Thebeardofknowledge
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Which Sony executives or first party devs shitted on the Xbox publicly and or without an explanation why it was shit ?
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NeoGAF Post by Ori Dev: Scorpio is a "full blown next generation Console
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Which Sony executives or first party devs shitted on the Xbox publicly and or without an explanation why it was shit ?
Yeah. Only Scorpio can deliver those kind of graphics. Not even PC can do it. If you put Scorpio on a race track next to ps4 pro. The pro would blow a motor trying to keep up with all the power scorpio is pulling at the wheels. 6 terror flops of torque aint no joke. Saw it once almost pissed my pants. True story.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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What are you talking about? I don't care about what fanboys on the forum are saying, his post looks unprofessional and that's that. As a dev you're held to a higher standard than forum posters. Devs shouldn't be diving in the mud with console warriors, it just looks silly and unprofessional.
They can call it whatever they want. Remember when Sony said that next gen only starts when we say it does? That went well for them.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
I'm not sure if I'd call it "shitting on," but there was this tweet from Cory Barlog years ago. I'm more dumbfounded that anyone would refer to the Xbox One as "Rude Box" than anything else lol.
In both cases you have two great developers taking jabs at the competition. It's not really a big deal imo.
Edit: "Ryse Box" not "Rude box" lol. Dumb autocorrect.
wapplew
Member
Who cares, his quote make fans all hyped up, bring back confidence to the brand after all the cancellations, maybe not the intention but after the doom and gloom, recent good news for Scorpio help change the mood.
IcyRhythms
Member
You say it like you have some emotional attachment to Sony and PlayStation. It's metal and plastic. Wake up! "Shitted on"
They don't owe an explanation. They don't owe you anything. What don't you understand about that? It's not that serious.
rokkerkory
Member
This isn't shitting on... just good compeition banter.
Console war is over? Next-gen starts when we say it starts?
I agree, but Scorpio is seen as something different for everyone. A next gen console, not a next gen console, not a mid gen console, the same as PS4 Pro, the same just stronger, etc.
Maybe he sees Scorpio as a mid gen console that wasn't rushed. Not to say that the PS4 Pro is, but maybe he believes the console should't have been released now, but later like MS when there was more powerful hardware that could reach that $400 mark.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
While I could say I see that pov.. I then have to say I think Sony waiting a year would have been detriment to their plans for lending the power of the pro to support PSVR. MS doesn't have PSVR to support. They had a strategy for release and followed it. They state this is an upgrade. They got the best hardware for the price people were willing to pay. They maintained compatability with already released titles guaranteeing them to at least play the same at a base level between versions of hardware (some exceptions may apply).
I don't recall the MS stated reason for their new hardware release. I think it will be great. Hell, I love that there are options for people to play on what they want to. Some people will choose to play on PC instead and forego the BC the Xbox One gives and feel getting all first party titles digitally is just fine. Some will buy Scorpio and proclaim it the new king of consoles. Neither are half assed. Then we can start all this bullshit again when PS5 hits, assuming that happens of course. And yes, we can then say it's not as good as we'd hoped, and some will buy it anyway.
Thebeardofknowledge
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That's the best you could come with ? Calling it the ryse box ?
I would be arguing the same premise had he called the switch half assed. You are right ,'Thomas doesn't owe us anything but don't act shocked when you get called out for saying stupid shit without explanation.
Yeah I definitely could see how PSVR could play a part in that, but idk. They released the slim, pro, and psvr each a month or so after the other. That's a lot of hardware/money for consumers to think about. If they would've released the Pro down the road I think they would've been alright, and the price of PSVR even would've went down (maybe right?) by the time it released. Wait, what do you mean by support exactly? Devs? Consumers?
And yeah I don't think the Pro is half assed for what it is. Not powerfull enough? Eh maybe, but they did got it out in November for what they could at $400 with a nice upgrade above the Ps4. I don't know what MS reasons for release other than it being a 4K machine. Maybe just getting into 4K. Has Phil specifically stated what Scorpio is? Like a mid console or something?
Humdinger
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A dildo-laden drama for a Wednesday night.
I'll just chime in (as a happy Pro owner) and say it's "half-assed" in the sense that in comparison to the jump from PS4, Scorpio's jump over Xbox One is about twice the distance. I don't like the term "half-assed," because it's derogatory, but this is the only way it would make sense to me -- it's about half the size of the increase in power from the original PS4 as Scorpio is from the Xbox One.
I'm taking the "next gen" issue out of the discussion because I see that as a sort of red herring.
ha. Indeed.
I don't like the moralistic scolding some people are doing, as if developers aren't allowed to say something negative about the competition, and if they do, they are unprofessional and lacking in integrity. It's not our job to dictate to developers what they should or shouldn't be saying. That's up to the individuals and the people in that profession to set the rules/boundaries. Plus, free speech and all that.
And besides, I like hearing what developers have to say on GAF -- that's one of the great things about this forum, rubbing elbows with developers. If we come off like scolding church marms, smacking their hands them for "stepping out of line," we won't see them around here, or we'll only hear carefully crafted statements.
Let 'em say what they like. We're big boys.
I'll just chime in (as a happy Pro owner) and say it's "half-assed" in the sense that in comparison to the jump from PS4, Scorpio's jump over Xbox One is about twice the distance. I don't like the term "half-assed," because it's derogatory, but this is the only way it would make sense to me -- it's about half the size of the increase in power from the original PS4 as Scorpio is from the Xbox One.
I'm taking the "next gen" issue out of the discussion because I see that as a sort of red herring.
Man people are too touchy today. I miss the 90s Nintendo v Sega battle.
Sega does what nintendont
ha. Indeed.
I don't like the moralistic scolding some people are doing, as if developers aren't allowed to say something negative about the competition, and if they do, they are unprofessional and lacking in integrity. It's not our job to dictate to developers what they should or shouldn't be saying. That's up to the individuals and the people in that profession to set the rules/boundaries. Plus, free speech and all that.
And besides, I like hearing what developers have to say on GAF -- that's one of the great things about this forum, rubbing elbows with developers. If we come off like scolding church marms, smacking their hands them for "stepping out of line," we won't see them around here, or we'll only hear carefully crafted statements.
Let 'em say what they like. We're big boys.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Yeah seriously this idea that just because you are a dev or a representative of a platform that you suddenly lose your right to have opinions is bullshit. Last time I checked most people in the industry put the line "all opinions are my own" in their twitter profile.
They are entitled to their opinion every bit as much as you or I here on GAF. Fuck some ridiculous idea of "decorum" or a "higher standard" just because of their position.
They are entitled to their opinion every bit as much as you or I here on GAF. Fuck some ridiculous idea of "decorum" or a "higher standard" just because of their position.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
The part about support I meant was, it has been hinted at by some media outlets that base PS4 didn't have appropriate power level for their vision of supporting the true capability of the PSVR. Even the people that upgraded to Pro but started using PSVR on OG PS4 said the gaming difference using it on the Pro is night and day over base PS4.
I'd like to hear what the MS statement is about why they are putting a system out now. If they have a heavy hitting line up coming at around the launch of Scorpio, I haven't heard too much. So far, we have DF Speculation in a YouTube video about what they think it could be, a Phil tweet that things are looking good and ... well this info in this thread.
Samurai G0SU
Member
I agree. This thread is shameful and i keep checking back to see if other devs chime in to provide other details about the scorpio but alas......
Hope Thomas isn't getting in trouble for this. I liked him as a GAF member and it was really cool how involved he was with the Ori community and even letting people alpha test some of his teams early ideas for games. Be a bummer to lose that, the forum could use more devs that take part in daily discussion, not less.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Yeah he wont come around much anymore. Maybe when he talks about his next game.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
This is unfortunately an attitude that isn't in gaming alone. People get this insecurity about someone getting attention when they don't feel they deserve it. It's frankly childish. We just saw it with the titanfall 2 dev that I am sure really no one even knows getting raged at for saying titanfall 2 won't be on switch cause he said "fuck no" or something.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Agree with all this. Cosign.
statham
Member
why can't he have his opinion about it? Hes not a MS employee.
NoHeDidn't
Member
I shit you not even if it was a full blown next gen console it still is a no go due to lack of exclusives and new IP's.I think besides the hardcore MS loyalists there isn't much confidence in MS and their decision making involving sticking to the traditional dude bro games.
Hell MS is dragging ass on Xbone so to even suggest via a third party plant that they can release a full blown next gen console in the state MS is in is laughable.
Hell MS is dragging ass on Xbone so to even suggest via a third party plant that they can release a full blown next gen console in the state MS is in is laughable.
statham
Member
every 3rd party will look better on Scorpio? (90% of games) thats a HUGE selling point.
ShironRedshift
Member
He can have an opinion--that's great and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But NeoGAF is a site for discussion and people are free to respond to his opinions and there's nothing wrong with that as the entire point is discussion. Sure, some people get carried away, but when that happens the proper response is to notify a mod and they'll take care of it instead of just complaining about it and trying to shut down discussion in general.
He has an opinion. That's great! But people are free to them respond to that opinion as that's the entire point of a message board like NeoGAF to begin with.
And I must admit I'm curious about the same thing many others are, as I wish to understand his point of view better. What exactly makes the Scorpio next-gen, but not the PS4 Pro? Why one but not the other? I'd like to understand his point of view better and it's disappointing that he's not really expanding on that point.
It's his choice--no one can make him expand on it, but it's still rather disappointing because I'd like to understand his POV better but can't like this.
Outrun
Member
Yeah, I agree with that.
Lots on here don't. His follow-up post should have put this issue to bed.
But it hasn't...
It's fine to think Sony should have waited...Or fine to think they shouldn't have released a mod gen console at all...
But if you take the logic of "next year I could make it more powerful" you will never release a product...
Sony felt getting to market NOW and at $399 made more sense...
And they used arguably THE BEST hardware available to them given their goal of $399 and a fall 2016 launch...
My point still stands...What hardware was available to Sony that could have provided a bigger jump? Sure they could have I guess stuffed a larger GPU in there...They could have gone with more RAM (though technically they did by giving more to devs)...
But could they have done that at got it out back in November for $399? I doubt it...
I understand people wish there was a better CPU...but unfortunately that better CPU didn't exist...And still doesn't yet...
Shit, we're being told it's likely that all the way in fall of 2017 Scorpio won't have that better CPU people have been saying Sony "should" have used back in November of 2016...How can Sony take heat for not using a CPU that only existed on a spec sheet?
to play devil's advocate for a moment..
For the last third of a generation that you've already been outsold 2:1 with the PS5 more than likely only 2-3 years away...
High risk strategy...I wonder what the realistic outlook on stealing back market share from the PS4 is in all honesty...
Because PlayStation 4 is God's gift to mankind.
Now go out and fight for the PlayStation Nation!
#4ThePlayers
Iced Arcade
Member
Man I got embarrassed just reading some of these posts. Ever wonder why devs rarely visit anymore....
This is why we can't have nice things
This is why we can't have nice things
This is not to say that they should only rely on third party games and "dude bro games" (which they aren't by the way but it's obvious that some will always think that they are), but third party multiplats help console sales the most. As long as they have solid support from those companies that make the top selling games, then there will always be interest in their console.
People putting MS in the same spot as Nintendo when it comes to lack of games is what's laughable. I highly doubt MS/Xbox will even be toe to toe with PlayStation in terms of overall sales but saying that they shouldn't realese a new console due to it is pretty silly.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Scorpio is clearly a next gen console from Microsoft. i think if you were at E3 2016 and saw what some got the chance to see and hear, you would be pretty damn confident in that feeling, contrary to attempted assurances to anyone concerned about what it meant for Xbox One. The only problem people seem to be having is understanding that "next gen" doesn't have to mean exactly the same as what it has meant in years past. It not having exclusives is a tiny price to pay for all the advantages that come with the current direction. One route may offer more visually stunning games, but the other offers the real opportunity for not just better games, full compatibility for all xbox one titles, but I believe it makes things easier on developers. They'll be able to release games quicker and also not have to start over from scratch in terms of userbase.
That's the new strategy going forward; maintain support for all the previous system's games while having a much more powerful system in place that can run those same usually quite impressive games far better than Xbox One can manage.
The hardware jump is obviously going to be there, in all major respects. I don't believe for a single second it's going to have Jaguar. Totally expect Zen. I feel pretty confident in that belief. If it doesn't, so be it, I was wrong, and I move on still excited about Scorpio, although I would love to see them really going for it on this thing.
That's the new strategy going forward; maintain support for all the previous system's games while having a much more powerful system in place that can run those same usually quite impressive games far better than Xbox One can manage.
The hardware jump is obviously going to be there, in all major respects. I don't believe for a single second it's going to have Jaguar. Totally expect Zen. I feel pretty confident in that belief. If it doesn't, so be it, I was wrong, and I move on still excited about Scorpio, although I would love to see them really going for it on this thing.
Fess
Member
They could've waited and released a more powerful console. Being first out to deliver an upgrade nobody needed 3 years into a generation you're already dominating just to deliver 4K while not quite deliver 4K is not the smartest thing you could do, especially if the competition plays it cool and goes one step further so you're then stuck with inferior hardware for the rest of the gen since people will be pissed if the proper next gen console comes out too early.
Fess
Member
Agreed. It's quite annoying that some gets to speak their minds and some don't, in the end we're all here because we love games and nothing else should matter. And check the early upgrades rumour threads, it's not like what the Ori dev said hasn't already been said many times before, we've all expressed similar opinions and much worse. Many here still haven't bothered buying a Pro either. Why? Maybe half-assed is a bit blunt description but I think we can all agree that it's certainly not a mindblowing upgrade. I doubt that Scorpio will do much better though, 6TF is not enough, I guess it'll be in the same ballpark as a 980ti PC bottlenecked with a slow CPU.
Beer Monkey
Member
Dudebro games make up a really small percentage of my gaming.
But 4K HDR Blu-Ray + smoother 360 games? Sign me up! I don't really buy dedicated Blu-Ray players any more and Sony failed me with the Pro, so I've got money available.
Been saying this since the beginning, a 6x increase is too big to believe there will be parity outside of a resolution bump.
Yeah your Xbox Scorpio games will also run on your Xbox One. Like shit. That's all there's to read in that statement. The architecture is the same, just much more powerful.
Yeah your Xbox Scorpio games will also run on your Xbox One. Like shit. That's all there's to read in that statement. The architecture is the same, just much more powerful.
This. It's sad to see.
Thomas is a great guy and was really active in the Ori thread. His words have been jumped on and blown out of proportion. Pathetic
Droopaloop
Banned
Form up detective gaf! I wanna know how many dev's of either platform that are hiding behind alt's and leading charges in the "console wars." I mean I guess Thomas at least has his name as his username. Pretty ballsy on Gaf for being in the industry.
"Rude Box" ? He said Ryse Box in the tweet. and whats dumbfounding about that, people call Xbox one as Xbone which i think personally a worse nickname.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
My bad, was typing from my phone and it autocorrected.
People call the Xbox "Halo Box" or whatever, I'm dumbfounded by the fact that in November of 2014 the game he is attaching to the console is fucking Ryse of all things lol.
I still remember the account kidbeta who was mainly active before the launch of ps4 and bone.
Ok, but maybe he is referring to Xbox one only and in 2013 Ryse is the major exclusive they had got. But just lets Move on.
nelsonroyale
Member
Considering the projected power and philosophy seems pretty much the same idea as PS4 Pro...If it is projected as a next gen console, it doesn't seem a very impressive jump relative to previous ones.
Daffy Duck
Member
His comments seem to confirm what I thought was going to happen, MS are just clever how they were selling it at E3 so as not to kill the Xbox one for 18 months.
Games will still come to XB1 but they'll be lower graphical settings.
I thought of it akin to having a normal laptop and high end gaming PC available to play games on.
This is how I see it as well.
Games will still come to XB1 but they'll be lower graphical settings.
I thought of it akin to having a normal laptop and high end gaming PC available to play games on.
This is how I see it as well.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
The tweet was November 2014, so games like Sunset Overdrive Forza Horizon 2, KI etc had been out. It's not a big deal at all, I just think it's funny to see someone call it "Ryse Box"