They'd give you a physical version but the threshold would be higher to get it. Like this fucking Kickstarter we're in a thread about...
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MonkeyPaw Games Is Starting A Kickstarter For A Class Of Heroes 2 EN Physical Release
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Viola of the Abyss
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I'm a little uncertain about this, I agree that kickstarting projects like this is a great idea and I do hope that this trend continues to grow until choice on what is being made passes on to the final customers and tyrannical big middle-men distributors die a gruesome death. On the other hand though I wish they would have chosen a more interesting game to start this.
I won't pledge this for now since I'm not interested in the game but I could give something to the cause if in the last days they're short of the goal. I wish them the best.
And I'm very curious to hear what they have in mind after this if it goes through...
I won't pledge this for now since I'm not interested in the game but I could give something to the cause if in the last days they're short of the goal. I wish them the best.
And I'm very curious to hear what they have in mind after this if it goes through...
The images of the Lunar deluxe packages pushed me over the edge to go for the $60 package. I remember being super impressed even by Lunar on Sega CD with its foil embossed manual. My nostalgia for WD products runs deep.
Nostalgia aside, I support companies spending more time (money) on localization. I want production teams to have the funds to go into a game and tweak balance issues, interfaces, etc. I know the text of the Kickstarter page emphasizes the physical bonuses, but personally, the increased attention to localization is more important. And based on Vic's comments in this thread, I'm confident the 'enhanced localization' part of this project isn't just an afterthought.
Nostalgia aside, I support companies spending more time (money) on localization. I want production teams to have the funds to go into a game and tweak balance issues, interfaces, etc. I know the text of the Kickstarter page emphasizes the physical bonuses, but personally, the increased attention to localization is more important. And based on Vic's comments in this thread, I'm confident the 'enhanced localization' part of this project isn't just an afterthought.
AdventureMike
Member
I'm glad for my assistance to the cause at hand. Also makes me wonder what were to happen if they were added to the Kickstarter page, proper.
Psst....Vic...*nudge nudge*...Do it up champ!
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Sadly I don't think this is going to work out.
Hell, it's looking like they'll be lucky to get to 10% of the goal. :-(
Hell, it's looking like they'll be lucky to get to 10% of the goal. :-(
NeededSleep
Member
Arc the lad collection was my best collectors edition I ever got. even though I pre ordered way early with eb games at the time, they never gave me my pocket watch. They said they ran out, which was bullshit. I knew they pocketed I, but nothing I could do about it.
Love those little character stands though.
And the manual chapter that made me laugh "sucking diek" for distributing his exp.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Only on dd. Kickstarter also means the dd version will end up better as they can spend more on localisation & improvements to the game:
Fan Kickstarter support will allow us to make the games even better than they are, adding features like extra saves and better controls, smoothing out the user interface experience, and adding perks. In essence, it will allow us to hit the familiar level of quality we reached at Working Designs.
Yes, but 1) it'd be digital only and 2) they would use the Kickstarter money to improve the game. If they fail, it'll just be the Japanese game translated into English, nothing more. If they succeed, they'll do more than just translate it (just like they used to do back in the days for Lunar etc.)
HadesGigas
Member
If the localization was the focus of the kickstarter, I'd probably support it more.
$100-200k to improve the localization process, go into more detail explaining how my money would help localization, have a $20-30 download of the game, keep the pricey swag as the upper tiers.
They should also spend a lot more time explaining what the game is. One screenshot that isn't even of the gameplay isn't cutting it. The game is out, there should be no shortage of footage and screens to use. Most people either have no idea what this game is, or know what the first one was and hate it.
Yes. Which is why this Kickstarter is pointless for the vast majority of people who buy games who don't care for big ol' boxes of useless tat, but ideal for otaku who will splash the cash for swag because that's what they spend their money on.
I have absolutely zero interest in Class of Heroes 2 - it's a niche of a niche, a moeblob Wizardry - and I'm not sure how, if this Kickstarter succeeds, it proves anything beyond a desire for some people to pay over the odds for collector's editions of games. Plus, we have no idea what proportion of eventual buyers of the game will pick up this deluxe edition - what if the majority of people who are interested only buy the swanky version (because it's a niche title and inspires that level of spending) and the game sells nothing on its regular release as a result?
The translation is not being funded by the $500,000. That's to produce the fancy packaging, which is the point of the Kickstarter project. The translation likely cost a lot less than that, as that will be done regardless (the game's getting a digital release no matter what happens with the Kickstarter).
It's not translation it's distribution of a silly superficial collectors edition physical thing.
EternalGamer
Banned
So, if they succeed:
1) more useless plastic shit is produced
2) Vic Ireland gets to "improve" the game with lame pop culture references, unbalanced gameplay and Obama is a Muslim socialist jokes.
No thank you.
How about a quckstarter where I pay money to stop this from happening. This is quite possibly the lamest quick starter of any I've seen.
vireland, can you please clarify as I live in New Zealand:
Does that mean I need to pay $64 to get it to New Zealand, or $74? $25 USD postage to New Zealand would at least twice what it'll actually cost you based on other purchases i've made. Cheers
Kickstarter page said:
Kickstarter page said:
Does that mean I need to pay $64 to get it to New Zealand, or $74? $25 USD postage to New Zealand would at least twice what it'll actually cost you based on other purchases i've made. Cheers
What makes you say this? I'm unaware of any vireland political affiliation.
AdventureMike
Member
I love physical copies, and I didn't dislike CoH, so I'm happy about this being about CoH2, at the same time though, I'd want a digital version to play on my Vita, as I wouldn't want to play this on my PSP, so with no possibility to receive the digital version by contributing, and not wanting to buy two times the same game now, I think I'm gonna pass on contributing to this and just grab a digital copy when it is released.
Still I hope the project is successful.
Still I hope the project is successful.
AdventureMike
Member
If you are shipping to New Zealand, I'd imagine the price would be the pledge ($59) + International shipping ($15), so $74.
Hence asking.
Pretty much. Especially with the amount of people complaining about DD only options too. Just seems weird to me. Then again, I doubt it's the same people complaining about both (...I'd hope?). This Kickstarter is to see if there's roughly 6000-7000 people that would be willing to pay now to fund a Deluxe Edition (or Deluxer Editions, depending on their pledge) of the game when it releases. $500,000 isn't really that much in the context of "roughly 7000 sales." As far as I can tell, it's not even that the Deluxe Edition will be retailed, just made for those who pledged. Maybe I missed something though.
That's why I'd love a digital option. I like the Deluxe Edition and I pledged based off that and helping to reach the goal so everyone can get that. But, I'd also like it digitally so I can play it on my Vita. I guess instead of the $100 pledge I'll just do it this way and get the digital later? Hm...
And I'll ask the same thing I always do: Are these "fixes" at the request/blessing of the original developer? If not, I'll once again point out that I feel very uncomfortable about companies "fixing" games that they didn't develop, except in more extreme circumstances (or unless they have discussed things with the original dev).
DiscoJer
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This is where I think PC games have a huge advantage - selling the digital copies as part of the lower tier. I'm not sure they could sell digital copies here, since I think the publisher only gets a limited number for press purposes for PSN games
If you look at Wasteland 2, 9000 people have pledged at $50 or more for a physical copy of the game, with half at $50, compared to 22000 people who have pledged at $30/15
It's for a game with very limited appeal.
With that said, NISA couldn't get enough people to pre-order Holy Invasion of Privacy Badman on UMD, and they only wanted like a 1000 (or 2000) at $20. So I think the amount of people who really really want stuff physically is not as much as their voices on message boards would make it to be.
If you look at Wasteland 2, 9000 people have pledged at $50 or more for a physical copy of the game, with half at $50, compared to 22000 people who have pledged at $30/15
It's for a game with very limited appeal.
With that said, NISA couldn't get enough people to pre-order Holy Invasion of Privacy Badman on UMD, and they only wanted like a 1000 (or 2000) at $20. So I think the amount of people who really really want stuff physically is not as much as their voices on message boards would make it to be.
I think he's talking about the Bill Clinton joke in Lunar: Eternal Blue.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
No idea, but you could always ask them directly - use the "send message" function in kickstarter.
Or vireland may see your question here and answer you anyway...
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Back when they were Working Designs, they took a Saturn game that was virtually unplayable and made it semi-playable. Just as an example.
EDIT: I have both. The JPN version load times and encounter rate are unbearable.
I understand people not wanting the game. There's a few people that seem dead set against the idea that this is for Deluxe Editions.
Yeah, I'm not exactly all that hopeful that this works out. I'm interested in seeing exactly how much money does get pledged though. Should be interesting at least.
The type of game may change things though. Badman is perfect fodder for a cheap, $10 DD game, whereas Class of Heroes is going to be a beefier game. Plus some people already got Badman by the time that happened (I got it in a sale for I think $10), so screw pre-ordering a UMD. Here, if you already have it it's in Japanese, and that's never killed sales before far as I can tell.
Ah gotcha. Looked it up.
EternalGamer
Banned
Not just. Anyone who hung around the WD messages boards backin the day knows he made it very clear what his political allegiances are. But yeah all those "jokes" he added were generally bad.
AdventureMike
Member
This is very true and why it's so unfortunate that a DD copy of this couldn't have been part of the lower reward tiers. I know he couldn't get it but MAN does that hurt.
If the game is good enough, that's my plan.
This is a touchy issue. I support having talented/knowledgeable people make mechanical/balance changes. As you imply with those scare quotes, fixing games doesn't always work. Totally true. On the other hand, a lot of JRPGs have balance issues that I would like to see fixed, regardless of whether the original developers give their approval. I imagine collaborative efforts between a localization team and the original developers would be best for making solid changes to a game, but that's not always feasible.
A great compromise, when the resources are available, is to have both an Original and Remix mode. The possibility of options like that (for this and future games) is why I'm supporting this kickstart.
Jasper Avenue
Member
This whole Kickstarter thing is starting to get out of hand.
EternalGamer
Banned
Its not out of hand. There are just going to be shitty ones. Don't support them. Support the good ones. The idea isn't bad just because not every kickstarter is great.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Developer pitches oldschool 2D Adventure that they can't get support for from publishers
Developer pitches oldschool RPG that they can't get support for from publishers
Independent publisher pitches niche japanese RPG that wouldn't otherwise be able to get a physical release
OUT OF HAND
chickdigger802
Banned
no body pillow no sale.
FateBreaker
Member
You ain't seen nothin' yet.
EternalGamer
Banned
I don't think so. Vic Ireland seems to genuinely enjoy plastic bullshit.
However, it certainly will have the effect of free marketing/press.
Giolon
Member
$500K is a high mark. I don't think this is the right title to attempt this on. PSP's not exactly a hugely popular system outside of Japan (hey, don't shoot the messenger, I own one) - and then you're trying it out on a series most people have never heard of? I sure hadn't, and I like to think I follow gaming in general pretty closely.
Theortical rights issues aside, why not do this for something that western fans have been actively clamoring for?
Theortical rights issues aside, why not do this for something that western fans have been actively clamoring for?
Even as a "collector" you still have to back things that appeal to you. Been a fan of WD all my life and I'm still hesitant on backing this for a number of reasons.
A) Game is still coming out on DD
B) You're paying a phat price for the physical release on a dead platform.
C) Don't know what will be included in the special edition.
D) Reward tier increments are meager.
It's especially hilarious in this case, considering that this is the one time you actually don't buy a pig in a poke. If you pay for CoH2 you buy a game that is finished and release -- with a little research you know whether or not the game is something you'd like. In contrast to the other kickstarters where you simply have to put faith into the developers...
ActStriker
Member
Because of those rights issues you threw aside. Japanese side has to be willing to play ball too; just look back to a previous Vic Ireland post in this thread