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[teh_pwn]

Well, there has been shown to be a moderate reduction in heart disease if saturated fat is replaced with polyunsaturated fat in a person's diet. This may be due to health benefits of polyunsaturated fat, instead of the harmful effects of saturated fat.

In general, there hasn't been shown to be any link between the percentage of your intake being saturated fat and heart disease. Many cultures interestingly have much higher saturated fat intakes (such as the Inuit), but heart disease is very rare. The new killer these days is excessive carbohydrates. With our luck, it'll probably end up being a parasite or something.

Yep, and we think we know the mechanism.

Too many refined carbs->High Blood Sugar->Increased Triglycerides->Small dense LDL that gets stuck in artery walls and oxidizes->scar tissue/plaque->heart attack/stroke

But there's constantly pharma commercials about "cholesterol" clogging arteries like pipes. Nevermind that that LDL is a lipoprotein that contains triglycercides and cholesterol, and that the quantity is pretty much irrelevant. Statins used to reduce cholesterol are more likely to create hormonal deficiencies than prevent heart disease because it reduces cholesterol, the raw material for hormones, while doing nothing to address the cause of heart disease: small dense LDL + inflammation.

 

[Divvy]

Yep, and we think we know the mechanism.

Too many refined carbs->High Blood Sugar->Increased Triglycerides->Small dense LDL that gets stuck in artery walls and oxidizes->scar tissue/plaque->heart attack/stroke

But there's constantly pharma commercials about "cholesterol" clogging arteries like pipes. Nevermind that that LDL is a lipoprotein that contains triglycercides and cholesterol, and that the quantity is pretty much irrelevant. Statins used to reduce cholesterol are more likely to create hormonal deficiencies than prevent heart disease because it reduces cholesterol, the raw material for hormones, while doing nothing to address the cause of heart disease: small dense LDL + inflammation.

Are there any studies you would point to that support this? I have a hard time convincing people of this sometimes.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Things that are super delicious are always bad for health...

..... It is one of the Universe's cruelest jokes

 

[Price Dalton]

It's also interesting that statins have some anti-inflammatory effects, which may explain their (limited) effectiveness in certain patients. Other drugs that lower cholesterol even further (without reducing inflammation) have been shown to actually increase CVD.

Luckily, we can reduce inflammation without resorting to statins.

 

[teh_pwn]

Are there any studies you would point to that support this? I have a hard time convincing people of this sometimes.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/dirty-little-secret-of-diet-heart.html

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abs...fbf6b2a821cbddf9972e7ddd&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/260/13/1917

There's some more coherent stuff, but I've lost my bookmarks and I'm about to go to bed. I'd recommend watching one of Gary Taubes lectures. Or even just look up cholesterol on youtube, there's even quite a few doctors showing their doubts.

 

[Shouta]

no Cisco/Mad Dog 20 20?

testing was flawed.

edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-end_fortified_wine

wiki page of awesomeness.



holy shit. i have never even seen such a thing. thats fucking nuts.

Just for anyone wondering, they have these in Japan too. It's for people dragging luggage with them and may not be able to carry all of that upstairs in any form, i.e. tiny Japanese woman with suitcases as big as they are.

I've used them when I've had too much luggage too though.

 

[NomarTyme]

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/12/dirty-little-secret-of-diet-heart.html

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abs...fbf6b2a821cbddf9972e7ddd&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/260/13/1917

There's some more coherent stuff, but I've lost my bookmarks and I'm about to go to bed. I'd recommend watching one of Gary Taubes lectures. Or even just look up cholesterol on youtube, there's even quite a few doctors showing their doubts.

BAM!

 

[wenis]

moderation

Fuck that, Gimme all of it in one big bowl. Give me the KFC bowl special...desert style.

Well now I have to eat one.

Can I watch you?

 

[ch0mp]

BAM!

Is it possible to download this?

 

[NomarTyme]

Is it possible to download this?

I don't think so.. try youtube link.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

#3. McDonald’s Triple Thick Chocolate Shake (large, 32 fl oz)

NO!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THAT STUFF!!

 

[BronzeWolf]

BAM!

OMG thank you.

I have seen Tube's lectures enough already though

 

[Price Dalton]

Is it possible to download this?

Here is his entire book/argument summed up in thirty pages of notes.

http://higher-thought.net/complete-notes-to-good-calories-bad-calories/

 

[tokkun]

Peer review in science is a helpful thing however.

I can't say that I have a lot of trust in the nutrition science community.

Earlier this year a meta-analysis study that showed that saturated fats are not worse for you than unsaturated fats. Now, if this analysis is accurate, it boggles the mind as to how scientists have allowed the argument that saturated fats were extremely harmful to be perpetuated for so long.

There is an interesting article about the history of nutritionist's views on saturated fats here:
http://www.menshealth.com/men/healt.../article/a03ddd2eaab85110VgnVCM10000013281eac

 

[ch0mp]

Here is his entire book/argument summed up in thirty pages of notes.

http://higher-thought.net/complete-notes-to-good-calories-bad-calories/

Thanks I'll use that. I've actually already read the book, just thought a lecture like that would be nice to show to some friends and family.