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N-GAF Eve Online Corp Part Deux
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â Narayan
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Correct.
Oblivionmancer
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Do note that if you take enough missions that involve blowing up the other empire factions, eventually they will get mad enough at you to ban you from their space. I would strongly recommend declining missions that involve fighting the other empire faction navies (so if the enemy listed in the mission details is amarr, minmatar, gallente, or caldari, don't accept the mission). There are theoretically ways to claw those standings back up but it is incredibly difficult.
So what's the best skill path to go down at the start of the game? Right now I'm shooting for salvaging (Mechanic and Survey III I believe), but I really am completely clueless despite having played multiple trials before (I usually try and get Learning to 4 and then go through the certificates).
â Narayan
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It's good to focus on your core skills first, and your social skills second if you plan on missioning.
That's what I did, anyway.
That's what I did, anyway.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Edit - somehow missed that there was page two - comment irrelevant.
BattleMonkey
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Kenak said:
Whatever skills will help you with initial missions as that is what is going to earn you much of your starting money. While you grind out missions, train for the more social skills and such so that you can eventually branch out.
oktarb
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Kenak said:
You generally get the training book for social skills thru main story quests but you can of course buy them
They increase the rate in which you gain faction standing with certain groups. Which can be a time saver if you're trying to grind faction.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Missions_Guide
oktarb
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JWong said:
It doesn't really matter. Your race will determine what type of ships you'll fly better at the start. You can however cross train to fly any ship there is. In the beginning though you'll start with skills to fly ships for your race. Some people like to stay true to there race and others fly what ever they want.
The Drake, arguable one of the best solo ships in Caladari. You'll get to it faster if you pick caldari as your race. But any race can get there with a little extra training time.
Also if you have a corp you want to join see where they are. Its nice to ge in the area they operate out of. See how close you are. a 30+ jump route is no fun for a noob.
oktarb
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Kenak said:
The age old question. I break it up into two main paths. Combat and non-combat.
if you combat you'll focus on combat skills (duh) and run missions, maybe to PvP or combat patrols for your Corp. Can't go wrong with combat path as there's always something to do and its a key pillar of EVE.
The non-combat path encompasses everything else; Mining, salvaging, exploration, trading, research, manufacturing, courier runs, Planet mining, running a POS, blockade running. These tend to take a lot of commitment to make money and be successful at but add a layer to your gaming experience that isn't found in many games. Each one of these things could be a full career and a lot of people run/pay multiple accounts so they can have training going on these.
I myself have one combat character, one industrial character and one character that I've trained in super corporation skills. Someday I want to run a corp. shoot me.
â Narayan
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If you ever get around to some serious mining, always do it in a group with an escort. You do not want to get ganked in one of those.JWong said:
indigo-cyclops
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JWong said:
Be careful, I just got one of my better ships blown to shit yesterday and may or may not have lost some training progress since I forgot to upgrade my clone. I did however take out insurance. Every time I've been in that system I've been blown to bits by gate campers. I'm only two jumps from it as well.
Ganking Hulks is so easy and Mining is so boring, I wouldn't train for one. My alt can fly one and it's a complete waste of SP.
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/483022 typical pubbie fit, with insurance you lose a few million and kill something that costs so much more.
â Narayan
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Which system? Were you in lowsec or nullsec? If you were, and you just started the game, DON'T GO TO LOW OR NULLSEC.INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
You can get ganked in highsec as well, but less folks are willing to risk getting blown up by Concord.
indigo-cyclops
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It was in Lisbaetaenne, where the N-GAF HQ is. 0.3 sec. I've been playing for a few months now so I know of the risks and all that.
Oblivionmancer
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Now now, lets not go all reefer madness on the lowsec thing. You just need to be careful, and know the mechanics. Certainly you shouldn't fly through a lowsec entrance unprepared, and not if you have no particular reason for being in lowsec.
As for a war, all a war is in the formal mechanical terms is paying for the right to kill members of a given corporation anywhere without reprisal. Lowsec pirates happily ganking anyone who jumps into lisbaetaenne unprepared aren't likely to bother with a formal declaration of war. They're just out for targets of opportunity. Now it may well be that they live in the area and regularly camp that entry point. The truth though about most pirates is that they're pretty lazy, and just want easy, uncontested kills. Be informed, fitted, and prepared enough not to fall into that category and you should be fine.
Oh, and if you get podded in lowsec, you either got really unlucky or messed up pretty bad; which is okay, just another wrinkle of the mechanics that you need to be briefed on. Specifically, pods align for warp basically instantaneously; if you take proper advantage of that fact, opponents shouldn't really have a chance to lock down your pod to kill it in lowsec (the rules are different in 0.0). If you are in a fight that you know you can't win, have a planet, asteroid belt, or other celestial selected before you ship goes down; as soon as it does immediately hit the warp button on the options under your selected celestial and you'll be off to safety. Some well put together camps are set up specifically for near instant lock ons, so those might catch you, and then there's smartbombing battleships that just spam area of effect damage which will nuke your pod without requiring a lock. Aside from those instances your pod should be pretty much safe in lowsec.
As for a war, all a war is in the formal mechanical terms is paying for the right to kill members of a given corporation anywhere without reprisal. Lowsec pirates happily ganking anyone who jumps into lisbaetaenne unprepared aren't likely to bother with a formal declaration of war. They're just out for targets of opportunity. Now it may well be that they live in the area and regularly camp that entry point. The truth though about most pirates is that they're pretty lazy, and just want easy, uncontested kills. Be informed, fitted, and prepared enough not to fall into that category and you should be fine.
Oh, and if you get podded in lowsec, you either got really unlucky or messed up pretty bad; which is okay, just another wrinkle of the mechanics that you need to be briefed on. Specifically, pods align for warp basically instantaneously; if you take proper advantage of that fact, opponents shouldn't really have a chance to lock down your pod to kill it in lowsec (the rules are different in 0.0). If you are in a fight that you know you can't win, have a planet, asteroid belt, or other celestial selected before you ship goes down; as soon as it does immediately hit the warp button on the options under your selected celestial and you'll be off to safety. Some well put together camps are set up specifically for near instant lock ons, so those might catch you, and then there's smartbombing battleships that just spam area of effect damage which will nuke your pod without requiring a lock. Aside from those instances your pod should be pretty much safe in lowsec.
Cuban Legend
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My next question is... Why the hell is the NGAF HQ in lowsec?
But it doesnt matter since we can use people and places, right?
But it doesnt matter since we can use people and places, right?
Oblivionmancer
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Cuban Legend said:
Yeah no reason to go there just to apply. It would definitely be good to get everyone joining up in that general area (or some general area) especially if you want to work on running missions together. The way mission agents work has changed recently so that there are pretty much good groups of agents available everywhere. The highsec right next to the office has some agents within a few jumps I'm fairly sure. I'd be curious to actually hear about how big this group of pirates is that keeps killing off people. Might be able to give them a nasty surprise if we showed up prepared.
indigo-cyclops
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Arnon is two jumps away, has the Sisters of Eve arc for anyone interested, and is .6. Never had a problem there either so that's where most of my gear is stashed. Lisbaetanne just fucks me every time I try to enter. I'm not really that great with the combat I suppose.
Thanks!
â Narayan
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I'm docked in Arnon, and probably will be for awhile, so let me know if you guys want to mission together. I'm in EVE University right now. It might be wise for N-GAF to set up a Non-Agression Pact with us.
Mailman 007
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I hate when that happens lolJWong said:
indigo-cyclops
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Cool, what is your character name? I'm there as well.
I'm just now realizing my skill training has been sort of all over the place. I'm going to focus more on industry/science from now on.
Mr_Appleby
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INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
i'll be heading over there shortly too. i'm the guy with appleby in his name
.4 (Unless it has actually went down)INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
I didn't have a problem flying in, out, and around. I even got in with a slow industrial ship full of all my junk (And only have an unloaded 125MM rail gun to protect me)
I'll likely play some more once the update comes out, but till then I am going to be busy.
Though really, why is the HQ in the spot its in?
Also, what skill allows you to sell stuff in a station you aren't in?
The Shift
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Drkirby said:
That skill is 'Marketing'
Having that HQ in a low-sec system is going to be tough for new players. It might be good for learning PVP and piracy but for players starting out and trying to get the grips on the interface/game it's going to be a hard slog. You can rent offices in Dodixie (the main Gallente trade system) for under 20 million ISK per month at both Nugoeihuvi Corporation stations. There are many L1-L4 agents around that part of the woods and access to low-sec is only a few jumps away. Incursions also spawn not far from here as well. The run to Jita is about 16 jumps if you really want to get up there and look at contracts or buy/sell.
â Narayan
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Alignment speed is vessel dependent, so, unless you're willing to jump in a smaller vessel, there's no way to make the trip faster.Drkirby said:
EVElopedia - Aligning
The Shift
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Drkirby said:
Depends really. If you are going to a market for something like a skill book or implants then use a shuttle which will speed up the travel time quite a lot. If you are thinking of moving large amounts of loot around to sell at market/s then bare in mind you can generally recycle all the junk, and just sell the meta 3 and 4 items(I only sell the more lucrative meta 4 items as a rule) along with the minerals you get from recycling. Right click on the column header area and add 'meta' level. Transfer everything to the station hangar and sort by meta level and look at what is valuable to the market and put those items aside in a station container or transport vessel. Right click select all, then right click again and select reprocess and you are left with the base materials to sell at market or use for manufacturing.
There isn't one hard rule to it though - do what suits you at the time.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Hah. I just got my Tristan ship destroyed. I accidentally found my self in 0.4 sec space and I was able to successfully dock with a station, but leaving I took a little too much time and an enemy player in a larger ship (battlecruiser?) scrambled my warp drive and took me out in 1-2 shots.
Not a big loss really since I got the ship from a tutorial mission, but I did lose a few nicer modules and some ammo. I was able to warp away after that though so he didn't pod kill me on purpose (or wasn't fast enough to lock on), but the guy definitely did go after a low hanging fruit. I'm not aligned with anything besides University of Caille.
Anyway, I'll probably sell off most of my stuff and transfer it over to another account in the next day or two when my boxed copy comes from Amazon - losing a few days of training isn't a big deal.
My current goal is to be able to fly a black/covert ops ship, but it seems like training up to that takes a decent amount of time.
Will join up with either the GAF corp or EVE Uni for a bit to get my bearings more after I start on the main account.
One last thing - which is the best wiki/database to use? None of them seem that great compared to the likes of wowhead or wowpedia.
Not a big loss really since I got the ship from a tutorial mission, but I did lose a few nicer modules and some ammo. I was able to warp away after that though so he didn't pod kill me on purpose (or wasn't fast enough to lock on), but the guy definitely did go after a low hanging fruit. I'm not aligned with anything besides University of Caille.
Anyway, I'll probably sell off most of my stuff and transfer it over to another account in the next day or two when my boxed copy comes from Amazon - losing a few days of training isn't a big deal.
My current goal is to be able to fly a black/covert ops ship, but it seems like training up to that takes a decent amount of time.
Will join up with either the GAF corp or EVE Uni for a bit to get my bearings more after I start on the main account.
One last thing - which is the best wiki/database to use? None of them seem that great compared to the likes of wowhead or wowpedia.
indigo-cyclops
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remnant said:
Thanks for the heads up!
Sorry for the confusion about Lisb's security rating, it is 0.4. Not sure where I saw 0.3 or if it was a typo.
Black Ops are pretty much useless at the moment, there only real use is to bridge people into a system, generally on top of an enemy gang(hot-dropping). They're also like 600m each. CovOps are good for scanning stuff out and scouting, but it's more of something you'd train another account for rather than train for it on a main.CarbonatedFalcon said:
Best thing to train for when you're new is to work towards Battlecruisers, they're good at PvP and PvE, pretty cheap, and you'll be able to work towards T2 weapons.