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I think this would result in a more interesting list to read. Annualized threads means I've got a pretty good handle at this point on aggregate GAF RPG taste; if participation's dwindling each year despite expanding GAF membership, might as well mix it up next year! I personally get a lot more out of reading super hardcore knowledgeable ballots with neat little insights, but I know that's not what you're really trying to go for with this thread series so it's all good.

That is sort of the point of the individual lists. If you are new to rpgs (or GAF), the aggregate list is a good starting point for recommendations. It will give you an idea of which classics people still remember fondly, and which current games are worth trying out. If you are pretty knowledgeable when it comes to RPGs and have been on GAF for awhile, most of the aggregate list won't be super useful (other than to see where your favourites end up). Instead, you will want to read through the several outstanding posts throughout this thread, and look for some recommendations from people who have similar tastes to you.

Participation took a big hit after my first thread, but I think a lot of that was due to an increasing focus on justifying your picks in more recent threads. That first thread was a more traditional list thread. Participation since then has been fairly stable. 177 participants is about where we were last year at this time. However, I think the individual contributions have been even better this time around, partially due to the expanded ballot.
 
1. Persona 4 (3 points): This game just seemed to do everything right, plot, characters, soundtrack and gameplay (no random battles). My favorite aspect of the game was the social link system; I love it more than the combat. I was always eager to get back from a dungeon to continue a relationship in the game.

2. Nocturne: Great atmosphere, story, awesome intense combat due to the high difficulty. The difficulty was like no other RPG I played, it was a fresh experience. Seriously this game kicks you in the balls if you do not stay focused. But it was always worth it to keep trying.

3: Valkyria Chronicles: Beautiful graphics, love the combat, excellent soundtrack and the characters are just phenomenal. Ughh why can’t we have more games like this?

4. Xenoblade: Great art, music and characters. And I have never enjoyed an open world as much as I did in this game, it was flat out incredible. It never felt overwhelming nor was it tedious.

5. World Ends With You: Man, this story was fantastic! If you have yet to play this game then you must repent of your sins and pick this up now. Combat is fresh and original, characters are great.

6. Dark Souls: This game is so intense, especially when you are in the middle of trying to get through an area with difficult enemies only to have a message saying “you have been invaded by (insert name here).” Now you are in a tight spot.

7. FF6: Hands down this game has the best characters in any rpg, imo. The story is also extremely engaging. Oh and Kefka.

8. FF7: This game essentially set the bar for RPG’s, it also popularized RPGs in the west.

9. Nier: One of the best stories and cast of characters this generation. This soundtrack is possibly the greatest if not one of the best in gaming.

10. Morrowind: The best in the series.
 
1)Seiken Densetsu 3 (Super Famicom) - I played through this over six times (once with each character) - more than I have with any other RPG. Loved everything about it. It's just plain magical.
2)Secret of Mana (SNES) - This game has my favorite soundtrack of any RPG. Also a very magical world and the gameplay is still fun today.
3)Lunar (Sega CD) - I will always prefer the original Sega CD version. The soundtrack, the sharp 16 bit graphics, the pacing. The later remakes just don't quite match up.
4)Tengai Makyou 4: The Apocalypse (PSP) - One of the most entertaining stories in any RPG, with great characters and a fun quest. A truly under-appreciated gem.
5)Grandia (Saturn) - True to its name, this game is quite grand. I love the sense of adventure it gives the player. The sequels never really captured that again.
6)Bravely Default (3DS) - This has one of the best scripts in any RPG I've played. Wonderful music, wonderful graphics, a wonderful story. Sure to be a classic in the years to come.
7)Dragon Quest VIII (PS2) - Such an expansive world. The best graphics and gameplay in any DQ to date. No complaints.
8)Criminal Girls (PSP) - I really loved this game, there's nothing else quite like it. The battle system remains one of my favorites in any RPG. I hope they make a sequel for the Vita.
9)Tengai Makyou Ziria (Xbox 360) - The X360 remake of the original PC Engine game from 1989, while plagued by some crude 3D character models, is actually quite a fantastic game if you give it a chance. It has real charm, unlike so many other cookie-cutter RPGs.
10)Lost Odyssey (X360) - The best of the original console RPGs of this generation (Blue Dragon is a close second). What Final Fantasy should be today.

Honorable mentions:
11)Dragon Quest V (DS) - Pure fun. A nice blend of the best of old and new DQ.
12)Blue Dragon (X360) - While the characters are a bit generic, the game world is lovely and the epic scale of everything is impressive. It is also a well-paced quest with lots of fun along the way. Hate the battle music, though.
13)Magic Knight Rayearth (Saturn) - One of the best action RPGs ever. Simple perfection.
14)Ys Seven (PSP) - Still my favorite Ys game, even after playing Ys Celeta (Vita).
15)Tales of Rebirth (PS2) - my favorite Tales game, actually the only one I really loved from start to finish.
Great list! Love to see Tengai 4 get more love. I still gotta get a Japanese 360 to play the remake of 1 as well as all those JRpgs I missed, but they're still s expensive no matter where I look...
 
A work-in-progress preview of this year's rank headers:

ranking.jpg

Ignore the rank numbers and obviously wrong platforms. They are placeholders.

I wanted to draw more attention to where you can currently buy these games (hence the icons for PSN, Steam, Virtual Console, etc). Someone also suggested adding an indication if a game changed rank from the 2012 list (which will be represented by the smaller number and arrow).

Each game will also have a summary paragraph as usual. I haven't decided if I will use the Title Screen/Screen shot/Artwork three picture format again this year, or if I will make some changes to that as well.

Any other suggestions for the Top 50 entries this year? Anything you would like to see me include (if it is not too much work)?
 
1. Lunar: The Silver Star (Sega CD). The original and best. I must have watched that intro at least 200 times back in 1993. Utterly absorbing from start to finish.

2. Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii). Hands down my favorite game of the current generation. There was ALWAYS a reward for exploring every nook and cranny of the world. The characters were charming, the music was rousing, and the story was fun, and ultimately uplifting. The promise of a future Monolith game made the Wii U worth owning now for me.

3. Dragon Quest VIII (PS2). Like Xenoblade, it was the overworld expansiveness that moved DQ8 near the top of my list. Going off the beaten path always resulted in a treasure chest, or cave, or rare monster encounter. I never tired of the voice acting, particularly the Cursed King.

4. Final Fantasy IV (SNES). The mode 7 battle encounter animation was jaw-dropping back in the day. Kain, Palom, and Porom are still among my favorite Final Fantasy characters ever.

5. Phantasy Star II (Genesis). I know the insane number of battles don't hold up too well today, but this 6 megabit monster was unmatched in its time. I still maintain it has the best ending of any 16-bit RPG.

6. Skies of Arcadia (Dreamcast). The graphics in this game just got more and more stunning as the story progressed. Vyse was immediately likeable as a lead character and the ship battles were fantastic fun. So much heart and soul went into the making of this game!

7. Phantasy Star IV (Genesis). Probably should be ranked above II, but maybe I'm subconsciously holding its $100 price tag against it! I loved the anime-style cut scenes, vehicle battles, and especially the macro system.

8. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Gamecube). Self-referential humor to the extreme, and a fun, involving combat system made this one of the highlights of the system. The 2D exploration was something I cherished, especially during an era when 2D console gaming was nearly extinct.

9. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox). I purchased an original Xbox near the end of its life specifically for this game, and was not disappointed! This was my first-ever western-developed RPG and the sci-fi setting, voice acting, and dialogue systems felt so fresh. I never really was into Star Wars all that much before KOTOR, but I became a fan afterwards!

10. Fallout 3 (PS3). My favorite game on the HD consoles and just behind Xenoblade as my favorite of the current generation. The VATS system and Washington DC setting made this infinitely more fun and interesting than the Elder Scrolls games. Probably the only game in the last 5 years that I was thinking about every time I wasn't playing it. I will not commit to a next generation Xbox or Playstation until I know which system will get the best version of part 4.
 
My votes:

1. Dragons's Dogma - (3 points) Only RPG worth playing purely for the combat.

2. Chrono Trigger - Great presentation, casual-friendly, memorable.

3. Final Fantasy II - (GBA/PSP/iOS remake) Incredibly ambitious when released on the NES, it's still the most interesting FF from a mechanical/customization perspective.

4. Fire Emblem 7 - Not everyone's favorite Fire Emblem, but I had to choose one.

5. Front Mission 4 - Not everyone's favorite Front Mission, but it is mine.

6. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door - Both fun and light-hearted -- it's a game that doesn't take itself too seriously but still delivers quality.

7. Pools of Darkness - Gold Box > Infinity Engine.

8. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - Made me kind of care for Star Wars.

9. Tales of Vesperia - Beautiful. And starring a nonconventional protagonist!

10. Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines - An incredible PC RPG.

Honorable mentions:

11. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - A great game, but not really an RPG in my book.
12. Dragon Quest III - The best example of the genre.
13. Dragon Quest IV - Jettisons much of the advances of Dragon Quest III, but instead provides innovative storytelling via a character-centric, chapter based approach. And you get to play as a store owner, selling weapons to adventurers.
14. Dragon Quest I - The inspiration for so many later RPGs. Any RPG fan with even a smidgen of programming ability has crafted their own clone of this, I'm sure.
15. Tales of Destiny - Phantasia was good, but Destiny upped the bar considerably (and was the first Tales to be widely distributed). Cute, memorable, and very playable, with all the hallmarks of the Tales series.

Didn't make the cut: Breath of Fire III (just nostalgia), Final Fantasy IV (just nostalgia) and Mass Effect (diluted by sequels).
 
1. Mother 3
2. Baten Kaitos: Origins (bolded - deserves them because it'll be overlooked)
3. Xenoblade Chronicles
4. Earthbound
5. Phantasy Star Online
6. Persona 4
7. Shadow Hearts: Covenant
8. Xenoblade III
9. Pokemon Gold/Silver
10. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter

Will add descriptions later.
 
Man, I love coming in here and reading everyone's lists. They always have a different perspective as to how they feel about games I've played and didn't like as much, and games I've played that I've adored but seeing another impression of it is refreshing because it's stuff I hadn't thought of before.

Participation took a big hit after my first thread, but I think a lot of that was due to an increasing focus on justifying your picks in more recent threads. That first thread was a more traditional list thread.
I've already said my piece about how much I don't care for mere list threads, but I think that's incredibly unfortunate. You don't need to write fucking novels like I did. One little blurb is enough because I really want to know more about the game you've selected and your perspective on it might enhance what I think of it and thus I might consider playing it.

Any other suggestions for the Top 50 entries this year? Anything you would like to see me include (if it is not too much work)?
This is probably going to be way too much work, but what about going about it like the GOTY threads this time? A ton of people put a lot of thought behind justifying their picks this time, so taking out the best parts of some people's comments for the top 20 might be nice. 'Course, that might be too much work.

Not only does it feature a number of games that will make my own final list, but your balanced consideration of WRPGs and JRPGs over such an extensive temporal scope paired with thorough descriptions/justifications really made me glad I read through this thread every year.
Thank you; that was my intent. I probably could have balanced it further by including more current generation WRPGs, but there was only so much I could do before feeling that I was neglecting a few games. I still feel like I missed a bunch of stuff that I wanted to talk about.

edit: hey wait I don't see Morrowind :/
Aw, shit, I knew I forgot something (pfft, I forgot a lot things, what am I talking about). I probably would've had to reason between putting Daggerfall or Morrowind up there, but I think Morrowind would be the one that people would easily get into.

Honestly, every time I think of my list, I think I forgot tons of stuff. Bard's Tale, Might and Magic 3 or Armageddon's Blade, Mask of the Betrayer, Rudra no Hihou, Super Robot Taisen, Emerald Dragon, probably a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting, etc. Feels bad, man. If I could, I would've voted with my heart and added Arc Rise Fantasia somewhere because I really adore that game.

More than anything, I generally like talking about what this or that RPG brought to the table, how developers looked at the game afterwards and decided to borrow mechanics from it, how influential the RPG is, how much they evolved from MUDs, etc. Not just for RPGs, but games in general. I like learning about that kind of stuff, just because you kind of see a lineage or legacy of games with similar ideas or an evolution of those ideas because the developer loved the ideas used so much. I just think it's kinda neat.

8)Criminal Girls (PSP) - I really loved this game, there's nothing else quite like it. The battle system remains one of my favorites in any RPG. I hope they make a sequel for the Vita.
I didn't import this because, well, you know why. But then I remembered I played Neptunia mk2 which had some of the same issues and liked it despite the unpleasantness.

Is it really that good?
 
A work-in-progress preview of this year's rank headers:

ranking.jpg

Ignore the rank numbers and obviously wrong platforms. They are placeholders.

I wanted to draw more attention to where you can currently buy these games (hence the icons for PSN, Steam, Virtual Console, etc). Someone also suggested adding an indication if a game changed rank from the 2012 list (which will be represented by the smaller number and arrow).

Each game will also have a summary paragraph as usual. I haven't decided if I will use the Title Screen/Screen shot/Artwork three picture format again this year, or if I will make some changes to that as well.

Any other suggestions for the Top 50 entries this year? Anything you would like to see me include (if it is not too much work)?
That looks great.
 
A work-in-progress preview of this year's rank headers:

ranking.jpg

Ignore the rank numbers and obviously wrong platforms. They are placeholders.

I wanted to draw more attention to where you can currently buy these games (hence the icons for PSN, Steam, Virtual Console, etc). Someone also suggested adding an indication if a game changed rank from the 2012 list (which will be represented by the smaller number and arrow).

Each game will also have a summary paragraph as usual. I haven't decided if I will use the Title Screen/Screen shot/Artwork three picture format again this year, or if I will make some changes to that as well.

Any other suggestions for the Top 50 entries this year? Anything you would like to see me include (if it is not too much work)?

This looks amazing. One thing that I always appreciated about some of the other threads in regards to stuff that are similar to these lists is that they have user-quoted excerpts describing why the game is awesome or something like that. I know the post will be long and this will be super extensive work but I think the list will be better and cooler for it. Maybe 1-2 quotes per game would be nice. If you need help for doing this I'm all for it!

EDIT: Schala already suggested. Ugh. Great minds think alike.
 
I wanted to draw more attention to where you can currently buy these games (hence the icons for PSN, Steam, Virtual Console, etc). Someone also suggested adding an indication if a game changed rank from the 2012 list (which will be represented by the smaller number and arrow).

Any other suggestions for the Top 50 entries this year? Anything you would like to see me include (if it is not too much work)?
I know this will open up some debate for certain games but if there's a clear definitive version for a title, would it be possible to call attention to it?
That way people at a glance with access to multiple platforms will be directed to the one that offers the richest experience or the most comprehensive remake.
 
This is probably going to be way too much work, but what about going about it like the GOTY threads this time? A ton of people put a lot of thought behind justifying their picks this time, so taking out the best parts of some people's comments for the top 20 might be nice. 'Course, that might be too much work.

I'll see what I can do. I have 4 posts to work with which gives me 96k characters total I think. Last Year's 4 post OP ended up being 57k characters, so I suppose I have some space to play around with.

I know this will open up some debate for certain games but if there's a clear definitive version for a title, would it be possible to call attention to it?
That way people at a glance with access to multiple platforms will be directed to the one that offers the richest experience or the most comprehensive remake.

I could do that, but I would probably need some help. I don't know what the answer would be for some of these titles that have been re-released several times.
 
I'll see what I can do. I have 4 posts to work with which gives me 96k characters total I think. Last Year's 4 post OP ended up being 57k characters, so I suppose I have some space to play around with.

How about you mention a lot of games like you did last year but you make the ones that get the super banners for like the first 25 or something like that. These games will get the super treatment and get quotes or something like that. Like I offered, I'll be glad to help you do whatever it is writing-wise since I'm proficient in that stuff or the quotes/blurbs.
 
How about you mention a lot of games like you did last year but you make the ones that get the super banners for like the first 25 or something like that. These games will get the super treatment and get quotes or something like that. Like I offered, I'll be glad to help you do whatever it is writing-wise since I'm proficient in that stuff or the quotes/blurbs.

I want to do the full banner/pic treatment for the Top 50, but I will do the quotes idea for at least the top 25 (if not the top 50). I agree that it is a good idea.

Thanks for offering to help! What I could actually use help with is writing the 75-150 word summaries for the games that end up making it into the top 50. In the past I just adapted summaries from the wiki entry text, but even doing that took 15-20 minutes per game. It would be nice to replace a few of those with something original. If anyone else is up for writing a summary or two for a couple of their favourites, let me know.
 
I want to do the full banner/pic treatment for the Top 50, but I will do the quotes idea for at least the top 25 (if not the top 50). I agree that it is a good idea.

Thanks for offering to help! What I could actually use help with is writing the 75-150 word summaries for the games that end up making it into the top 50. In the past I just adapted summaries from the wiki entry text, but even doing that took 15-20 minutes per game. It would be nice to replace a few of those with something original. If anyone else is up for writing a summary or two for a couple of their favourites, let me know.

I'm definitely up for helping. Make a google doc and I'm all in!
 
I think I'll add Valkyria Chronicles to my list, playing it right now while there is some stuff that annoy me it's probably the best srpg I've played since TO.

edit: Nah, I'll finish it first and maybe include it in next year's list.
 
Yeah, I'd be happy to help out with some of the writing, if you need it (obviously I'm passionate about TTYD, if that ends up on the final list).
 
I'd be delighted to write a bit about a few of my favourites, can't say how many will actually make the top 50 though.
 
I don't mind writing stuff up for a few of my favourites either. I'm a night owl, so I don't mind staying up to get them done.

It's just 75-150 words so that isn't hard. You don't want to know how many words that behemoth of a post took up. Haha.
 
1) Persona 4 (3 points) - still, be far, one of my favorite games ever made. A great story with realistic yet fun characters with an addicting battle system and demon subsystems. The fact that its port is one of the highest rated games over 4 years later is a proof of how strong the core game is.

2) Tales of Vesperia - The closest the Tales series has gotten to being great, the extra strong lead and characters is what pushes this title above the rest of the series "good but flawed" status. The all around strongest "Tales of" game.

3) Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - The most rounded of the Fire Emblem games, PoR offered a great strategy system, story and dialogue. Sadly I think the Fire Emblem series gets ignored in this thread since they aren't "RPG enough", whatever that means.

4) Fire Emblem - I've replayed this game more times than any other on this list I imagine. Hector hard mode go!

5) Deus Ex - One of the greatest games ever made. And yet it also gets ignored heavily in these types of votes, probably for the same reason as Fire Emblem (being a decade old western PC game probably doesn't help either).

6) Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door - The funnest and funniest RPG by far

7) Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - It's Pokemon. Enough said.

8) Xenoblade Chronicles - A great new addition to these lists. Almost got my additional point at that! By having a great JRPG story and a refinement of FFXII's combat, Xenoblade has managed to establish itself as one of the RPG greats rather early in its lifetime. I imagine we'll be seeing a lot of the game this year and so forth in the future.

9) Radiant Historia - A homage to the old SNES RPGs in a lot of ways, and with a story channeling Chrono Trigger, Radiant Historia was a memorable adventure on the dual screens. It's only hurt by the lack of battle variety after 30 some hours.

10) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - The game that remade Bioware what it was and set the stage for the equally great Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins.


Honorable Mentions:

11) The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - HARD AS FUCK AND MATURE AS HELL (in the good way)

12) Baten Kaitos Origins - The game that the original Baten Kaitos should have been. Blending card based gameplay into a classic yet frenzy RPG battle system created attention grasping game.

13) Tactics Ogre - The game that invented the Tactics line of RPG strategy that so many have used over the years. Add that to an almost Shakespearen-esque story and you have a memorable classic not to be forgotten.

14) Final Fantasy IV - Rydia 4 life!

15) Valkyria Chronicles - A great blend of strategy and 3rd person movement, VC sits on the threshold between Fire Emblem and the new X-com game in terms of modern strategy


Unranked Honorable Mentions:
-Mass Effect
-Dragon Age Origins
-Pokemon Gold/Silver
-Dragon Quest series
-Resonance of Fate
 
I don't mind writing stuff up for a few of my favourites either. I'm a night owl, so I don't mind staying up to get them done.

It's just 75-150 words so that isn't hard. You don't want to know how many words that behemoth of a post took up. Haha.

Oh but you see, I do!!!
 
It's still time? I will quickly do my list.

1. Final Fantasy XII - One of the best RPGs I ever played, with some good characters (I even think that Vaan is ok), huge worlds and lots to discover.
2. Wild Arms 3 - The dungeons are really fun, and there's a lot of side content. Interesting characters that basically destroy all cliches that jRPGs ususally have and you have a robot dragon as your flying vehicle.
3. Dragon Quest VIII - A huge world with lots of stuff to see. A really hard game, but still fun nonetheless. Looks gorgeous.
4. Final Fantasy XIII-2 (3 points) - I don't care what you think about this game, for me it is one of the best RPGs ever created. I like the characters, like the half-open areas and the big amount of sidequests. One of the best soundtracks ever created.
5. Resonance of Fate - Excellent game with some of the best characters ever created. Truly a unique and also incredibly badass game. Fantastic soundtrack and look.
6. Fallout 3 - There are not much other games where exploring is so much fun. You really felt that you were on a dangerous adventure.
7. Kingdom Hearts 2 - Kingdom Hearts 1 has the better level design and difficulty, but otherwise KH2 trumps it in almost every way. Absolutely great game.
8. Golden Sun 2 - I love the dungeons and the puzzles in there, and Golden Sun 2 is bigger and (slightly) better than the first one.
9. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance - Really one of my favorite SRPGs, finished it 100% and was quite surprised that another small storyline opened up after that.
10. Paper Mario TTYD - Really excellent game with a fun battle system and tons of secrets.

Honorable mentions:
Skyrim
Suikoden V
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter
Ys 6
Golden Sun
 
Oh but you see, I do!!!
Actually, the thing I posted in here was somewhat shorter than the original product. I had to delete a few things. So about... 7500 words? The word count in those posts is much lower.

The same thing happened with my Soundtrack of the Year post, and a multitude of the FF4 playthrough posts. I had lots to say, but only so much space to say it in.
 
man, this is really hard, but I'm also short on time, so I'm going to have to limit it to 5...

1) Final Fantasy VI- I had played several JRPGs before this one (including FFIV), and enjoyed most of them, but this was the first one that became one of my favorite games in general. It was the first one that really involved me with the story, the graphics were gorgeous, and music amazing. I borrowed it from a friend in '94, and spent 4 sick days in a row, home from school, playing it. (I was only sick for 2 of them, though) It was possibly my favorite game, and definitely my favorite RPG, until...

2) Final Fantasy VII (3 points) - I actually was really disappointed in this game at first, as a followup to VI. A party of 3, fewer characters, and Midgar got boring for me after a while. I actually thought the whole game was going to be Midgar... until it wasn't. Once it opened up, it grew on me more and more. The villains, Shinra and Sephiroth, felt unique, the pre-rendered backgrounds were gorgeous. And the music, which felt weird to me at first, grew on me as well. Then the end of disc 1 happened, which was the first time in a game that I actively wanted to hunt down the villain for what he did. The summoning spells were sometimes mindblowing, and everything in the game came together for me. VII became my favorite, narrowly edging out VI. No other JRPGs ever came close to that VI/VII combo for me, which has been really disappointing.

3) Secret of Mana - I had finished FFIV not too long before playing this, and it was exactly what I had always wished for, a Final Fantasy game crossed with Crystalis (NES). I had always wanted a sequel to Crystalis, and I wanted a new FF game, and this was perfect. A light-hearted story (mostly), an FF-esque soundtrack, an awesome dragon, and the great ring system that paused battles for spell casting, with multi-player on top of all of that! Still one of my favorite games, I replayed it a couple of years ago on the Wii VC.

4) Fallout 3 - as either the quality or my love of JRPGs waned, it had been a while since I had a great RPG. I actually didn't play FO3 until around a year ago, and pretty much ignored it when it was released. I had never played FO1 or 2, had never really enjoyed any post-apocalyptic games (despite liking post-apocalyptic movies, even bad ones), and really, really did not like Oblivion. (a lot of that was due to the scaling issues) So it wasn't until after I had watched "The Book of Eli" and really had a hankering for a post-apocalyptic game that I looked into it. I also found out it took place in DC, so I thought it might be cool to check out the game, at least I might recognize something in it, and I was in the mood. I think I started playing at 10pm that night, and didn't finish until 7am, which was the longest marathon gaming session I'd had since I was a teenager, probably. It had rectified most of the issues I had with Oblivion, had a large world with a lot of unique areas to explore, and it even freaked me out on a couple occasions, too. This game was a really pleasant surprise, to me.

5) Landstalker - Oh you, how could I hate you, even with some of your isometric jumps that I missed repeatedly and drove me crazy. Landstalker had beautiful graphics and animation for an ARPG at the time, had dungeons that frustrated me to no end, great "feeling" combat (compared to the likes of LttP or SoM), an excellent soundtrack with great synth from the Genesis, and just a light-hearted "I'm a treasure hunter" story. This was a great complement for me to Secret of Mana, with SoM being an ARPG on the story-based side of the spectrum, and Landstalker on the dungeon/puzzle side of the ARPG spectrum, closer to Zelda:LttP.
 
The order of these games reflect how much fun I had with them and their RPG qualities. Some would be higher or lower in a pure "favourite games" list. Here goes:

1) Fallout 1 - The best pure RPG I can think of. Detailed, full of interesting characters and quests in a great setting. Set the standard for "choices and consequences" for modern graphical RPGs. Excellent character creation and development and a solid combat system.

2) Fallout 2 - See above, but with more. The only reason it doesn't rank higher than FO1 for me is that it lost some of the atmosphere and became a bit too silly.

3) Jagged Alliance 2 - My favourite game of all time, and while it is technically a turn-based tactical game, it's RPG elements are stronger than the vast majority of RPGs. Your interaction with NPCs and your mercs makes a HUGE difference in this game.

4) Planescape Torment - This game arguably has the best writing of any game in history. A little too verbose, IMO (which is why I prefer the writing in the Fallout series), but it will hold up very well for its writing alone in years to come.

5) Baldur's Gate - A solid, expansive and well balanced RPG. I prefer it to its sequel because of the latter. I've never liked the infinity engine combat system, but perhaps because it focused on low level D&D encounters, it wasn't too bad in BG. Dragon Age tried to recreate the magic, but, well, failed.

6) Final Fantasy Tactics - The job system and an interesting story (with hilariously bad dialogue) are the highlights RPG wise. Aside from that it has the best SRPG combat along with Tactics Ogre. A pity the genre went downhill as devs decided to strip features from these pinnacles of the genre instead of adding to them.

7) Betrayal at Krondor - Shit, it's been so long I barely remember the game except that it had a great story, combat system and I couldn't believe a licensed title was so awesome. lol. Cue remake?

8) Deus Ex 1 - Didn't believe a FPS/RPG hybrid could be done well until this game came out. I recently bought Human Revolution and will be interested to see how it stands up to the original.

9) Wizardry 8 - Fantastic first person combat, character development etc. The biggest problem with the game is that monster spawns were ridiculous. There was literally no safe heaven in the game. lol

10) The Temple of Elemental Evil - Oh, what could have been! The best, most fully realized combat system ever created in an RPG and the game was buggy and unfinished. The game garners this ranking after patches and efforts from the modding community. I'd love to see a fully fledged RPG with this combat system. Would be orgasmic.


I'd included turn-based tactical games like XCOM, Age of Wonders etc., but feel they are too far removed from the RPG genre.

I haven't played The Witcher 2 yet, but hope it makes the list. The Witcher didn't because character development options are almost non-existent, and so the motivation to continue wasn't there.
 
1. The Witcher - This game will forever hold a special place in my heart. It was the first RPG where I felt invested in the characters, the setting, the lore, everything. This game is the first one that succeeded to tell a "mature" story. The world was filled to the brim with little details that made me feel completely immersed.

2. The Witcher 2 - An amazing sequel, that unfortunately fell short of surpassing its predecessor for me. The world was smaller, and the third act was lacking. Not to mention the number of monsters, and thus the "Witcher" missions were significantly reduced from the first game. However, it's still a landmark on showing the western devs how a small Polish studio can kick their asses with much less.

3. Fallout 3 - My introduction to the Fallout series. It was the first RPG that I actually completed. I remember the game being depressing as hell.

4. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. : Shadow of Chernobyl
- I consider this game to be an RPG, hence I'm including it on this list. It actually ranks higher in my lists of all time shooters, but I think the RPG mechanics alone get it on this spot on my list. One of the most fascinating games to ever be released on pc for me. It's rough around the edges, but underneath all the jank lies a masterpiece.

5. Dark Souls - Haven't finished playing through this yet, but what I've played so far is enough for me to know which spot it's taking on my list. Dark Souls is one of the hardests games I've ever played. There have been times when I wanted to throw my controller, but I just keep coming back for more.

6. Diablo II - It's Diablo 2, what else can I say.

7. Torchlight - A very close attempt to create a game that captures what made D2 fun. I enjoyed this a lot more than I was expecting.

8. Diablo III - A great game, that unfortunately didn't feel like a true sequel for me. There was something about it, that just didn't feel right. I had a great time playing once through the campaign and that was all I could take.
 
I suspect that time is running out so I'll try to make this as short as possible.

1) The Witcher
A different take on the medieval fantasy setting. Choices that matter and an excellent story makes this the number one game on my list.

2) Diablo 2
Outstanding gameplay that still holds up and an excellent multiplayer component makes Diablo 2 a classic.

3) Demon's Souls
Proved that less is more when it comes to story exposition. The atmosphere in each stage told more than a thousand words. The intense feeling of dread and helplessness from wandering through Boletaria could not be conveyed in a better way.

4) Valkyria Chronicles
Fairly unique when it comes to art style and setting. Also brought, as far as I know, some new gameplay mechanics to genre. Another excellent PS3 exclusive.

5) The Witcher 2
Same reasons as for The Witcher. Although the art is amazing, I felt that something was missing for the sequel to stand toe-to-toe with the original.

6) Pokemon Silver/Gold
Surpassed the originals in every way. Final boss fight is one of the most memorable of all time.

7) Alpha Protocol
Unpolished, unbalanced and sometimes even flat out broken, but that those not hinder this game from making it to my top10 list. Like the Witcher franchise, this game crafts an unique story according to your choices throughout the game, and the possibilities are almost endless.

8) Guild Wars
Great opportunities for countless of hours of fun with friends online.

9) Mass Effect 2
Lots of work went into the establishment of the characters and it all paid off once you reached the endgame. Hard to recall a more nerve wrecking final mission than the one in this game.

10) Mass Effect
Interesting universe, awesome soundtrack and personal choices that matter.
 
Actually, the thing I posted in here was somewhat shorter than the original product. I had to delete a few things. So about... 7500 words? The word count in those posts is much lower.

The same thing happened with my Soundtrack of the Year post, and a multitude of the FF4 playthrough posts. I had lots to say, but only so much space to say it in.

Just post them too , it will be interesting to read.
 
Hope I'm not too late. Looking at my list, it's pretty obvious that I favor JRPGs. I was too young to get into the original heyday of Western RPGs (Ultima, Wizardry, etc.), and I never really got into Bioware or Bethesda games. Also, I'm excluding some action-y titles like Dark Souls and Zelda from my list. They're some of my favorite games, but I don't really consider them to be RPGs.

1) Chrono Trigger - Easy pick for my overall favorite. I love everything about this game, and it's one of the few RPGs I've ever played more than a couple times through.
2) Fire Emblem (GBA) - This was my first exposure to the Fire Emblem series, and I couldn't get enough. I played through all of the stories multiple times, clearing all the extra missions, assembling all the optional characters, and working through a respectable number of support conversations. The music and visuals aren't as memorable as other games on this list. It's the refined, deep gameplay systems and quality writing that put it over the top. Fire Emblem has been my favorite SRPG series ever since.
3) World of Warcraft - I've been hot and cold on this game for the past... eight years? I've played it more than all the other games on the list combined. Maybe more than all other games combined, period.
4) Final Fantasy 6 - The high water mark of the Final Fantasy series and one of the best games on SNES. I love the huge cast of characters and unconventional story structure. The soundtrack is one of the best ever to grace any game, RPG or otherwise.
5) Dragon Quest 5 - My favorite Dragon Quest game. I love the classic DQ mechanics and the generational fairytale storyline. The inflection points in that story are some of the most memorable moments in any RPG I've ever played.
6) Xenoblade - The best RPG in recent years. Despite its obvious technical limitations, it has a sense of scale and progression that dwarfs anything in recent memory. Stellar art and music, a fun and involving combat system, and writing that strikes the right balance of lighthearted fun and melodrama.
7) Lufia 2 (3 points) - The overlooked gem of the SNES RPG library. Memorable characters, music, and puzzle design (yes really) make it stand out even today. The Ancient Cave side game is pretty great, too.
8) Diablo 2 - The best loot game in existence. Nothing else even comes close.
9) Etrian Odyssey 3 - I wasn't big on first person RPGs back in the day, but this series really has me hooked. Each entry has been better than the last, so I'm hoping that continues next year with EO4. The name of the game here is exploration, challenge, and kickass soundtracks.
10) Disgaea - The best entry in my second-favorite SPRG series. The sequels are mechanically superior, but the original still has the most memorable cast, story, and music.

Honorable Mentions

11) Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door - Spectacularly creative. I love the minimalist RPG mechanics and the clever writing.
12) Final Fantasy 5 - I really wish there would be another class-based Final Fantasy game. The MMOs don't count. Here's hoping Bravely Default ends up getting localized.
13) Earthbound - A quirky classic that exists almost solely to defy convention.
14) Valkyria Chronicles - Excellent SRPG with a very memorable look and an interesting setting. It's a shame the franchise immediately stalled out; there was a lot of potential here.
15) Asheron's Call - The first MMO I really got into. This game had a very different feel from the EQ- and WOW-alikes that dominate the genre today. It was very open-ended and very sloppy, mechanically. The game also had surprisingly good writing, which I miss in the genre today.

Unranked Honorable Mentions

- The World Ends With You - A wildly creative and mostly successful experiment.
- Ogre Battle 64 - One of the only worthwhile RPGs on N64, and the last entry in the pseudo-realtime Ogre Battle series. Easily my favorite "Ogre" game overall.
- Secret of Mana - Highly memorable but also somewhat infuriating, mechanically.
- Pokemon Blue - One of the reliable RPG mainstays. Somehow these games never register when I list my favorite games, but I certainly enjoy them.
 
1. Legends of Terris (PC) (Highlighted game)

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In the days of the mid-90s internet, when bandwidth was scarce, speeds were slow, and AOL was one of the more happening places out there, there was a new and fascinating world out there to discover. Part of that, was the fabulous world of MUDs. MUDs - multi-user dungeons - are easiest explained as the forerunner of today's MMORPGs, with one key difference - they are completely text-based (well, and typically a graphical front-end of some sort for interface, but, the room descriptions and actions and everything). Instead of seeing yourself entering a dark, murky cave, with moss creeping on the walls, blood dripping still wet from the edges, pieces of meat and flesh scattered to the sides, and the sound of goblins from further within, you would... well, you would read a description similar to what you just read, and then have to make a decision whether to go north, further into the cave, or south back out into the forest. Fortunately, you didn't have to face these challenges alone, as there were other players - from all over the world - out there to join forces with and brave the challenges.

Legends of Terris - at the time just known as Terris - was one of a number of MUDs that were on AOL in the mid-90s. Others included Dragon's Gate, Gemstone, DragonRealms, and others. But Terris was the one that I gravitated toward, and would spend hours upon hours exploring and interacting with everyone. In a world where pretty much any time, day or night, one would be joined by 300-400 people, there was so much to do and see and share and experience and live.

Of course, the mid-90s faded, as did AOL. Around the turn of the millennium, Terris made its way off of AOL, and onto the plain, regular internet, at legendsofterris.com. And, unfortunately, the population which used to be in the 300-400 range is now more typically in the 30-40 range. Still, there's a dedicated fanbase sticking around and keeping the game active, and still full of surprises. I'm just one of the players, I'm not involved in running it or anything like that, I just have a username which is based off the game that I've been regularly playing since those crazy mid-90s days, still discovering new and exciting things hidden away amongst all that text, with memories of people I shared great times with - some of whom have sadly passed on - and continuing friendships which are just as important to me as anything. I don't expect anyone other than me on here to have played it, or possibly even heard of it - although it would be great if others had as well - but, for me, it is probably one of the most important games in my life.


2. Chrono Trigger (SNES)

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RPGs have long been my favorite genre. But, out of them all, Chrono Trigger is the one that shines above them all as the perfect combination of everything that I have wanted in them. A perfect story (I don't care how cliché, nothing has told everything from "damsel in distress," "saving the world," and "princess kissing the frog" as good as this has), great characters (a silent protagonist is fine by me - I can imagine what I would be saying in each situation), beautiful graphics (frankly, I think this is the peak of how I would like a game to look, nothing even today compares to this), a memorable soundtrack, a wide variety of areas to explore, many different endings, choices to make throughout the game, secrets to discover, and just a joy to play through from beginning to end, time and time again.


3. Earthbound (SNES)

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It's funny to think how something can be so off-the-wall and wacky just by focusing on a seemingly typical setting. A seemingly-ordinary boy, in the sort of town that you might find walking down the street yourself, surrounded by typical, regular-life stuff... who is all of a sudden thrown into a strange situation. It's hard to describe exactly what it is that makes Earthbound so special, but in a world full of fantasy, the real-world setting of Earthbound seems like a breath of fresh air. Of course, that isn't to say it's without its zombies, aliens, dragons, and other more standard flora and fauna, but it's the juxtaposition of these themes which create quite a different feeling. Mix that with one of the better battle systems ever featured in a game, some great writing, and piles of memorable moments, and it's another game that really shines out.


4. Lufia and the Fortress of Doom (SNES)

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I have been into RPGs since the original Dragon Warrior on the NES, but, it was the first Lufia game for SNES which really kindled my enjoyment of the genre, and burst it into the passion that it is now. The thing which always stands out most for me about Lufia 1 is the story. It is simply impossible for me to play through this game without crying - typically multiple times. Beyond that, some great areas to explore, a wide variety of enemies, and the great adventure that is the Ancient Cave, and Lufia really is a wonderful game.


5. Lufia and the Rise of the Sinistrals (SNES)

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If you played Lufia and the Fortress of Doom, the first of the two Lufia games to be released for SNES, you will have noticed how at the beginning you were tossed into the climax of a rather dramatic situation. That situation was later fleshed out as the culmination of Lufia and the Rise of the Sinistrals - released afterwards, but coming chronologically before Fortress of Doom. For this reason many would say to play this game first, but I feel the gameplay flows better playing this one second - and there's still more to the ending to discover than what is shown in the first game. Rise of the Sinistrals shares many of the elements that made Fortress of Doom so great - in particular, an amazing story, and many tear-inducing moments - but also a more refined battle system, visible enemies through most of the game, and a bigger focus on dungeon puzzles. Many place Rise of the Sinistrals above Fortress of Doom for these reasons, and I admit my ordering of them is somewhat based on sentiment, but either way, they are both amazing games, and both definitely worth experiencing.


6. Mother 3 (GBA - Japan-only)

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Earthbound, mentioned up a bit on this list, was Mother 2 in Japan. Inside of Earthbound there were some specific references to a follow-up game planned - an "Earthbound 2 Development Office" in one of the towns, and an ending that was basically begging for a sequel. The path to that follow-up was an interesting one. Starting its development for the ill-fated 64DD that saw a sparse release in Japan, and a big change in style from the previous game, what was shown was still plenty of cause for excitement. Still, the add-on had a troubled path itself, and this game slowly faded away. For a while it looked like it might never happen at all. And then, out of the ashes rose this wonder of a game. It was pretty clear from the beginning this would never make its way out of Japan, but - with only a single semester of college Japanese under my belt, not nearly enough to understand much more than Hai and Iie - I imported this game the day it came out in Japan, and, armed with a translation guide, made my way through an absolutely unforgettable journey. A full translation of this game is out there now, of course, and if the game was a day-one purchase in a language I didn't understand, it is a must-have now, and a wonderful conclusion to one of gaming's most amazing series.


7. Final Fantasy Legend 1 (GB)

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Known in Japan as MakaiToushi SaGa, this game made it over to the US with a Final Fantasy branding. Regardless of the name that it was under, this game presents one of the best games for the original Gameboy, and still a wonderful game today. My main memories with this game are, every summer we would go to the beach for a week - and me, being the exciting person I am, would spend the week sitting on a blanket in the sand, playing this game. At the time it would generally take me around the full week to play through it - in part since I didn't fully get the level/stats/progression system - so it was a perfect fit. This game has you climbing up a tower, with different worlds at each section of the tower, which really creates an interesting atmosphere. You enter into one area, experience a unique and meaningful world, overcome challenges, and then further progress your way up the tower.


8. Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage (N64)

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People say that the N64 had basically no RPGs - and compared to the RPG wonderland that was the SNES, that is certainly a fair criticism. As the second N64 RPG from the company that brought you Quest 64, Aidyn Chronicles was created in part to right many of the things that had gone wrong with Quest 64 (which, while a fun game as well, certainly had its share of criticisms). Aidyn Chronicles is a huge, expansive RPG, filled with a deep story, a world full of secrets and mystery, so many things to discover and find, and is quite easy to get completely engrossed in. It's also a very lengthy game - my first playthrough of it was around 70 hours, and I think my most recent one ended at around 130. Even then there are so many possibilities left to try and things left to find, that it keeps bringing me back for more.


9. Shining Force: The Legacy of Great Intention (GEN)

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While I had played a Genesis plenty before this game, this was the game that made me purchase the system. While I'm typically not as keen on strategy/grid-based RPGs, this still stands out as one of my favorites. With a large cast of characters, they all still serve to be memorable. A number of towns and people to interact with and places to explore which are all quite interesting, and a great look and sound to everything as well.


10. Final Fantasy 6(3US) (SNES)

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I know it looks strange being so far down on this list, but that's just because there are so many RPGs that I enjoy. In my mind the pinnacle of the Final Fantasy series, one of the finer points about this game is how it manages to both have a large cast of characters, while at the same time making each of them unforgettable. With many different possible combinations of characters to use at a number of points, options for customizing characters (even if they do end up being pretty similar by the end if one is obsessive with leveling like me), and a great story, this really is a game that anyone who enjoys the series, or RPGs in general, should play. Although, I do much prefer the WoB to the WoR, but nonetheless.


Honorable mentions:

H1: Dragon Warrior 1 (NES)

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The game that introduced me to RPGs, while it's a bit lower on my list now due to all the games I've experienced since then, it still stands out as one of the best. A single warrior on a quest to save a princess - but thou must! - and a kingdom, the slow sense of progression as one slowly makes the way out from the starting castle, piece by piece braving further into the wilds really builds a sense of dedication and leads to a meaningful conclusion when the end is finally reached.


H2: Drakkhen (SNES)

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The game more typically shows up on people's most-disliked games lists, but, being one of the earlier SNES games that I got around when the system came out, I put a great deal of time in with this game, and while it certainly isn't perfect, there's still a good amount to appreciate. The world, composed of four separate sections, with castles in each are varied and interesting to explore. The castles themselves, in particular, have an amazing atmosphere and sense of mystery to them. The soundtrack as well is simply enchanting. While the battle system could have used a bit more work, even just for the journey through the game, it's a great experience.


H3: Final Fantasy 1 (NES)

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Who would have guessed when this game came out - a desperate cry for help from a company that produced such games as Rad Racer (pretty rad) to 3D WorldRunner (kind of rad) to King's Knight (pretty bad - and not in the 80s sense of that term either) - this game was surprisingly deep and involved. The knocking down of Garland and the crossing of the bridge was only the beginning of what would become an amazing journey. The character options, and the somewhat peculiar magic system only added to the charm, as half the fun was trying to play through the game with different varieties of character combinations. While I typically opted for a standard Fighter, Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage party, the challenge of a 4 White Mages party is always interesting as well.


H4: Pokémon Blue (GB)

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When Pokémon came out in the US, I was already in high school. I hadn't really noticed the game much initially, but thanks to a friend (now my brother-in-law) who had gotten it when it came out, I checked it out, and quickly became addicted. While I did manage to "catch them all," I made most of my way through the game with an (eventually) Level 100 Charizard (leveled up legitimately) and just a couple of other ones hanging around for HMs and such. Of course, battling with others at lunch (what better thing to do in a high school lunchroom than Pokémon battles?) things quickly turned into the typical "6 Level 100 Rare-candy-glitch-abused" groups, but even then, it was still great fun.


H5: Dragon Warrior 3 (NES)

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Honestly probably better than Dragon Warrior 1 which is a couple of spots up, Dragon Warrior 3 has an amazing party creation system, leading to all sorts of different ways to play through this game. With more areas to save in than the first game, the world sprawls out even more as you explore all over, taking your party to the furthest reaches as you discover all of the secrets this game holds. Trying out different character combinations, as well, leads to plenty of reason to play this game through time and again - to say nothing of how fun it is to play through.



There are countless more games that I could mention, there are so many RPGs that I love, but, that's a look at some of them. Some which are favorites of many others, and maybe something new in there to discover as well.
 
12 hours left to vote!

I saw a few people asking about the deadline, so I'm posting one last reminder tonight. Voting officially closes tomorrow at 11:59am. If you have already posted a list, check it over and make sure you are happy with it. I won't accept any changes past the deadline.


Thanks to those of you who said that you would be interested in helping out. I'll PM each of you tomorrow about setting up a system for collaborative efforts.


For those interested, here is an updated template that I will use for the Top 50 games:


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As I said last time, most of the info are there as placeholders, so disregard the ranking and system icons.

I made a few tweaks, and added cost and completion time info. I figured those things would be useful pieces of information for those looking to pick up titles that they missed.

-I will use the averages on Howlongtobeat.com for completion time so don't PM me if your personal time was way under or way over whatever I list :P

- Cost will be the price range a title is commonly available for (new if applicable). It will be a 5-point scale where each box is an increment of $20 (so 1 box = $0-20 and 5 boxes = $80+). For games like Chrono Trigger which have a range of prices based on what version you are looking at (the Virtual Console/PSN version is $8-10, while the SNES version is $50+), the cost rating will be based on the cheapest version.
 
Wow some really great lists a,nd a lot of hard work. Here are mine
1. FF VI (3)
2. DQ V
3. Kingdom Hearts 2
4. FF XII
5. Dark Cloud 2
6. Fallout 3
7. Dark Soul
8. The Wold Ends With You
9. FF X
10. Secrets of Mana

Honorable Mention
1. Sky's of Arcadia
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Lufia 2
4. Suikoden 2
5. Tales of Symphonia
 
That template looks great; the ranking thread should be pretty excellent. I'll throw my name in the hat if you need more volunteers to help put it all together.
 
1. Earthbound - SNES (Highlighted game)
I think Earthbound gets my highlighted game as it's the very first game that got me into RPG's. Without the quirkiness and having to take itself too seriously,
I doubt I'd even have given Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, or any other RPG a chance.

2. Chrono Cross - Sony Playstation
I decided to choose Cross over Trigger because the OST and the aesthetics are really what made the game stand out among the rest.
I have never been so excited to play a game like this. Even today, the only game that gives me that same feeling is watching the Versus XIII trailer.


3. Phantasy Star Online - Sega Dreamcast
The music, the gameplay, the fact it was the first online console RPG... just everything about this was so... SO good.

4. Final Fantasy Tactics - Sony Playstation
I love the story the mythos, the world, the characters... and despite how it's a SRPG it still is one of my favorite FF's.

5. Final Fantasy Type-0 - Playstation Portable
Final Fantasy Type-0... ah yes. The one that remains to be localized. I nominate this as easily import worthy. If you are a FF fan you should get this.
Even if you can't read Japanese, there's guides or even youtube playthrough's. This is a MUST if you like the old school FF style with some new elements.
It also really gives you a sense of what war is truly like. (From the mind of someone working at Square Enix, at least.)


6. Ragnarok Online - PC
Lastly... RO. The VERY first MMO I've ever played. 2D sprites in a 3D world. Amazing PVP AND PVE. Dungeons felt like you could explore,
combat was amazing, the job classes were perfect. To this day I still go back and play it!
 
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I'm not sure if your list is a work in progress or not, but if you want to be included in the aggregate list, make sure to add text titles for your picks on top of those box arts. Your votes won't be picked up otherwise. The tallying process is semi-automated.

EDIT: I see that you added descriptions which helps a bit, but text titles are the best bet to make sure your picks are counted properly.

That template looks great; the ranking thread should be pretty excellent. I'll throw my name in the hat if you need more volunteers to help put it all together.

Thanks! The aggregate list will be in this thread as well (like in past years). I like having everyone's individual contributions in the same place. I'll just change/add to the OP and get a mod to update the title.
 
I'm not sure if your list is a work in progress or not, but if you want to be included in the aggregate list, make sure to add text titles for your picks on top of those box arts. Your votes won't be picked up otherwise. The tallying process is semi-automated.

EDIT: I see that you added descriptions which helps a bit, but text titles are the best bet to make sure your picks are counted properly.

Yeh, it is a work in progress sorry. Working on multiple things at once. My bad. ^_^
 
Yeh, it is a work in progress sorry. Working on multiple things at once. My bad. ^_^

That's OK. As long as they are in there by tomorrow morning!

EDIT: And there they are. Great.

We are getting close to beating last year's participation number, which makes me happy. I would still like to break 200 participants. I think we need 9 more people to contribute.
 
I'm not in a writing mood (and I'm tired), so I will make my explanation quick and to the point. I also have no idea how to highlight on Gaf, so I'm going to bold my favorite. Thanks for the heads up on how to highlight, Nert!

1) Xenosaga III (three points)-In an era where an ending to a trilogy is a seldom satisfying, it was extremely refreshing to see one of my favorite franchise ending on a strong note.

2) Paper Mario: A Thousand Year Door-When this game was first release, I was a mild fan of the first Paper Mario, and I was in a mood for another RPG. So, I placed the CD into my Gamecube, and I was blown away from beginning to end. Easily my favorite RPG on that system.

3) Persona 4 (Golden)-This was the last game ever that made me stay up late in the early hours of the morning. Hell, I forgot about the flow of time existed while playing Persona 4.

4) The World Ends With You- I seldom buy OST for games, but TWEWU was one of the few that acquired the honor of chilling in my library. The gameplay is still unique to this day, and it is one of the best JRPG on the DS.

5) Radiant Historia-Though I cannot forget about this hidden Atlas gem. Amirox was even a fan of this game! It was very reminiscent of another brilliant RPG.

6) Chrono Trigger-This will most likely win this year, but hell Chrono Trigger was innovative for its time and time has not deflated its groove.

7) Final Fantasy IX- I am aiming to only keep to one Final Fantasy int this list, otherwise this list would be flooded with FF games. But, IX is easily my favorite in the franchise. A fantastic return to the classic turn-based style with some nice few tidbits tossed in the gameplay. A whimsical story and charming characters. The only fault I had with this title concerned the final boss fight. Otherwise, I am completely in love with FFIX.

8) Mass Effect- I was thinking about tossing this game into the honorable mention, but I realized I played this game so many times over, it isn't funny. This title made me super happy that I owned a Xbox during high school. Even though, the remaining games may have taken the franchise in a different (poorer) direction than the first one, Mass Effect will always hold a special place in my heart.

9) Nier- This game is amazing for the sum of its part rather than its individual part (at least for gameplay). With a horribly depressing and dark plot, damaged characters, and the best OST of this generation, I am happy to give this game the credit it deserves.

10) Xenosaga I- I had to include this game in my top 10, this was THE game that got me into the RPG genre. I acknowledge its sequel is a superior title, however Xenosaga I had tremendous heart. Plus, I may have ignored the genre if it wasn't for this random gem.

Honorable Mention:

11) Final Fantasy X- I know I said I would only choose one Final Fantasy title, but I had to give this game some credit, at least in the Honorable Mention section. This was THE first RPG I ever played. While it was Xenosaga that truly convinced to leap into this genre, I cannot ignore the impact this game had on my childhood. While I may think the narrative is bad today, I cannot argue the greatness of the gameplay, OST, or even graphics. Plus, I loved the narrative when I was younger too. Dat nostalgic factor.

12) Persona 3- Persona 4 improved on all the gameplay fault of Persona 3, plus the writing gave the new cast greater depth. With that said, Persona 3 got me into this wondrous franchise. For a complete reboot of a franchise, I cannot deny it did a lot things right.

13) Chrono Cross- One of the best OST known to man. I also really dug the plot and the references to Chrono Trigger. A lot of people hated this game because it was not truly a sequel to CT (
and it fucked over a lot of the prior cast
). Yet, I have very fond memories of this title, and I want more people to experience this gem.

14) EarthBound- A groovtastic SNES JRPG. The writing is marvelous, and when it comes to charm...Well, one would be hard press to convince someone this game is soulless. I cannot remember much of Earthbound, so I had to place it into the honorable mention section, perhaps when I replay it, it will be higher on my list.

15) Fire Emblem 7- I wasn't planning to place FE into my list, since I don't see it as a true RPG. However, I wanted to give the first game in the series that came out in the states proper nods. And I see a lot FEs in people's lists, so I am fine with squeezing this one in.

Edit: Thank god, I'm done. I can go to bed now. I gave Xenosaga I and III their proper dues. I am excited to see the end results!
 
Criminal Girls (PSP)
I didn't import this because, well, you know why. But then I remembered I played Neptunia mk2 which had some of the same issues and liked it despite the unpleasantness.

Is it really that good?

It's a lot better than the Neptunia games, and I think it has less unpleasantness too. If you like the battle system and dig really nice 2D artwork, you'll probably love the game. That's what happened for me.
 
1. Chrono Trigger: What is there to say about this game that hasn't been said before? A dream team of developers that will never be matched again coming together to create a game where each of its components is the best the genre has to offer. The characters are all unique and interesting, each of them having special quests and roles in the story, I would like to believe that this game forged the way for social links and relationship charts in more modern games. The story is supremely epic, following the cast through time and space to prevent an apocalypse with twists and turns around every corner. The music is fitting, having extremely memorable pieces both inside battles and out in the overworld. A timeless classic about time itself, any self respecting gamer owes it to themselves to play Chrono Trigger.

2. Final Fantasy Tactics: I will never forget being a teenager and stumbling across this in EBgames one day. I loved FF4, 6, and 7 and reading the back of the box sold me on this game. I am truly grateful for whatever associate put it out on display since I might've missed out on this game otherwise. Using the mythos and lore of Final Fantasy for a class based SRPG was a brilliant idea, not only was this game extremely fun but it had a great story that stands above most others. The story of Ramza Beoulve takes us from his cadet years to his days of being a mercenary until he gets wrapped up in the middle of another war over the future of Ivalice and along the way there is no shortage of twists, almost like Game of Thrones in many aspects. My wish is to see a true sequel to FFT one day, the GBA and DS ones lacked the scope, presentation and engrossing story of the original.

3. Xenoblade Chronicles: Having finally played it this year it's still fresh in my mind but this game is the foundation for what I want to see from RPGs in the future. A blend of both western and eastern design, the game shines in almost every aspect. The characters, story and setting are a breath of fresh air for the genre. The battle system rooted in MMO philosophy has a lot of potential and could be developed further in Monolith Soft's next work. They truly deserve praise for what they accomplished on the Wii in technical terms. Also one of the best soundtracks ever. Some pacing issues towards the endgame part are all that keep this from being a perfect game.

4. Final Fantasy VI: For me this was the pinnacle of the mainline FF series. An awesome story of rebellion against an oppressive Empire with a diverse cast of party members that include a brainwashed half Esper to a thieving "treasure hunter" searching the world for a way to revive his long lost love to a samurai warrior out for revenge for his poisoned family and kingdom, it's hard to not feel for them all. An adventure that is rarely ever boring and with an earth shattering twist in the middle of the game, FF6 is a game that truly deserves a remake treatment.

5. Persona 4: A game I nearly skipped over, I made the mistake of jumping right into this game immediately after having beat Persona 3 and felt disconnected from the game completely. The setting was boring and the initial story was slow and the characters were complete goofs that it turned me off from the game. I shelved the game in disappointment and picked it up later and then the game began to resonate with me. Originally I wanted a game that was like P3 but that's where I was mistaken. P4 is the compete opposite of P3 in almost every way imaginable. Another GAFer said in a thread that while Persona 3 is about the robbery of youth, Persona 4 is the embodiment and embrace meant of it. Yu and his friends truly form bonds that cannot be broken with one another through their adventure to solve a murder mystery that winds up being larger than they could imagine. I truly felt attached to the characters by the end of the game that I couldn't help but get emotional with what happens during the endgame and after. Aside from the story, the game fixes everything that was broken and busted with Persona 3 and is more enjoyable because of it. I eagerly await Persona 5 but it has a lot to live up to.

6. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance : My favorite Fire Emblem game to date, out of all the ones releases in the west so far this one managed to elevate the series for me. Ike is perhaps one of my favorite RPG protagonists, his backstory is simple enough but only made more likeable due to him coming from simple means. He is no Lord and perhaps because of that he is more relatable to other people in the game and fights for what he believes in. The other characters were great and as always the relationships you can build help to add a personal touch to the game. Permadeath makes Fire Emblem challenging and rewarding, definitely an SRPG classic.

7. Final Fantasy 4 : My first RPG ever this game holds a special place in my heart. Previously only having played platformers or 2D shooters this game wowed me in every way possible. The story was deep and enriching back then and placed an emphasis on the characters, something which was new to me. The game that had me begging my parents for a SNES for Christmas, I probably had an N64 kid reaction when I wound up getting it.

8. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door: The game on this list that proves you don't need to have a save the world plot line to be fun. Oozing of charm, humor and wit, this is one of the best localization efforts ever made. The gameplay of the series is at its best here and hopefully will return to it after the disappointing attempts in SPM and Sticker Star. The NPCs in this game are the best of any game ever and deserve their return'

9. Valkyrie Profile : a fascinating original story based on Norse mythology, this game had an unconventional battle system that made playing the game fun. A blend of 2d platformin exploration and real time battle attacks to exploit combos, I would recommend this game based on that alone. Fortunately the game has a great art style, interesting story if not somber, a great soundtrack and one of the great RPGs of the PS1.

10. Pokemon Red : It would be criminal not to include this, as even at the basis of being an RPG the monster collecting, training, trading and evolving was truly ahead of its time and especially so given the hardware limitations of the original Game Boy. I believe Pokemon is one of those tried and true classics for kids of every generation like a rite of passage.

Honorable Mentions

Tales of Vesperia: Great battle system, Yuri was a fantastic lead and the story was great for the majority of the game.

The World Ends With You: An original, innovative game that is unlike anything else, this game deserves all the praise it gets and us fans deserve a true sequel.

Earthbound: Classic RPG in an unconventional setting with great characters and writing, we need an official Mother collection.

Fallout 3 : Definitely an amazing game that surpassed my expectations and reservations that I had leading up to the release of it.

Lunar Silver Star Story Complete: one of the most charming RPGs, classic in every sense of the word.
 
Probably case by case. The Digital Devil Saga games were released 6 months apart, so I will just treat them as one game like I would Shining Force 3 scenarios. Same goes with the .Hack games.

If people list two non-episodic games together (eg. Morrowind/Skyrim, or Mass Effect 1/2) I will split the points provided they didn't list any honorable mentions. If they have HMs, I will just disqualify the entry. Same with anyone who lists 3+ games under an entry. If the grouped entry falls under the Honorable mentions section, I will just throw it out, since I am not doing half points.
Any chance you'll be noting the "likely to be disqualified" entries in this thread so people will have the opportunity to correct any errors prior to today's deadline? Some are clearly obvious like the guy who ranked 5 different variants/remakes of the exact same Harvest Moon game (which was silly seeing how he could have just rhymed off 5 unique Harvest Moon games and had a valid list) but some others might not be.

Also, consider this a heads up that I have slightly changed my RPG rankings list (Post #94).

To make it easy on you, I'll just summarize the changes as follows:
- The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky - +1 Point
- Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - +1 Point
- Final Fantasy VI - -1 Point
- Persona 4 - -1 Point


Doing my part to help TiTS break into the Top 50 for the first time this year.
 
Persona 4 is gonna crack the top 3 this year, Xenoblade am cry.
Technically, Persona 4 cracked the Top 5 last year as well.
It's breaking through the Squaresoft SNES-era 1-2 punch at the top that will be unprecedented.

I figure Xenoblade is likely to slip two spots at most - possibly settling into 5th.
Dark Souls is going to make waves by leaping from 19th into the Top 5. It's kind of a horse race between those two titles.
 
A work-in-progress preview of this year's rank headers:

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Ignore the rank numbers and obviously wrong platforms. They are placeholders.

I wanted to draw more attention to where you can currently buy these games (hence the icons for PSN, Steam, Virtual Console, etc). Someone also suggested adding an indication if a game changed rank from the 2012 list (which will be represented by the smaller number and arrow).

Each game will also have a summary paragraph as usual. I haven't decided if I will use the Title Screen/Screen shot/Artwork three picture format again this year, or if I will make some changes to that as well.

Any other suggestions for the Top 50 entries this year? Anything you would like to see me include (if it is not too much work)?

that's amazing! Gafers always have amazing talent
 
Any chance you'll be noting the "likely to be disqualified" entries in this thread so people will have the opportunity to correct any errors prior to today's deadline? Some are clearly obvious like the guy who ranked 5 different variants/remakes of the exact same Harvest Moon game (which was silly seeing how he could have just rhymed off 5 unique Harvest Moon games and had a valid list) but some others might not be.


I'm not going to disqualify people for minor stuff. If someone stuck two games in a single slot (e.g. Mass Effect 1 + 2), I'll just make a judgement call. We're not voting for a political office or anything :P

There were a few people whose posts have some major problems though:

Participants who only listed 1-3 games (instead of the 5 game minimum):
NeoZylom
Luchashaq
Kai3345
KSai


Lists that will need to be disqualified altogether in their current form:
- Dark Octave: A brain dump of ~20 games with no separation between regular votes and HMs
- isual: Most entries were for entire series.


That was all that I noticed on a quick pass through.
 
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