This looks really nice but the shooting mechanics look a lot like KZ3 to me, which is a disappointment. Killzone 2, for all the complaints people seemed to have about it, had some of the best and most unique shooting/combat I've ever played. I was hoping for a return to that. Still looks alright though.
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New build of Killzone Shadow Fall shows improvements
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I know absolutely where you're coming from with that. Sometimes, with the AK for example, you had no choice but to spray and try and control it by aiming contrary to your interpretation of the spread in this specific situation. It offered, as you say, continuous depth to the mechanics that could be learnt and mastered.
Crucially, however, it was satisfying because you knew opponents were also wrestling with the mechanics to kill you. If the core mechanics in Shadow Fall make encounters so, to put it bluntly, mindless then you won't have this result. If three players in Shadow Fall corner one player, it appears to be borderline impossible for said three to not drop the one because of how mechanically shallow the encounters appear.
If a player can hold the trigger down with an LMG and barely miss a bullet from eight feet then I just can't see this game having much depth. This is the core of my complaint, and why, despite it being a visual feast, and despite me saying it's a must purchase title for anyone buying a PS4, I can't see it gaining much traction months down the line when the initial aesthetic anaesthetic has faded and people are drawn back by how the game plays, not how it looks.
I know you've reiterated it, and I know they've said it, but it's October and we've yet to see a video demonstrating it. I'm just commenting on what I see. When I see mechanics as deep as Killzone 2 I'll be the first to applaud.
And I believe there's a huge difference between Killzone 2 and 3 regarding what we've been discussing, so I absolutely don't agree with your 'flawless track record' comment. I felt they CODified (such a horrendous term) Killzone 3 and as such I'm frustrated with what I'm seeing from Shadow Fall because it doesn't appear to be reversing this.
Mikado
Member
I think they're the glowing bullet hits against the wall burned into the viewer's camera's CCD for a few frames (this looks like off-screen footage)? Or maybe that's an effect within the game like the video distortion tom-foolery in Kane&Lynch 2?
I'm not really much of an FPS player but I'm diggin' the look of this. Cautiously hype-temistic.
I made a transcript of the conversation going on in the background during the video (as best I could). It appears to be between two broken-english interviewers and what sounds like Herman Hulst.
Herman Hulst:
There are several objectives and I can do them in whatever order I want. So, pick one. Do you want me to go here first? The smoke? Or you want me to go to the [something]? Smoke?
Man 1:
Yeah. So, is this Vekta or someplace else?
Herman Hulst:
This is Vekta. This is the Helgan side of Vekta.
Man 2:
So the Vekta was separated? How..
Herman Hulst:
Yes. There is a huge wall and they have divided the planet in two.
Man 2:
So, how many RAM does the game use at this moment?
Herman Hulst:
Uhh…no comment. I wasn't one of the programmers on this. I couldn't even tell you.
Man 2:
Because I heard that the game were using 4GB of RAM in the old builds.
Herman Hulst:
Uh, again I couldn't say.
Man 2:
So you can rappel up to everything?
Herman Hulst:
Yes, as long as you are in a higher position. So if you're higher than the point you're repelling to I can even repel… close… a small section. As long as you are a higher position and a range of about 50 meters.
Man 1:
So the Drone has a life meter?
Herman Hulst:
It has [a lot of life?]. I can choose the [something] by swiping the d-pad… sorry… by swiping the touch pad and activate it by pressing the d-pad.
Herman Hulst:
At the top you can see the health, the white bar. If it gets damaged it will go to your back and recharges.
Man 1:
Did [something] survive after Killzone 3?
Herman Hulst:
What was that?
Man 1:
Uh, did the [something] survive after the..
Man 2:
No, I think they will no want spoilers. Okay, we will ask very politely. [laughs] Will we see any old characters from the previous Killzones?
Herman Hulst:
Uh… you will have to play the game to see that.
Man 1 and 2:
Okay [laughs].
Man 2:
It looks really nice.
Herman Hulst:
Thank you.
Man 1:
Yeah.
Herman Hulst:
There are several objectives and I can do them in whatever order I want. So, pick one. Do you want me to go here first? The smoke? Or you want me to go to the [something]? Smoke?
Man 1:
Yeah. So, is this Vekta or someplace else?
Herman Hulst:
This is Vekta. This is the Helgan side of Vekta.
Man 2:
So the Vekta was separated? How..
Herman Hulst:
Yes. There is a huge wall and they have divided the planet in two.
Man 2:
So, how many RAM does the game use at this moment?
Herman Hulst:
Uhh…no comment. I wasn't one of the programmers on this. I couldn't even tell you.
Man 2:
Because I heard that the game were using 4GB of RAM in the old builds.
Herman Hulst:
Uh, again I couldn't say.
Man 2:
So you can rappel up to everything?
Herman Hulst:
Yes, as long as you are in a higher position. So if you're higher than the point you're repelling to I can even repel… close… a small section. As long as you are a higher position and a range of about 50 meters.
Man 1:
So the Drone has a life meter?
Herman Hulst:
It has [a lot of life?]. I can choose the [something] by swiping the d-pad… sorry… by swiping the touch pad and activate it by pressing the d-pad.
Herman Hulst:
At the top you can see the health, the white bar. If it gets damaged it will go to your back and recharges.
Man 1:
Did [something] survive after Killzone 3?
Herman Hulst:
What was that?
Man 1:
Uh, did the [something] survive after the..
Man 2:
No, I think they will no want spoilers. Okay, we will ask very politely. [laughs] Will we see any old characters from the previous Killzones?
Herman Hulst:
Uh… you will have to play the game to see that.
Man 1 and 2:
Okay [laughs].
Man 2:
It looks really nice.
Herman Hulst:
Thank you.
Man 1:
Yeah.
No, it's dust. It's very dusty so there is a cloud of dust particles floating in the air.
I just watched the first video and there's literally no recoil, especially when they ADS, those guns are like lazers.
ricen-beans
Member
This is an old build. Devs have already stated that there was little to no recoil in this build but in the final game there will be more recoil.
TrojanBlade
Member
No I have not and I'll take a look at them...
But its not just about unforgiving...its about that special sauce that DS games have...you get screwed in the ass but you still come back for more cuz its just addicting and you want to play and see what's beyond the current point. Its a unique balance of unforgiveness, reward, intrigue and exploration.
Yeah, they seem to be illuminated by the drones blue energy trail.
airmangataosenai
Member
Never change GAF.
"I'm sick of all these dudebro shooters. Give me something creative and unique!"
Fair enough. Out of curiosity, I noticed you lumbered BF in with Killzone and Counter Strike with the recoil mention. I realise it's better to feather shots with many weapons in BF4, but is this really that much more recoil? Doesn't seem it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LADVqcRJTs
I played Shadow Fall MP at Eurogamer and it is has more weight and recoil than KZ3 has.
Hhhhhnnngggg
AstroZombie
Banned
I think Crysis also does that.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yeah, the next time I get to the GameStop where everything is preordered, I'm switching from BF4 to Killzone.
Playing Mercenary also got me itching for more Killzone.
Playing Mercenary also got me itching for more Killzone.
TrojanBlade
Member
Thank you GG...excellent news. Please keep it that way.
malboroking
Banned
Never change GAF.
"I'm sick of all these dudebro shooters. Give me something creative and unique!"
You can ignore Derrick01, he hates everything. Theres like 3 games that he'll admit to liking.
I feel like more and more people are doing this.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Honestly, I think this will be the best received launch title. We all have nothing to go on but hunches, but I think Killzone will be the most pleasing to purchasers and will be regarded, in time, as the best title of both consoles launches.
Dictator93
Member
Only if you add in a console command, BUt yeah.. that too
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I think it and F5 will likely be the highest rated exclusive games on both platforms
My exact expectation as well. It seems like they're going to be delivering a fully featured game that pushes the series forward on day one, which is a real feat if they pull it off. Graphically the game is insane too. Only Ryse is even in the same league on a technical level.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I know Call of Duty will sell well but most gamers I know are starting to get burned out on the series. Of course, my little world might be some pocket universe out of sorts with the rest of reality. If I had to predict I would say this one sells will sell about the same, if not slightly more than the last title but after that it will slowly trend downward as better developers begin to challenge them on next gen platforms.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
My tune could certainly change but my core group of friends that used to get COD every year are skipping this one for KZSF and potentially Battlefield.
I think BF4 is going to do really well on next gen while CoD will continue to dominate current gen.
My brother and friend were going to get KZSF but are now just going to play Blacklight Retribution until Destiny comes out. :-/ I told them to at least try my copy of it before making a final decision, which they both agreed to.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Thats smart. Retribution sounds really fun too.
Never change GAF.
"I'm sick of all these dudebro shooters. Give me something creative and unique!"
I have nothing against shooters, only that there's so many every year and they all seem to play the same. A new generation is coming and I'm a little frustrated that they seem to be the same still but with an admittedly really fucking nice new coat of paint.
Also does the game in that picture actually exist? Jesus.
It does, and I'll definitely play it, but there's no way I could NOT buy KZSF, even for the visual spectacle alone (which, let's be honest, BL Retribution will not have much of).
dripdripsplash
Member
Looks so damn good, even off-screen.
Looks fucking amazing.
I've said it before but I'll say it again, Killzone being a launch title is the absolute best thing that could happen to the franchise. So many people are going to be buying it (it's the #1 pre-ordered game) and the community is going to blow up in size and popularity.
I've said it before but I'll say it again, Killzone being a launch title is the absolute best thing that could happen to the franchise. So many people are going to be buying it (it's the #1 pre-ordered game) and the community is going to blow up in size and popularity.
I think that's why Sony is getting both Killzone and inFamous out there early on. Neither franchise has huge followings but they're good and will get a lot more attention since they're going to be the only purely next gen FPS and open world games for a while. I think Sony wants to turn them both into flagship franchises.
RedAssedApe
Banned
is there a super duper hq video im missing. i can never see shit in these off-screen videos. at least not enough to comment on how something looks better... :\
Kelegacy
XBOX - RECORD ME LOVING DOWN MY WOMAN GOOD
I'm playing 3 for the first time right now and besides the resolution, the game just looks awesome. If it can smooth out the jaggies and artifacts...goddamn. I won't buy it since I don't buy any FPS for full price, but I'll probably rent it or snag it cheap when it hits $15 or so. FPS tend to be way too short and linear for my liking, and I don't play multiplayer. But I always enjoy the ride while they last.
Stillmatic
Member
Do we know if proximity chat is coming back for KZ:SF?
The fog in this version is completely new and makes a pretty big difference.
Psychological Intellect
Banned
fog.....
yay?
yay?
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Isn't fog usually put in to hide the draw distance?
Dictator93
Member
no. Maybe in the n64 days. This is volumetric, shadow recieving fog. It is actually relatively expensive.
SolidSnakex
Member
Exactly. The N64 has caused people to think that fog is always a bad thing.
Boom. Damn good to hear.
Ok Jack is moving way too fast for that gif lol.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Damn RIGHT!..... Hell Yeah!!!!!
GreggTheGrimReaper
Member
With fog returning for Next Gen I hope we'll also see Turok returning at some point.
Volumetric fog that interacts with light like this is a very advanced technique.
Ricerocket
Member
If you watch the video, you're on an island or whatever way up in the sky and it's like clouds passing through. It's constantly moving unlike the old kind of fog
viveks86
Gold Member
Awesome!
Also, the video in the OP does look considerably improved.
I'm not sure if I'm imagining this, but I noticed the way the tree branches sway has changed from the E3 build. It seems like individual clusters of leaves sway independently now. In the older videos that I checked, it seemed like the entire branch swayed in one direction. Anybody else notice this? I could be seeing things, but a couple of frames in this video really caught my eye, unlike before!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G8UhrlEx8ho#t=1m55s
Louis Cyphre
Banned
If you watch the video, you're on an island or whatever way up in the sky and it's like clouds passing through. It's constantly moving unlike the old kind of fog
Good, that is what I want to hear (and see).