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[antonz]

The prevailing wisdom seems to be the UK will have to accept similar terms to what Norway has. If that's the case, wouldn't you have to agree to follow many EU rules anyway? Including free transfer of people?

The Whole leave campaign was a sick joke as far as what they were promising. They promised half dead people a chance to relive the British Empire and promised Racists they would make England for English again.

Perfectly seen when they interviewed an 80 year old man crying about how he is 80 and doesn't have long left but he got his country back.

 

[Breakage]

The Whole leave campaign was a sick joke as far as what they were promising. They promised half dead people a chance to relive the British Empire and promised Racists they would make England for English again.

Perfectly seen when they interviewed an 80 year old man crying about how he is 80 and doesn't have long left but he got his country back.

Yup. Immigration isn't going to go down with Brexit.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Incredibly unacceptable.

 

[Famassu]

Utter rubbish, me voting to want to leave the EU has absolutely nothing to do with me being an empathetic human being, there are solid reasons as to why we should not be in the EU and that is why I voted to leave.

In this increasingly connected world, there really aren't. Very little UK couldn't do while still staying in the EU.

 

[Rodelero]

Utter rubbish, me voting to want to leave the EU has absolutely nothing to do with me being an empathetic human being, there are solid reasons as to why we should not be in the EU and that is why I voted to leave.

There's a vast gap between believing that there are solid reasons for leaving the EU and believing that, in this referendum, the best choice was Leave. I'm not in love with the EU by any means, but the political situation right now in the United Kingdom and specifically Scotland and Northern Ireland was so blatantly volatile, the 'plan' offered by Leave was so blatantly non-existant, and the individuals leading the Leave campaign were so blatantly vile and or pushing politics rather than principle. A vote to Leave was a vote for Scottish independence, a vote to Leave was a vote to obliterate Conservative and Labour parties, the only two major parties in Britain, a vote to Leave is a vote to destabilise Northern Ireland, possibly leading to it leaving the United Kingdom along with Scotland.

You're not a racist, but, my God, you are brave. You've taken an extraordinary risk with the country because there were problems with the way it was governed. Don't be surprised when what we get instead is much worse, at least in the short and medium term, under the hyper right wing government the Leave campaign has, effectively, elected.

 

[Don'tBeWeird]

Ever thought that might be a better idea? You know, working as empathic human beings together to rise up and fight against disgusting vile sub human pieces of garbage like the examples in the op?

You accept that the Leave side winning has encouraged racists to attack minorities, correct? With this in mind, would you change your vote to Remain if you were given the chance to go back in time and vote again, or do the benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the well-being and security of the people who have been attacked in the OP?

Surely, it would be more logical to nip racism in the bud, rather than rising up and taking action after we've allowed it to manifest and breed in the hostile post-Brexit environment we see ourselves in now.

 

[SuperGamer]

V For Vendetta predicted Brexit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukV0VZi7ksM

 

[SliChillax]

As an Albanian, I'm glad that I'm not continuing my studies in the UK anymore. Never liked Coventry anyway.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Oh God must we really have yet another thread boil down to this judgemental nonsense?

Are you really going to say that 17,410,742 people all voted out of racism? That says a lot more about you to be honest.


On topic it's absolutely disgusting, especially the ones aimed at schools. Racists are going to be racists though. They're doing it now out of a bizarre sense of victory, as if everyone of a different nationality or race is going to be thrown out of the UK. Had Remain one, they would have done it out of a sense of anger. Scum gonna be scum no matter what.

Maybe about 3-4 million, just enough to tip it over

 

[StrawberryJam]

Britain going back to its colonial roots. Abusing other cultures and leaving them for dead once they've had their fill.

Leave Scotland out of this buddy. We didn't want any of this shit.

 

[antonz]

Maybe about 3-4 million, just enough to tip it over

Yep if anything the best way to look at the leave campaign is to see it as an onion rotten at the core. UKIP etc. pushed this for ages in plain old racist language. They knew they could never win so they layered the rotten core with financial excuses, jobs, reliving the glory days etc.

In the end they built layer upon layer of issues they could attract people with meanwhile the origin was always the rotten core of racism. So yeah not everyone is racist but they sure as shit knew who was at the core of it all.

 

[Andeeeh]

Damn, I am staying in London for 2 days in August. If this shit keeps up, I would rather not go and not risk me and my girlfriend getting subjected to this sort of shit.

 

[Joni]

Still waiting to hear at least one good thing (besides getting rid of cameron) that came out of this. It's opened up a huge divide in our country (and between us and other eu countries) and has likely left everyone worse off for it. And we've become the laughing stock of the world. Empty claims about taking our country back just aren't doing it for me.

It will be the end of a failed political union.

 

[Cotton McKnight]

I'm raging right now. What have we become.

I hope your country gets a re-vote, hopefully it would stop this silliness.

The idea that people are ignorant enough to believe that leaving the EU would mean deportation, is staggering.

 

[Speely]

A good friend of mine voted Leave. Used to hang with him real hard and pound beers on the roof of my flat while listening to weird post-rock and power violence bands. He and his mates used to say some questionable shit about immigrants, but I was new to London and thought maybe it was just some harmless shit that they didn't mean. It was never hostile, but it was enough to make me uncomfortable.

The upside is that after what has actually happened, he is now backtracking somewhat, but I am still not even his friend anymore right now.

No matter your motives, don't throw your lot in with bigots if you aren't prepared to be judged for supporting bigotry. The stakes are too high to half step.

 

[Zelias]

I know a whole shitload of outright racist and even more diet racist folks who are thrilled about Brexit.

So Leave may not in itself be racist, but it has one hell of a fan club in racists.

Brexit: Not racist, but #1 with racists

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I think a lot of the immigration talk from non racists comes about because of the UK benefits system. I know a lot of people who are not annoyed by migrants coming here to work, but annoyed because some of them don't work and claim our benefits, without paying into the system.

As someone who has worked since I was 18 (32 now) I don't believe in handouts, especially when some people can claim more in benefits than working a full time job in some cases.

This goes for lazy British people too, benefits should be cut, we have gotten too soft and we shouldn't be handing out money but using that money for creating more jobs, so people can work.

The only exception to this should be disabled and pensioners of course.

I read an article on the BBC a few years ago which suggested that the proportion of migrants who come into this country and claim benefits was almost exactly on par with the proportion of native Britons who do the same, and I seem to recall it was about 1.5-2%. Wish I could find the article but I didn't make a note of it and I've never found it since. I showed it to my mum to try and dispel this sort of shit that immigrants come to this country, are instantly given housing and benefits and send some of that money home, but I don't think it worked.

 

[RedShift]

Damn, I am staying in London for 2 days in August. If this shit keeps up, I would rather not go and not risk me and my girlfriend getting subjected to this sort of shit.

London will be fine. Just don't go out into the bloated corpse that is the rest of England.

 

[Maledict]

People in this thread are supporting bigotry when they agree with people who claim everyone who voted brexit is a racist or a supporter of racists so that's kind of a hypocritical stance.

You're being a bigot by calling out bigots!

That argument has never worked. Ever.

If you stand with racists, and rely on the vote of racists, then you cannot sharing your shoulders and say 'not me'. Like every republican who votes for the party but says 'I love gay people' it simply doesn't wash. Actions count, words are cheap - and you stood shoulder to shoulder with a campaign based on racism, bigotry and xenophobia. It doesn't matter whether you want to think yourself seperate - no-one else does, and clearly from this thread and the news reprints neither do the racists.

Lie down with dogs, you get fleas. You don't get to disown your actions. You chose to side with racists - own it.

 

[DaveMG]

London will be fine. Just don't go out into the bloated corpse that is the rest of England.

Come on. These people are disgusting but they are a very very small minority in over 17 million leave voters if there were 17000 people doing this it would still only be 0.1% of the leave voters and its not anywhere near that many. Lots of people in this thread are in danger of doing what these idiots are. Making generalizations based on a small minority.

 

[BigDes]

Phil0sophy I am curious, what actions did you take to counter the arguments of the racist and fascist groups that were campaigning? I get that you wanted to leave and so did they but you did call them out when they said blatantly incorrect or offensive shit right?

I mean you didn't happily stand smiling with them because your interests aligned right? No one would be that absurdly cynical.

 

[Timedog]

The Trump supporter parallels seem more and more accurate. Idiocracy was right.

 

[Condom]

You can call people idiots but some really feel neglected by the state unlike people with good education and good jobs who are doing fine.

 

[hodgy100]

Not racist just #1 with racists.

 

[ferrasvansen]

You can call people idiots but some really feel neglected by the state unlike people with good education and good jobs who are doing fine.

So that justifies racism and violence to immigrants fucking hell....

 

[neojubei]

V For Vendetta predicted Brexit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukV0VZi7ksM

I was going to post this

 

[fabricated backlash]

The Trump supporter parallels seem more and more accurate. Idiocracy was right.

At this point Idiocracy looks like a best case scenario.

 

[knavish]

I was racially abused in a shit hole town in Surrey (South of London) on Thursday morning. Literally hours after the result was announced. But thats the 4th time in 8 years in this town.

Its been white van drivers EVERY time. its easy to shout stuff at people when you drive by, come say it to my face. Cowards.

I'm getting quite used to it so not letting it get to me.

There was already a large feeling of racism in Redhill anyway, lot of BNP (british national party) banners/window stickers in houses around the area.

 

[ferrasvansen]

I was going to post this

I remember watching that thinking.. that will be us in 20 years, but damn wass i wrong it was more like 5 years.

 

[Korey]

What were the non-racist reasons for voting Leave?

 

[KarneeKarnay]

Guys please don't judge the English by these idiots.

Social media if anything has made it easier for Idiots to be Loud Idiots. There are 67+ million people in this country. Half voted remain and half voted leave. I don't think half my country are racists. I think there are a vocal minority who are using this result as vindication for their views.

The only thing that needs to be done now is for the the police to clamp down on this asap. People are afraid and they shouldn't have to be.

 

[kharma45]

What were the non-racist reasons for voting Leave?

Some people just aren't a fan of the EU and how it works, which is fair enough.

 

[exmachina64]

What were the non-racist reasons for voting Leave?

Being able to buy your chickens from Farmer John.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'm lucky I got out of the country before this all went down.

And even more fortunate that I'll be away for the whole year on a placement.

Not looking forward to returning to my University in Salford next year :v

 

[Greddleok]

This makes me so sad.

So not only now do we have to deal with the inevitable economic fallout associated with leaving the EU, we also have to deal with and increase violence and racism. All of which is essentially legitimised by the vote.

I really wish there was a law that said the referendum needs a minimum of 60% majority. 51% is essentially a coin toss.

 

[Elaugaufein]

This makes me so sad.

So not only now do we have to deal with the inevitable economic fallout associated with leaving the EU, we also have to deal with and increase violence and racism. All of which is essentially legitimised by the vote.

I really wish there was a law that said the referendum needs a minimum of 60% majority. 51% is essentially a coin toss.

Referendums are non-binding so a threshold makes no sense. Even if a referendum was binding it makes no sense to put hard limits on them as a classification, theres no reason that changing a flag or national anthem would require 2/3rds of the vote. Thresholds might make sense for some referendums (like leaving the world's largest trading block) but referendums of such import aren't exactly common.

 

[FlammableD]

Actions have consequences. You voted leave, you can consider yourself not a racist, and that's fine, I'm not going to call you a racist.

But your vote has endorsed, emboldened, and given a victory to the shithead racist section of this country. Undeniably, undisputably. They think they won, and Britain agrees with them.

 

[Scaramanger]

Actions have consequences. You voted leave, you can consider yourself not a racist, and that's fine, I'm not going to call you a racist.

But your vote has endorsed, emboldened, and given a victory to the shithead racist section of this country. Undeniably, undisputably. They think they won, and Britain agrees with them.

I voted remain but I feel I need to comment here; what is it it you are suggesting leave voters should have done? Are you suggesting that they should have voted against what they believed best for their families and the country so as not to embolden the scum of the country? I'm as sad as anyone about the result but implying people should have voted against their beliefs incase an undesirable person agreed with them seems to defy the whole point of a democracy?

 

[RazMaTaz]

Ive experienced this not so long ago. Some old man didnt like I parked on his road, and went on a complete rant:

"go back to your country, go **** yourself you immigrant". Not like the police did anything. I park their daily and all you see is him giving me dirty looks. I just smile and laugh, because it will piss him off to no end.

I expect more disgusting behaviour soon like this by many. I seen so many people who are multicultural friends of mine on facebook record some bigotry at train/bus stations. Its just pathetic.

 

[FlammableD]

I voted remain but I feel I need to comment here; what is it it you are suggesting leave voters should have done? Are you suggesting that they should have voted against what they believed best for their families and the country so as not to embolden the scum of the country? I'm as sad as anyone about the result but implying people should have voted against their beliefs incase an undesirable person agreed with them seems to defy the whole point of a democracy?

Honestly? I've not seen anyone who thought this was better for anyone. At best, it was a protest vote rather than an explicitly racist one.

That said, I would take it under consideration. If some awful people promised me policies that would make me more money if I voted for them, I'd take their position into account when I considered voting for them. It'd be nice if people thought about others rather than fuck you I got mine.

And even ignoring all that, if you voted leave, and you have good reasons, and you thought about it, and decided it was best, recognize that the right wing is surging as a result, and if you don't agree with them, and don't want them on side, speak up against them, come together to fight that section of British society. Because the bulk of responses to "racism is on the rise due to Brexit", isn't Brexiters denouncing racism, it's Brexiters pushing "NOT ALL BREXITERS".

 

[Jackpot]

It's getting worse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Are you really going to say that 17,410,742 people all voted out of racism? That says a lot more about you to be honest.

BREXIT

Not racist, but number one with racists.

 

[Scaramanger]

And even ignoring all that, if you voted leave, and you have good reasons, and you thought about it, and decided it was best, recognize that the right wing is surging as a result, and if you don't agree with them, and don't want them on side, speak up against them, come together to fight that section of British society. Because the bulk of responses to "racism is on the rise due to Brexit", isn't Brexiters denouncing racism, it's Brexiters pushing "NOT ALL BREXITERS".

Yes exactly decent people and the law of the land need to stamp down on these thugs, however that's brexiters and remainers combined. The responsibility to do this cannot be passed and is incumbent on all of us.

I'm sure all decent people agree with that but perhaps approaching it along the lines of 'brexit has caused this therefore it's partly your fault' is putting people on the defensive.

 

[Greddleok]

BREXIT

Not racist, but number one with racists.

White people

Not racist, but number one with racists.

 

[Hasney]

Yes exactly decent people and the law of the land need to stamp down on these thugs, however that's brexiters and remainers combined. The responsibility to do this cannot be passed and is incumbent on all of us.

I'm sure all decent people agree with that but perhaps approaching it along the lines of 'brexit has caused this therefore it's partly your fault' is putting people on the defensive.

I've said it earlier in the thread, but all of us need to do more. It's one thing to just type out "wankers" on the internet and hope it stops, but when they have their little demos, we need to go out and get others to do the same to make them know they're outnumbered and what they're saying and doing is not OK.

 

[Scaramanger]

I've said it earlier in the thread, but all of us need to do more. It's one thing to just type out "wankers" on the internet and hope it stops, but when they have their little demos, we need to go out and get others to do the same to make them know they're outnumbered and what they're saying and doing is not OK.

100% agree. This is not the time for a Twitter storm

 

[Boozeroony]

Sick racists... It had been boiling under the surface for so long. In the UK and other countries, mainly under the working/lower class.

How did it come this far? Economic crises? Immigration? I would say it is a reaction on the way governments tried to cope with the changing worlds since the beginning of this century. The 'elite' and the lower class live in two completely separate worlds now: the latte drinking hipsters never meet the beer drinking chavs.

I see it all the time here, in the Netherlands. The highly educated opinion makers, scientists, lawyers and politicians are less affected by the negative effects of policy making. They support immigration 'a gratuit', as their wellbeing is not affected by it and as a bonus they can show the public their 'good heart'. Many others, in less fortunate conditions, see this: the successful elite being PC, while it is they who pay the price. People are envious, jealous and frustrated. Racist feeling thrive in this environment, as they see all these 'others' as a product of the shameless PC behaviour of the elite.

Yes, they are racist. Racists are bad. But we should be looking at the cause and at ourselves too. We need the working class and they need us. Most of my friends have a university degree and I meet many highlyeducated people. I hear a lot of disdainful and degrading opinions regarding lowly educated people, referring to them as 'Tokkies' and suggesting certain limits to the right to vote (IQ or knowledge of the subject).

There is much more under the surface than just racism.

 

[MarkMclovin]

It's getting worse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

It isn't getting worse. It's getting more focus.

 

[tkscz]

I've said it earlier in the thread, but all of us need to do more. It's one thing to just type out "wankers" on the internet and hope it stops, but when they have their little demos, we need to go out and get others to do the same to make them know they're outnumbered and what they're saying and doing is not OK.

So much this. Can't let these people assume this is whats wanted. Have to take power away from them by showing their views aren't the majority.

White people

Not racist, but number one with racists.

There is irony here.

 

[Hazzuh]

What were the non-racist reasons for voting Leave?

Old Labour didn't like the EU because of the reason's socialists don't like free trade deals (it's a plot by the capitalists), Conservative MPs don't like it because they are traditionalists who think parliament should be sovereign and all that.