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New(er) Simpsons is so weird

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Bakkus

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If you're talking post cancellation then sure, but pre-cancellation was pure gold.

I can't agree on that to be honest. I felt the characters were very one dimensional alongside my previous criticisms. How many of the episodes have a central theme of Fry being an idiot and Leela getting really annoyed by it, while Bender is cracking one liners and stealing stuff? Definitely over half of them. Got really repetitive imo. Don't even get me started on the Zapp Brannigan episodes, perhaps the most annoying character ever.
 
For me when I was a kid, my breaking point was when they left their house to live in a colonial home reality show thing. Squiggy was there.

It was already becoming nonsense around this time, but this episode in particular just felt like they could give any less of a fuck. Trangulate between this episode and the Jockey elves one, and you have my personal lowest point in the series. Maybe Sadgasm as a capper to the era of lowest lows. I feel like I've watched the episodes from Seasons 13-20 the absolute least out of the entire run. Cynical, mean humor took over, and jerkass Homer was king.

The HD era has somewhat elevated and plataued with general consistent quality. No where near heyday, but a more tolerable package than the McFarlane triology of "humor". There are still moments of brilliance and fantastic gags, and very decent to great episodes that could sit next to the classics (Halloween of Horror).

My Animation Domination ranking is

Bob's Burgers>>>>The Simpsons>>>>>>>>>American Dad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Family Guy
 

Randam

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Always surprised how long some kept watching the show.
I stopped after season 11.

10 wasn't as good, but I kinda liked it, but 11?
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G-Fex

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I can't remember when I said 'fuck this show'


Was it the fake skinner and real skinner episode?

The Behind the Laughter parody?

The Homer becomes a artist episode?

Or the frank grimes one, I'm leaning towards one of the 3 before this.
 

Auctopus

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I just hate how the new writers have zero respect for the characters that in older episodes are taken such good care of.
 

glaurung

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I can't remember when I said 'fuck this show'
I remember exactly when this show died for me.

It was the Missionary Impossible episode. I watched it on regular TV, so that it had an ad break in the middle. When the ad break ended and the story continued, I realized just how shitty and aimless it was. The narrative fell flat on its face and was replaced with poorly written, non-sequitor jokes.

Pretty sure I've told this story on NeoGAF before as well.
 

Kazuhira

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I dunno it has its moments,it's not 100% pure comedy gold like before but whatever..
That episode where dolphins want to conquer the world was pretty fucking good.
 

G-Fex

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I remember exactly when this show died for me.

It was the Missionary Impossible episode. I watched it on regular TV, so that it had an ad break in the middle. When the ad break ended and the story continued, I realized just how shitty and aimless it was. The narrative fell flat on its face and was replaced with poorly written, non-sequitor jokes.

Pretty sure I've told this story on NeoGAF before as well.

Ohhhh my god

I think I tried blocking this one from my memory it's so fucking awful. What's worse is that there was a period of reruns from newer seasons and almost all the time they'd show this episode.
 

freoleo29

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I remember exactly when this show died for me.

It was the Missionary Impossible episode. I watched it on regular TV, so that it had an ad break in the middle. When the ad break ended and the story continued, I realized just how shitty and aimless it was. The narrative fell flat on its face and was replaced with poorly written, non-sequitor jokes.

Pretty sure I've told this story on NeoGAF before as well.

Whaaaaaattt, isn't this the episode where Homer keeps shouting save me Jebus
If it is then the episode is good just on the basis of that, such a dumb but hilarious thing
 
I continued to watch the show into seasons 12 and 13 because I was a kid and didn't know any better, but season 9 is the end of the classic era for me. It's a good season overall, but it doesn't measure up to the golden age. Season 10 is where the decline becomes super obvious, and after that it's no longer worth watching outside of a handful of episodes (at most) per season.
 

jstripes

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Homer's Enemy is the series finale.

That's actually not too far from the truth.

The showrunners at the time thought the series was coming to an end, so they had some fun and made that episode to deconstruct how absurd Homer's life had become.

Unfortunately, the next showrunner used that episode as a blueprint, and that's where everything went to shit.
 

Amalthea

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I try to imagine that the bible stories episode was the finale and everything that came afterwards is basically the Simpsons in hell.
 

Bread

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I remember exactly when this show died for me.

It was the Missionary Impossible episode. I watched it on regular TV, so that it had an ad break in the middle. When the ad break ended and the story continued, I realized just how shitty and aimless it was. The narrative fell flat on its face and was replaced with poorly written, non-sequitor jokes.

Pretty sure I've told this story on NeoGAF before as well.
After the failure of the casino, Homer builds a chapel in penance, but he and Lisa Jr. ring the bell too loudly, causing an earthquake that releases a river of lava
jesus christ i forgot about this episode
 

Sorcerer

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I think South Park's last season certainly had some lows, but it doesn't come close to this soulless carcass that goes by the name of Simpsons.

South Park has short seasons, and it can address current issues within a week. It must be a slog writing for the Simpsons by comparison.
 

Tansut

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I feel like "Missionary Impossible" is the best example of the Simpsons in the midway point of going from great to shit. I think it's a pretty funny episode, but if you compare it to classic Simpsons it pales in comparison.
 

vypek

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remember that episode where sideshow bob literally swaps face with his cellmate

Yeah...that was really awful.

I'm starting to really love the series much more again since I started using Simpsons World. The site seems like it favors the older episodes to me. lol. Only once or twice has it given me something that was closer to modern Simpsons and I skip those.

I feel like "Missionary Impossible" is the best example of the Simpsons in the midway point of going from great to shit. I think it's a pretty funny episode, but if you compare it to classic Simpsons it pales in comparison.

This feels accurate to me. I don't hate the episode but there are so many more that are greater than it. And I liked a callback to licking toads in one of the modern era episodes.
 
So can anybody recommend some genuinely good episodes from, say, season 11 to present? I'm not expecting classic-Simpsons levels of funny, but something worth watching...
 
I can't remember when I said 'fuck this show'


Was it the fake skinner and real skinner episode?

The Behind the Laughter parody?

The Homer becomes a artist episode?

Or the frank grimes one, I'm leaning towards one of the 3 before this.
what, this episode is brilliant

"Le grille? What the hell is that?"

"Everything's coming up Milhouse!"
 

vypek

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So can anybody recommend some genuinely good episodes from, say, season 11 to present? I'm not expecting classic-Simpsons levels of funny, but something worth watching...

You need UberTag. A member here who sifts through the modern season and finds the gems
 

Jackpot

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remember that episode where sideshow bob literally swaps face with his cellmate

Wasn't someone just recommending the latest Halloween episode as one to watch? The episode where Sideshow Bob rips out Bart's intestines and plays with the entrails. You know the shippers had a field day with that one.
 

AdanVC

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Yeah I simply cannot stand the current Simpsons. First 10 seasons or so were absolutely amazing in the way stories were developed. Always beginning with a topic that quickly develops into the plot that will carry through the whole episode. Plus mixed with tons of jokes that are memorable up to this day. Nowadays they are still using the same story formula but mixed with tons of no sense gags and terrible jokes that you can't help but feel all cringey.

Also, does anobody else dislikes the current look of the characters? Due to the modern animations, the characters lost all of their charm. I don't know but they just don't look funny anymore.
 

jstripes

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Also, does anobody else dislikes the current look of the characters? Due to the modern animations, the characters lost all of their charm. I don't know but they just don't look funny anymore.

That change is visible right in the opening.

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PSqueak

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Also, does anobody else dislikes the current look of the characters? Due to the modern animations, the characters lost all of their charm. I don't know but they just don't look funny anymore.

We used to have a thread that went for dozens of pages about just this.
 

UberTag

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interesting. i'll definitely keep this in mind once i finish season 8, thanks for the detailed post. any other standout episodes from the more recent seasons i should give a watch?
There are solid episodes to seek out from every season. But also lots more to outright avoid unless you want your interest in the show to wane.

Format-bending episodes like Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind, Trilogy of Error, The Seemingly Never-Ending Story, Behind the Laughter, 24 Minutes and Brick Like Me are the one realm that post-Classic era Simpsons really excels at... whereas you really only have 22 Short Films About Springfield and The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase prior to Season 9.

Feel free to pick my brain if you're looking for recommendations for a specific season.

Always surprised how long some kept watching the show.
I stopped after season 11.

10 wasn't as good, but I kinda liked it, but 11?
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I still consider Season 11 to be the worst season in the show's history... and I've watched every episode. It has so much garbage.

Wasn't someone just recommending the latest Halloween episode as one to watch? The episode where Sideshow Bob rips out Bart's intestines and plays with the entrails. You know the shippers had a field day with that one.
Nobody with any sense is recommending that Treehouse of Horror episode to anyone. The "latest Halloween episode" recommendations are coming from Halloween of Horror (also from last season) which was canon and excellent.

There is a good THOH in the HD era. It's THOH XX. Boasts an amazing send-up of Hitchcock's Strangers on a Train in black and white and a pretty solid modern zombie parody. The Sweeney Todd nonsense at the end isn't all that great but those first two segments are excellent.

The other must-watch Halloween-centric Simpsons fare to watch from recent years is Guillermo del Toro's opening to THOH XXIV.

So can anybody recommend some genuinely good episodes from, say, season 11 to present? I'm not expecting classic-Simpsons levels of funny, but something worth watching...
Start with Trilogy of Error and I Am Furious (Yellow) and come back for more suggestions after those two. That second episode is worth it just for all of the Stan Lee scenes. One of the few times someone has been on the show to guest as themselves and it wind up completely hilarious.
 

Creamium

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Yeah I Am Furious Yellow is one of the better post classic episodes. My favorite Jean era eps:

- Little Girl in the Big Ten
- I Am Furious Yellow
- Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge
- Weekend at Burnsies
- Scuse Me While I Miss the Sky
- Moe Baby Blues
- The President Wore Pearls (very close to classic era in quality)
- 'Tis the Fifteenth Season
- Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore
- Simple Simpson
- 24 minutes

I've only watched Eternal Moonshine from s19 and nothing beyond that.
 

cacildo

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I always mention how funny it is that simpsons toys sold today only make reference to the classic years

But i was looking for "worst modern simpsons moments" on google and... it seems people also only make lists about bad moments in the classic years - or very close to the classic years

Its like... modern simpsons dosent even exist
 

UberTag

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I've only watched Eternal Moonshine from s19 and nothing beyond that.
You should watch some of the quality episodes from later seasons you've missed out as you've clearly got impeccable taste in what's good from your early Jean era list. (I'll second your enthusiasm for The President Wore Pearls - easily the best musical episode from any era of The Simpsons.)

I'll use Eternal Moonshine as the dividing line and throw out a handful of other Jean (and Selman) era recommendations that aired afterwards...

- Gone Maggie Gone
- Treehouse of Horror XX
- The Book Job
- Holidays of Future Passed
- A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again
- Steal This Episode
- Brick Like Me
- Halloween of Horror
- Barthood

Those 9 were easy to call out. From the rest (and I would recommend episodes not mentioned here), I'll give the nod to three solid episodes about supporting characters finding love that did not revolve around Nedna.

- Eeny Teeny Maya Moe
- Once Upon a Time in Springfield
- Married to the Blob

And, because you didn't mention them, I'll give shout outs to both The Seemingly Never-Ending Story and The Haw-Hawed Couple which aired prior to Eternal Moonshine.
 

Teknoman

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Eh, whenever I catch an episode from the past few years, I'm at least mildly entertained. They're not great but they're better than the early solo Jean years (seasons 13-17) at least. The voice acting has definitely taken a nosedive though. Some of the actors sound old and tired.

Maybe its the sound mix too? The sound just... "sounds off" for a lack of a better term.
 
What's frustrating about The Simpsons as of the last fifteen seasons or so is the potential that's there. I know that after literally hundreds of episodes it can be difficult to think of new and clever plotlines... but you'd think it wouldn't be this bad. The Simpsons has one of the largest and most unique casts out there.

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Any one of these characters could have a full episode about them. Instead, we get boring and cliche celebrity guest appearances every week. I feel like we could put five random NeoGAF members in a room and have them write a better script than anything after season 9.
 

jonno394

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I feel like we could put five random NeoGAF members in a room and have them write a better script than anything after season 9.

I'll start:

Let's have an episode where Bart finds out Lee Carvallos Putting Challenge is being remastered and he joins gaf to complain about how it shouldnt and how Bonestorm is the better game, but then gets banned by bish and ends up having to track down evilore, with plenty of shenanigans inbetween.

Fits the awful pop culturey tone of modern simpsons well (I think) and cliffy b can guest star.
 

UberTag

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I'll start:

Let's have an episode where Bart finds out Lee Carvallos Putting Challenge is being remastered and he joins gaf to complain about how it shouldnt and how Bonestorm is the better game, but then gets banned by bish and ends up having to track down evilore, with plenty of shenanigans inbetween.

Fits the awful pop culturey tone of modern simpsons well (I think) and cliffy b can guest star.
With dry, cool wit like that you could be an action hero a Simpsons writer!
 

Pendas

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I binge-watched The Simpsuns abridged series a month back and I was pretty mortified to learn there's an episode where Millhouse is revealed to be inbred, have a lizard-tongue and lieks to engage in incestual activties with his cousins

This is the problem with modern Simpsons. They shove in random jokes that have no continuity or consequence with the rest of the series. It's like a Family Guy cutaway that doesn't cut away.
 

Creamium

shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
You should watch some of the quality episodes from later seasons you've missed out as you've clearly got impeccable taste in what's good from your early Jean era list. (I'll second your enthusiasm for The President Wore Pearls - easily the best musical episode from any era of The Simpsons.)

I'll use Eternal Moonshine as the dividing line and throw out a handful of other Jean (and Selman) era recommendations that aired afterwards...

- Gone Maggie Gone
- Treehouse of Horror XX
- The Book Job
- Holidays of Future Passed
- A Totally Fun Thing That Bart Will Never Do Again
- Steal This Episode
- Brick Like Me
- Halloween of Horror
- Barthood

Those 9 were easy to call out. From the rest (and I would recommend episodes not mentioned here), I'll give the nod to three solid episodes about supporting characters finding love that did not revolve around Nedna.

- Eeny Teeny Maya Moe
- Once Upon a Time in Springfield
- Married to the Blob

And, because you didn't mention them, I'll give shout outs to both The Seemingly Never-Ending Story and The Haw-Hawed Couple which aired prior to Eternal Moonshine.

Gone Maggie Gone was a pretty decent episode. Will watch more! Looking at an ep list, s15 was pretty much the best post Scully season. Lots of good episodes there.
 

120v

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i defended the post-season 8 stuff for years but i think it was around season 20 or so i just couldn't take it anymore. wasn't even the plots that made me bail but the "comedy"... like, how the writers think some of these gags are even remotely funny is beyond me
 
I grew up watching the show starting at season 1. Watched every episode every week until some of the episodes of season seven didn't seem right to me. Then there were some bad episodes in season eight. By season nine, it seemed like there were more bad episodes than good ones. By ten on, it wasn't even recognizable anymore.

Every now and then I see a random post-season nine episode and it's hard to keep watching for more than two or three minutes. I'm sure there are some decent episodes here and there but no way am I digging through the trash to find the rare decent episodes.

Fortunately I have seasons 1-8 on DVD. As far as I'm concerned, the show doesn't exist past that point.
 

UberTag

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Gone Maggie Gone was a pretty decent episode. Will watch more! Looking at an ep list, s15 was pretty much the best post Scully season. Lots of good episodes there.
Yeah, Season 15 really can't be topped in that respect. It's also easily better than 11 or 12 and, if you twisted my arm, I could probably make an argument that it's even better than Season 10. I regret not watching most of that season live but it made for a pleasant surprise when catching up on the show as a lapsed fan a few years later.

It's just unfortunate that it does still boast some duds. Namely Smart & Smarter, Co-Dependents' Day and Bart-Mangled Banner. Today I Am a Clown is pretty bad too. So I wouldn't recommend it be watched outright. Cherry picking the good episodes is still the way to go.

I grew up watching the show starting at season 1. Watched every episode every week until some of the episodes of season seven didn't seem right to me. Then there were some bad episodes in season eight. By season nine, it seemed like there were more bad episodes than good ones. By ten on, it wasn't even recognizable anymore.
Just as I'll always argue that there are pockets of gold to mine from modern Simpsons (often few and far between, sadly), I'll also agree that there are pockets of dirt and unpleasantness to be found in some of the heralded Classic era seasons.

Season 7 starts off amazingly strong but there are a lot of subpar episodes towards its back-half right around the time Disco Stu first shows up in Two Bad Neighbors. Homerpalooza falls apart after its initial commentary on coolness and Homer starts hanging out with celebrities and getting shot at with a cannon. The Day the Violence Died is clever... but not especially funny. Ditto for Lisa the Iconoclast. Bart the Fink is just plain bad. Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming has a ton of padding.

Season 8 boasts one of the worst episodes in the entire Classic era in The Canine Mutiny (they write the rest of the Simpsons family as so dumb and gullible just taking everything Bart says at face value which Marge sometimes does but Homer and Lisa most definitely do not). The Spin-Off Showcase is a nice one-and-done idea but I don't especially enjoy rewatching it as it has very little appeal outside of satire. I have a hard time with Burns, Baby Burns because I find Dangerfield's humor so one-note (all of the non-Larry scenes in this ep are still gold). Speaking of musical episodes not as good as The President Wore Pearls, we have the Shary Bobbins ep (I love the ending and the Barney song... and not much else).

And, of course, there's the ever-controversial Homer's Enemy. I don't mind it that much as its own entity but I can understand people citing it as when Homer started going downhill - if only because they took elements of his characterization from that episode (which were exaggerated intentionally) and started infusing them into other episodes.

Every now and then I see a random post-season nine episode and it's hard to keep watching for more than two or three minutes. I'm sure there are some decent episodes here and there but no way am I digging through the trash to find the rare decent episodes.
That's, of course, unnecessary because I've already dug through the trash for you. It would make me quite happy if nobody had to suffer through watching Moe Goes from Rags to Riches or Days of Future Future ever again. And you can now enjoy the decent episodes from those seasons because I've made that sacrifice.
 
Does this board find season 10 to be classic Simpsons, modern Simpsons, or transitional Simpsons? I find that it blurs the line between classic and modern.

Some episodes still have the "classic sheen" to them in my eyes, like 'The Wizard of evergreen terrace', 'Lisa Gets an A', Mark Hamill's excellent voice appearance in 'Mayored to the Mob', 'Viva Ned Flanders', 'Bart The Mother' (with the final Phil Hartman appearance), and the wonder of Max Powers and Chesty LeRoux in 'Homer To The Max'.

But others, such as the Super Bowl episode, the one with Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger (I know lots of people like this one, but it started a lot of stupid trends that the later episodes would often fall into), Homer abandoning his father to die, and the Jack Lalanne one with the springs and the boat, I associate more with the "newer era" and a sad omen of what was to come.
 
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