can now be updated to reflect the Royals making it to the WS.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=105875033#post105875033

Talon said:
MLB: 10 different champions since '95
NFL: 14 different champions in the same timeframe
NBA: 8 different champions in the same timeframe

Baseball's WS results are dictated by the fact that the playoff format favors having 2 or 3 elite starters that can overcome lineup imbalances. Luckily, the arbitration years allow lower payroll teams like the A's or Rays to take advantage of their younger players for half their prime years.

NFL's volatility is dictated by salary caps constraining team's resources - the moment you get a good, young team together - the clock starts ticking for the next 2-3 seasons where you won't be able to keep your players.

NBA's a little easier to maintain dominance - as the Bulls, Spurs, Lakers, and now Heat have shown. It's a 5-on-5 game, so having two elite stars in their prime will let you run the league for a while.
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XiaNaphryz said:
This argument again? MLB has had a lot more parity than people may realize, no worse really than the other major sports.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=105873200#post105873200



The above numbers can now be updated to reflect the Royals making it to the WS.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=105875033#post105875033
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Doesn't change that the salary cap is coming, small market team owners aren't going to deal with it anymore.

edit: also no one's posted in that salary thread in over half a year.
 
TheSadRanger said:
Doesn't change that the salary cap is coming, small market team owners aren't going to deal with it anymore.
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I didn't hear you complaining when The Astros were turning a profit while fielding a shitty ass product on the field. Or how about The Miami Marlins and the scam they pulled on the tax payers of Miami-Date County?
 
TheSadRanger said:
Doesn't change that the salary cap is coming, small market team owners aren't going to deal with it anymore.

edit: also no one's posted in that salary thread in over half a year.
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I don't see the players union letting that happen. And of course noone's posted in that thread since then given when the info in the OP came out, why would it continue?
 
TheSadRanger said:
Doesn't change that the salary cap is coming, small market team owners aren't going to deal with it anymore.

edit: also no one's posted in that salary thread in over half a year.
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hmmmm
small market team owners vs big market team owners, the players union, tv stations that air games, sports channels like espn and the majority of the players....

I haven't a clue who will win this fight >.>;

There is no clear evidence that shows that small market teams can't compete (the opposite actually) thus there will be no reason why players would want to limit their paychecks or why big teams like the yankees would remotely accept a hard salary cap. The best you would see is an even higher punishment for going over X amount... an amount that will remain 3-8 times higher then the lowest paid team. (used to be more like 5-10 but I don't think there are any 25 mil teams anymore.)
 
xbhaskarx said:
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AAA Rivercats are switching from A's to Giants...
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Man... I was super bummed when I learned that the Giants didn't want the Fresno Grizzlies as their affiliated AAA team anymore due to wanting a team that's closer. Fresno is definitely Giants territory and I don't think the Astros are going to find very many willing to abandon the Black & Orange.

Also, holy shit at that recent alumni roster from the Grizzlies:

Buster Posey
Tim Lincecum
Brian Wilson
Brian Horwitz
Matt Cain
Sergio Romo
Madison Bumgarner
Pat Burrell
Brandon Belt
 
Dominican Power said:
I didn't hear you complaining when The Astros were turning a profit while fielding a shitty ass product on the field. Or how about The Miami Marlins and the scam they pulled on the tax payers of Miami-Date County?
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I can't speak much about the Astros. The Miami-Dade county stadium fiasco was a power play move made by Loria, he's done the same shit since he schemed to control the Expos and screw them over with the help of Selig.

You can't compare teams that are intentionally ran into the ground and held onto merely as business opportunities to teams that are ran well with the intention of winning but just simply don't have the money.

Take the Brewers for example, they are a team that has a great farm system and tries to stay in the mix postseason but they never have what it takes to make it over the hump. They just don't have the money.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
I was sort of hoping Yost would put in Gore to pinch-run at the end there and go "Fuck it, steal home!"
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He should have just tried to go all the way for an in the park home run, getting Posey to drop the ball probably would have had a better chance of success than letting bum pitch again.
 
TheSadRanger said:
I can't speak much about the Astros. The Miami-Dade county stadium fiasco was a power play move made by Loria, he's done the same shit since he schemed to control the Expos and screw them over with the help of Selig.

You can't compare teams that are intentionally ran into the ground and held onto merely as business opportunities to teams that are ran well with the intention of winning but just simply don't have the money.

Take the Brewers for example, they are a team that has a great farm system and tries to stay in the mix postseason but they never have what it takes to make it over the hump. They just don't have the money.
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Money doesn't mean everything, the Jays spend a lot more money now and they still haven't made the playoffs since 93.

They even bought the Marlins and a Cy Young pitcher and still can't go anywhere when you had Tampa and now Baltimore doing well in the same division. So the Boston/Yankees excuse don't fly nor does money.

Not to rag on the Jays but money is not everything,
 
Well KC fans, your team made it farther than anyone expected at any point this season. I hope you all win it or at least get back to the WS again next year as you seem like some good folk that have fallen on ~30 years of hard times.

As for me, I enjoyed rooting for KC in the world series, but my roots are showing and I'm back to my usual derpy STL avatar. See you all in the Off-season thread.
 
St. John's alum Panik had a great rookie year! SJU baseball is a fantastic program, felt proud seeing Panik come up with the big defensive play last night at 2B.

Still, would have been nice to see the Royals win. The Yanks and Red Sox both had down years, it will be more challenging for the Royals to get back next year.
 
ya know, i can't even be mad. royals played their asses off, made it to game fucking 7 of the World Series. never in my 22 years of life did i think i'd witness something like this. madbum is just too good. i'm convinced he's some kind of test tube baby bred specifically to pitch.
 
Was really hoping KC would pull off the mircale run. Getting to Game 7 was a huge accomplishment and I think the Royals are going to have some really good years ahead of them.

The Giants are a legit Dynasty now, no questions. But the fact that one pitcher carried that entire team is unbelievable. Bum should be paid royally (hehe) for his performance, the dude is a living legend.

Congrats to Hudson, too. Long time coming. I wish my Braves would have gotten him there before, but at least he has a ring now.
 
Good playoffs overall it's just too bad the WS wasn't better. This was the Royals playoffs even though the Giants won it all. KC made it fun. Congrats to Giants fans.
 
KC peeps, I just politely told my boss to stuff it today and I'm going to head to the K at like 10:30. Hopefully it will be cathartic. If anyone else is going to be there and wants to do a meetup, send me a PM or post here.
 
Askani said:
KC peeps, I just politely told my boss to stuff it today and I'm going to head to the K at like 10:30. Hopefully it will be cathartic. If anyone else is going to be there and wants to do a meetup, send me a PM or post here.
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Damn, I was kind of thinking about it, but it looks like it's going to be too busy here.
 
This sucks, but...trying to stay positive. I mean...we made Game 7 of the World Series. We took the mighty Giants to the brink. Yes it's upsetting we didn't finish but we came damn close.

Some of my friends are really depressed but honestly our pain cannot be near the pain Cubs fans have had to endure. Or Indians fans. Mariners fans. I just wish some of my fellow Royals fans would be thankful for what we got this year.
 
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