TheMoon
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They did GBA on Wii U VC. Not 3DS.
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NERD behind Nintendo Classic Mini: NES emulation (i.e. it's not the Wii U emulator)
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They did GBA on Wii U VC. Not 3DS.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
M2 did the GBA emulator on Wii U, not 3DS.
And yes, GBA on 3DS is 100% native. They actually patched the GBA BIOS into the 3DS in order to support those games.
I'd never heard that. Interesting.
now THIS needs some corroboration.
SpiceMelange
Member
With those controller ports and no ethernet I'm betting on wii mini.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Yup. The box is locked down, the 30 games that have been announced are it.
SinCityAssassin
Member
They've established that for weeks, yes.
TheGreyHulk
Member
barring some type of homebrew hack, the games are locked as shipped.
OK, thanks. Seems like more of a cool nostalgia/conversation piece.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
It wouldn't be a re-cased Wii Mini, but it could be built around a fairly modified Wii chipset though. A New 3DS-derived PICA chipset is possible too. It could even be a custom Tegra device, but I really doubt it.
TheMoon
Member
Yes.
Wait. Tre was in the Budlight commercial with Bosman? Man what a crossover.
3DS-based makes way more sense tbh. Wii CPUs are years old and made on decade-old power-hungry processes. Throwing some 2DS bits in a NES-shaped box is much more plausible.
Really, they seem great NERD indeed ;P
The 3D Classics were made by Arika, the VC emulators were made internally I think.
Arika did the Nintendo 3D Classics, M2 did the Sega ones.
Edit: I looked it up, M2 did the Game Gear VC emulator for 3DS, but I think that's it.
They aren't creating games, so it's some other kind of software (e.g. OS, emulation, etc.).
Link_enfant
Member
I really hope we'll have an original resolution setting like SNES VC on New 3DS.
Still great news!
Still great news!
TheMoon
Member
Doesn't the DS emulator also have some options to make games look better (that were disabled for stability reasons)? Indicates NERD's dedication to detail. Wouldn't surprise me if it was also their idea to use the Wii connector plugs for the controllers.
Depending on the licence, using open source software in your product can open a huge legal can of worms. They can have very strong requirements that you yourself open whatever you use it in.
TheMoon
Member
DS emu has a similar "blur on / off" toggle to the one in the endlessly praised GBA emu by M2. Plus all those screen configs.
petran79
Banned
Neo Geo portable developers used Finalburn to emulate games without asking anyone.
The developer of the programm did not mind and did not push things further.
There was also a recent PC game (cant remember name) that used a Snes9x emulator and the publishers claimed they had the approval of the original Snes9x developers. But they had abandoned the project years ago. Things were settled in that case too.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I don't think one last hurrah for Nintendo's PowerPC-based architecture is impossible. Realistically though, it's probably some flavor of ARM-centric chipset, be it 3DS-derived or otherwise.
That's awfully hazardous, though.
Also, most works on emulators now are probably collaborative, so it's even harder to get a green...
NoFaceNico
Member
Not really. Companies can steal all they want because the Free Software Foundation refuses to go after anyone nor will they honor any open source licenses that tack on anti-commercialization requirements because they say it violates the definition of what open source is.
Back when Hyperkin stole all those emulators for the Retron 5, the FSF did nothing. By their rules, if you label anything "open source" that means it is open source with no other requirements, period. So all those GPL licenses that prohibit their software from being used in a commercial distribution shouldn't be enforced because true open source would have none of those prohibitions.
Yes there are anti-Tivoization case law out there but it doesn't mean jack shit if the main proponents behind the open source movement don't protect the people developing the software. So companies should steal all they want, no one's going to ever go after them.
Starwolf_UK
Member
I thought this was kind of relevant to plagarised emulators:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScummVM#Mistic.27s_GPL_violations
The ambassador GBA games have a similar toggle to turn off the blur but doing so can cause screen burn (things like the F-Zero GBA game maps do transparency by flickering the screen).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScummVM#Mistic.27s_GPL_violations
Thanks, Nintendo and you wonder why nobody whistleblows to you.
Yep inside configuration_cafe.json (interesting name...) is a line called Renderscale which if you set to 2 doubles internal resolution removing jaggles.
The ambassador GBA games have a similar toggle to turn off the blur but doing so can cause screen burn (things like the F-Zero GBA game maps do transparency by flickering the screen).
UserDoesNotExist
Member
If they're the people behind the eye tracking on the New 3DS, count me in. On the 3DS XL, a slight blink would screw up the 3D. On my New 3DS, I often play in turbulence on airplanes with nary a hitch. Thing's a godsent to business travelers.
Pokemaniac
Member
There is definitely a post-processing filter. The image isn't just darkened, they applied smoothing to it.
Dark Cloud
Member
I wonder what they would work on for the NX.
We have NERD and probably DENA doing some good stuff for th NX.
We have NERD and probably DENA doing some good stuff for th NX.
whoa holy shit
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Yes. I dearly miss how awesome it was. Especially when going to sites with their own players such as Cinemassare. You'd sometimes have to do certain tricks to get the videos to play but they worked. My PS4 lets me down in that area. The whole browser does actually.
Looking at the original source Wikipedia's article is wrong btw. Nintendo took no legal action, Atari directly was the one who threatened to defensively challenge ScummVM's legaity with reverse engineering. It sounds like Nintendo wasn't even notified or involved beyond their NDA.
Roto Prime
Banned
WOW, NOE please invade and conquer NOA! NERD IS AMAZING! I can't wait to get my very own NES CLASSIC...
It's also worth mentioning Arika's 3D Classics for Nintendo were all ports while M2's 3D Classics for Sega were a mix of ports (arcade games) and tweaked roms using enhanced emulation (MegaDrive, Master System games).
As far as the Virtual Consoles, I could find the following groups attributed:
3DS
Nintendo Network Service Development- Game Boy, Game Boy Color, NES
M2- Game Gear
???- PC Engine
Wii U
Nintendo Network Service Development- NES, Super NES
M2- Game Boy Advance
Nintendo Software Technology- Nintendo 64
Nintendo European Research & Development- Nintendo DS
D4 Enterprise- TurboGrafx-16, MSX
n3DS
???- Super NES
NumberThree
Member
Why would "Nintendo European Research and Development" be considered a team outside of Nintendo? Or "Nintendo Software Technology" (NST) for that matter..
No. Both are 100% Nintendo owned and operated divisions.
SinCityAssassin
Member
In a sense that it's both a division outside Japan, and used to be its own company before Nintendo bought them (Mobiclip). They're still 100% Nintendo at this point though.
TheMoon
Member
What's the source on NST doing N64 again on Wii U beyond assuming they just did it again because they did the Wii N64 emu?
I thought there were hints discovered in the code but now I can't any sources so idk. Although they did do all previous N64 emultion on GC/Wii so it's a solid guess.