OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm amazed sorcerer made it this long. He was a constant shit poster and force of negativity. Didn't peg him for that kind of person however.
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Piku_Ringo
Banned
Lionel Richie
Member
Which one are you referring to?
Leyasu
Banned
Nice to see things getting a little stricter on here.
Although, the COVID thread in off topic has been totally hijacked and turned into a shit-hole conspiracy anti-vax/anti-mask/"it's just seasonal" thread and should be nuked. Then restart it, and moderate so that people can share info, without having to battle the same people on every page.
Nuke the politics sub. It is terrible.
And please get tougher in the gaming section. Fanboys on both sides stricken nearly every thread. Most days the front page is a celebration of fanboyism
Although, the COVID thread in off topic has been totally hijacked and turned into a shit-hole conspiracy anti-vax/anti-mask/"it's just seasonal" thread and should be nuked. Then restart it, and moderate so that people can share info, without having to battle the same people on every page.
Nuke the politics sub. It is terrible.
And please get tougher in the gaming section. Fanboys on both sides stricken nearly every thread. Most days the front page is a celebration of fanboyism
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ManofOne
Plus Member
what a robocop can’t be a colonel? What are you anti military.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Can Bobby fly? We never found out.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
No I'm anti technology and anti fast food, sir. And you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting this abomination
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ManofOne
Plus Member
No I'm anti technology and anti fast food, sir. And you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting this abomination
His main catch phrase is, “Dead or Alive you’re coming with me chicken. “
sobaka770
Banned
Damn, I had to step away to work for a week without browsing GAF much and I missed the big nukening it seems. Just my 2 cents:
1. Overdue. Yes, hate me if you will, but Politics needed a cleansing for a long time and if it took such a vile act to trigger changes - so be it, but it's a bit of a shame it had to escalate to such degree. And yes, some of those posters were prolific and were around for a long time but what's the point if 90% of it was garbage and Tweet-threads about right-wing conspiracy theories that consistently fail to materialise or worse - showed GAF as a community in a very different light from what the majority in Gaming and OT is, giving fodder to ERA and other communities to shun the site altogether? I can respect a person with a clear stance be it progressive or conservative but sometimes a spade is a spade: what was actually happening is the right-wing-reee circle-jerk. You can tolerate it, laugh at it, try to reason - but I'm not sad to see it go.
2. Sad. Ok well, maybe I am just a bit sad that discourse seems to be temporarily stifled and people who I know disagree with me on different topics but are a reasonable and intelligent lot are afraid and uncertain.. I know that most people in politics pin me as some kind of leftist but I do not see myself that way and I hope that especially in view of latest bans we don't lose some of that right-wing sensible posting as it's important to debate without fear of repercussion. We need some time to reassess and reevaluate some fringe stances, mostly right-wing (because we already do a good job of getting rid of fringe left-wing stances to be clear) but globally I hope the debate is not stifled and people who stick around can express their view in OT, Gaming or Politics as long as it's justified and reasonable with confidence as debate is important.
3. Politics section should stay. Both as a separate from Off-Topic but also given a chance to breathe and start new conversations. This is an end of many things but also an opportunity to do better, raise the level of discussion. I think overall it's pretty clear that be it social media, lockdowns or just the rise of populism (and they are all correlated for sure) - the discussion has become polarized and unhealthy be it from left-wing zealots who scream Nazi at a sight of a white-cis-male-privilege or a 20-year old joke on Twittter or right-wing conspiracies about racism not being a problem and world succumbing to the wave of wokeness making us sheep through Covid vaccination. Clearly, this creates a gap in the middle where opinions clash too hard and people get alienated in two camps at war. This doesn't have to be this way - surely we can debate, agree of disagree in a way that doesn't immediately paint the other side as SJW-naive-warrior or Nazi-supremacist-gun-lover? I look forward to seeing GAF coming out stronger from this and maybe short-term lose some steam but getting better for it.
1. Overdue. Yes, hate me if you will, but Politics needed a cleansing for a long time and if it took such a vile act to trigger changes - so be it, but it's a bit of a shame it had to escalate to such degree. And yes, some of those posters were prolific and were around for a long time but what's the point if 90% of it was garbage and Tweet-threads about right-wing conspiracy theories that consistently fail to materialise or worse - showed GAF as a community in a very different light from what the majority in Gaming and OT is, giving fodder to ERA and other communities to shun the site altogether? I can respect a person with a clear stance be it progressive or conservative but sometimes a spade is a spade: what was actually happening is the right-wing-reee circle-jerk. You can tolerate it, laugh at it, try to reason - but I'm not sad to see it go.
2. Sad. Ok well, maybe I am just a bit sad that discourse seems to be temporarily stifled and people who I know disagree with me on different topics but are a reasonable and intelligent lot are afraid and uncertain.. I know that most people in politics pin me as some kind of leftist but I do not see myself that way and I hope that especially in view of latest bans we don't lose some of that right-wing sensible posting as it's important to debate without fear of repercussion. We need some time to reassess and reevaluate some fringe stances, mostly right-wing (because we already do a good job of getting rid of fringe left-wing stances to be clear) but globally I hope the debate is not stifled and people who stick around can express their view in OT, Gaming or Politics as long as it's justified and reasonable with confidence as debate is important.
3. Politics section should stay. Both as a separate from Off-Topic but also given a chance to breathe and start new conversations. This is an end of many things but also an opportunity to do better, raise the level of discussion. I think overall it's pretty clear that be it social media, lockdowns or just the rise of populism (and they are all correlated for sure) - the discussion has become polarized and unhealthy be it from left-wing zealots who scream Nazi at a sight of a white-cis-male-privilege or a 20-year old joke on Twittter or right-wing conspiracies about racism not being a problem and world succumbing to the wave of wokeness making us sheep through Covid vaccination. Clearly, this creates a gap in the middle where opinions clash too hard and people get alienated in two camps at war. This doesn't have to be this way - surely we can debate, agree of disagree in a way that doesn't immediately paint the other side as SJW-naive-warrior or Nazi-supremacist-gun-lover? I look forward to seeing GAF coming out stronger from this and maybe short-term lose some steam but getting better for it.
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Ornlu
Banned
elektrokats
: Banned for a mild critique (unless he asked for a ban elsewhere or something)
Ixiah
: Banned for election fraud comment. Tame compared to some of the stuff being thrown around and the posters that seem to be trolling/ban fishing
Super Mario
: Already talked about in this thread.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
You can wrongthink whatever you want
You can't wrongsay whatever you want
While you do have the freedoms to say most things, that doesn't mean there's not consequences to those actions
You can't wrongsay whatever you want
While you do have the freedoms to say most things, that doesn't mean there's not consequences to those actions
prag16
Banned
1. Some of the posters that got nuked I don't really see as those kinds of posters though. (Others definitely are/were.)
2. My main concern. We'll have to see how it plays out. As I said in the 'new rules' thread I don't like the nebulousness of what is 'fringe'. "Steele Dossier is bullshit" would probably be considered fringe/conspiracy if the current rules were in place at that time. How would posting and discussing the NY Post coverage of the Hunter Biden scandal have been handled if thiese rulres were in place at that time? Just two examples.
3. Yes, it should definitely stay. It was brought in for good reasons which are still valid, even after 'the purge'. As for the COVID stuff, I'm hoping that criticizing people with 'coronaphobia' is still allowed since I'm sure shitting on people who "don't take it seriously enough" will never be bannable.
Wait, Super Mario is gone? Fuck. Missed that one. RIP in peace brother.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
How so? There is a legit case to be made that it wasn't reliable.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Those were handled with the rules appropriately at the time of their prevalence
The rules have changed, so they're now being handled with the new rules appropriately
We can dote on the past all we would like, or we could look to the future and start making steps forwards towards that
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
"at the time."
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like some of the bans were reduced. Stouffers, for example, returns at the end of the month. That's good.
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PhoenixTank
Member
Would somewhat agree - might be a little heavy handed on this one if it was just that response. EL even liked the post?
The tone is a bit aggressive but not full on like some of the attacks on GAF. Era thread is still there... but they aren't. One to look at when the dust settles?
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Bolivar687
Banned
Some of these members just shouldn't have gotten temps, let alone the perms they caught, and I would be very suspicious of any mod or staff member involved in some of these decisions. I am all for tightening up Politics and precluding the Lin Wood/Sidney Powell type threads but when I click on a lot of these posts provided on the ban page, it's just not anything to do with that. Some of them expressly say the opposite of the reason they got banned in the very same post. This feels a lot like the same mod activity we saw in 2016 and 2017 and it's a very ominous feeling, as if the entire GAF comeback is now being squandered.
I was already scaling back from Politics as it is but now some of my favorite posters from off topic and community threads aren't here anymore. I'll still mess with gaming but my interest is actively dwindling. I hope some of the feedback here and in Meta is being considered and some kind of review of recent moderation will be carried out.
I was already scaling back from Politics as it is but now some of my favorite posters from off topic and community threads aren't here anymore. I'll still mess with gaming but my interest is actively dwindling. I hope some of the feedback here and in Meta is being considered and some kind of review of recent moderation will be carried out.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
prag16
Banned
My question is how would those two particular topics (just as examples, probably not the only ones) have been handled if the CURRENT rules had been in place back when those topics were initially in the news. It's relevant imo, and it isn't irrationally dwelling on the past to want it answered.
Indeed.
ManofOne
Plus Member
"NeoGAF is a forum for holding civil, evidence-based discussion. Do not post disingenuously, or in an inflammatory manner for the sole purpose of upsetting others. Negative commentary and minority opinions are not frowned upon, but members are expected to be able to substantiate their positions. At the same time, do not derail threads around yourself or attempt to respond to every single reaction among dozens after posting a comment that is reacted to severely en masse."
And then you add conspiracy stuff. Articles from the NY Posts aren't conspiracy and would have the same equivalency as something from the Daily Mail. They're just asking for some due diligence before you post something. If you're going to post Lin Wood (who has a track record is known for being wrong and inflammatory),then of course you're going to be banned. You don't need to be the first to rush and post a story. Just wait and let the story be fact checked or gain some traction at-least.
As for personal opinion threads or comments on serious topics, e.g I think the COVID-Vaccine is tainted, then post your opinion as to why and link so facts to it (not from some random 4chan user). The flow of information is prominent enough almost any one could make a viable argument.
That's my take.
And then you add conspiracy stuff. Articles from the NY Posts aren't conspiracy and would have the same equivalency as something from the Daily Mail. They're just asking for some due diligence before you post something. If you're going to post Lin Wood (who has a track record is known for being wrong and inflammatory),then of course you're going to be banned. You don't need to be the first to rush and post a story. Just wait and let the story be fact checked or gain some traction at-least.
As for personal opinion threads or comments on serious topics, e.g I think the COVID-Vaccine is tainted, then post your opinion as to why and link so facts to it (not from some random 4chan user). The flow of information is prominent enough almost any one could make a viable argument.
That's my take.
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prag16
Banned
This doesn't exactly seem constructive.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
It's a conspiracy.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Are you sure about that? What are the most glaring examples, in your opinion?
prag16
Banned
Liberty4all
gone for good? After he already said a few days ago that he'd voluntarily take a month off from the site to cool off? Damn that's cold. Did something else happen? 13+ year old account gone in a flash. RIP.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Homeboy knew the stakes and played his hand anyway.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
"At the time", there was still a legit case that the dossier wasn't reliable given that it didn't have enough strong evidence vouching for its reliability. Each case should be considered on its own merits, and not just lumped into "conspiracy" just because that's what the other side calls it.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Wow!!! The cat experiment man and the Canadian man puppet both got banned say it ain't so
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Schrodinger and Liberty gone?
Figured they’d be able to rein it in a bit. Found them both insufferable personally, but you couldn’t fault their commitment to making a point or an argument.
Edit - ok, yikes. July 4th is not like January 6th. He’d probably retract that at a different time. I think things will be calmer after Biden’s been shuffling around The West Wing for a month or two.
Figured they’d be able to rein it in a bit. Found them both insufferable personally, but you couldn’t fault their commitment to making a point or an argument.
Edit - ok, yikes. July 4th is not like January 6th. He’d probably retract that at a different time. I think things will be calmer after Biden’s been shuffling around The West Wing for a month or two.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I dunno, man. At the time (and obviously the culture of the forum was quite different back then), suggesting that the dossier may not be credible would definitely have gotten you dogpiled and probably banned as a Trump support.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
To play the what if game is dangerous, however, here's my 2 cents on that
If these rules would have been in place back then, the moderation would solely be based upon the life experiences of the owner and moderators at that time, which is only speculation and not factual, even if we were to ask them directly and them give what they believe to be how they would handle it, it would only be a good approximation
People change over time, and so do rules; the fact moderation exists doesn't change, the rules and the operators can change, for internal reasons (operations, PR, profitability, etc) or for external ones (Laws, regulations, technical changes, etc)
tillbot8
Banned
I'm sure the feeling was mutual... except for the second part
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Lionel Richie
Member
Alright, let's do this MYTHBUSTERS style:
@eletrokats got the can for this:
That read as a farewell letter, "sacrificing users" is not MILD critique though.
Ixiah
ate the hammer for this:Conspiracy theory, low tier one at that. "The cours refuse to see any evidence" is factually not true and equating that to Al Capone is bollocks, dude earned it. Maybe not a perm, but then again I'm speaking as a user.
Super Mario was a bit harsh though. Not completely unfair, just harsh. Personally I think these bans could have been a month off, not perm. But to say they were for wrongthink isn't exactly true either.
sobaka770
Banned
1. For sure. Some people were given ample opportunities and warning and some were maybe dealt with too hastily. This thread is here so that maybe the 10-20% of bans can shortened or overturned for people who are reasonable.
2. I think NY Post is an okay source to start the conversation. The question is for a lot of political threads outside of dubious sources: what is the framing. are you coming to post in good faith or to start a bias shit-throwing competition? It's hard to start discussing something when the thread title is: Senile Joe is at it again or SJW gets what they deserve or smth like that. Hunter Biden laptop is a valid story overall - but maybe a good idea is for such ongoing things is to have a single thread like we ended up for all post-election litigations and maybe less sensationalist titles allowing everyone to come in without preparing for a fistfight?
I saw your approach and I understand your stance. You've been running this community for a long time and have a lot of experience and patience regarding all this.
On GAF some rules are simple: don't antagonise other members, don't post nudes, don't be racist etc etc. Some others, political in nature are harder to gauge, do you defend right to free speech to it's full extent, do you go full ERA that we mock so much - what is the balance that is right for the community? Ultimately you make a call on a spectrum of what's permissible or not. I would say again that from what I see we're quick and efficient in banning needy, zealous, Resetera types, which is understandable with the experience of exodus, betrayal and the worst of left-wing cancelling and name-calling. I also saw much more lenience to the other side of the spectrum because maybe there was no real negative experience from that group that necessitated action so far.
I am of mind that every right has a corresponding responsibility. When people claim the right of free speech here or on Twitter or any other social circle (which GAF falls into) I don't see it like people in USA, I have to weigh it against responsibilities it entails because passing it all on listener/reader is observably an impossible proposition just from information, education and other gaps between different people.
In any case, to my understanding you set a new line of rules a week or two ago and gave everyone a chance to adhere. So to my mind - that was fair even to posters, who in my personal opinion, wrote irresponsible overly biased FUD - they got a chance to adjust or stop posting. It was harsh but I think you now have a good balance of rules for both far-left and far-right edges. Maybe in a few days or weeks we can come back and see if some bans were reactionary but mostly we need to move forward and make the most of the new rules.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Dark days are ahead.
What happened here? Did Liberty4all ask for a ban? and SC could his ban be temporary ? I think people are getting caught in the crossfire here.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Schrödinger's cat just became
Schrödinger's Banned
His post history can be summarized by the following:
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
What happened here? Did Liberty4all ask for a ban? and SC could his ban be temporary ? I think people are getting caught in the crossfire here.
More like crosshairs... I disagreed with both of those guys a lot, but still sad to see them banned. Still, as soon as this culture shift was put into motion, it was incredibly clear that their days were numbered.
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Piku_Ringo
Banned
one could say he ran out of all his nine livesSchrödinger's cat just became
Schrödinger's Banned
His post history can be summarized by the following:
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
prag16
Banned
I personally wouldn't have equated 1/6 to 7/4.
But regarding the comments on "being banned for wrongthink"; Super Mario's ban for example certainly comes across that way. I too hope that cooler heads can prevail, and that some of these bans get reduced from permanent.
sobaka770
Banned
What happened here? Did Liberty4all ask for a ban? and SC could his ban be temporary ? I think people are getting caught in the crossfire here.
That's some serious sniping. Don't know about SC, had him on ignore. Liberty4All seemed like a chill poster in gaming but he also posted a lot of very very conspiracy-like theories for Trump win after the election, including EC Jan 6 upset of "unfaithful electors". And he actually believed all this so I am unfortunately not surprised. I assume he requested a ban as he did post very recently in this thread.
prag16
Banned
His final post was Friday night, stating that he would take a month off to cool his jets, and then return. Makes me wonder if something else happened for him to get banned seemingly out of the blue a few days later.
Jethalal
Banned
There you go making assumptions again.Schrödinger's cat just became
Schrödinger's Banned
His post history can be summarized by the following:
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