Meccanical
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Like I said, the visual style they created for the game is stunning, the use of lighting is spectacular.
It's just the game itself I'm not to hot about, pretty doesn't carry a game for me.
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New Hitman: Absolution trailer [By Visual Works (Final Fantasy CG), out now]
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Like I said, the visual style they created for the game is stunning, the use of lighting is spectacular.
It's just the game itself I'm not to hot about, pretty doesn't carry a game for me.
It's totally possible the game will suck, but I see a lot of people on GAF already assuming it sucks, which is clearly jumping the gun and why it's fun to see those people fall flat on their face when proven wrong. All the haters just make these threads tiresome to read.
IMO you can't really go off the marketng campaign for a Hitman game. Hell, marketing it like an action game is probably the safest bet sales-wise.
Just wait for a playable demo or actual reviews of the game by people you trust. There's plenty of time to shit on the game if it actually turns out bad.
Before I say this, I'm someone who's all for the game and always tries to keep a positive mind before playing a game.
But, after watching this, the concern I'm left with is the following:
"Why would you release a CG trailer with no gameplay, IO?" Why make a trailer that is entirely CG and showing something that you will (most likely) never do in the game? Will you be facing off against The Saints (more of them?) in the actual game or are they completely extinguished in this trailer? Will there be any gameplay trailers at E3?
I'm not pissed that sexy battle nuns are in this game. The ICA sending people after 47 is a neat story hook. But I'm just hoping you actually get to square up against them in the game instead of just watching everything unfurl in a cinematic. I know facing off against anyone in latex and in a completely non-stealthy fashion will piss off some of the "LOL CONVICTION" folks in here, but let's face it, you've already lost "legitimacy" with them. (Even though it was pointed out before that, in series history, there has been lots of strange, kinky shit featured in the Hitman games.)
Aside from all that, the trailer was enjoyable to watch. Great looking CG work.
But, after watching this, the concern I'm left with is the following:
"Why would you release a CG trailer with no gameplay, IO?" Why make a trailer that is entirely CG and showing something that you will (most likely) never do in the game? Will you be facing off against The Saints (more of them?) in the actual game or are they completely extinguished in this trailer? Will there be any gameplay trailers at E3?
I'm not pissed that sexy battle nuns are in this game. The ICA sending people after 47 is a neat story hook. But I'm just hoping you actually get to square up against them in the game instead of just watching everything unfurl in a cinematic. I know facing off against anyone in latex and in a completely non-stealthy fashion will piss off some of the "LOL CONVICTION" folks in here, but let's face it, you've already lost "legitimacy" with them. (Even though it was pointed out before that, in series history, there has been lots of strange, kinky shit featured in the Hitman games.)
Aside from all that, the trailer was enjoyable to watch. Great looking CG work.
Revolutionary
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Again, I realize I was being a bit dismissive with the Conviction thing, but again, it's mostly because I don't think that studio's (I googled it: Ubisoft Montreal) actions means IO will follow and make the same missteps.
Yes, it is a bit worrying that IO is going this route with the previews and showing all this "dudebro" shit first (if you look up my original posts on Absolution, I'm sure you'll find at least one "wtf" or something), but it's not exactly unlike them. I remember Blood Money's previews being somewhat similar to this approach, and look how the game turned out.
I think the main problem with Absolution's previews is that they're focusing on what has changed, and as we all know, most people don't like change. It scares them... but I have faith in IO. So far, they've only let me down once (Kane & Lynch 2 ughhhh what a piece of shit), so they've still got a bunch of goodwill left over in me. lol
Let's just smoke a peace pipe and wait for the game to come out, ok? lol
Edit: To below, I think I've addressed most of your points already. As I said in this post, this isn't exactly out of the ordinary for IO. Blood Money had some weird previews focusing on people playing the "wrong" way, but I don't believe anyone really got up in arms about that. They're fixing the gunplay for those who want to play it that way and that's what they're showing. I'm confident that IO will not fuck this up and alienate the fanbase that made them what they are today.. and if they do, there will be hell to pay.
Ventilaator
Banned
I saw no reason to, because what they show of the game so far is clearly in-your-face about NOT being what fans would want out of a Hitman game. You don't have to look for it and you don't have to be already negative-minded about the game. You just have to have played previous games and have eyes.
People obviously bitch about that, and you going "You just hate change" means that YOU are blind and stuck in your own reality, refusing to accept what's actually going on here, not the other way around.
So that post...
They have yet to show anything that proves that this is an actual Hitman game. I don't WANT to believe that they ruined it, that's just what they're showing me.
Change is okay. You look at something and figure out ways to improve the formula. That's okay and healthy. Looking at your toaster, making a few toasts with it and then deciding that it's an excellent device to brush your teeth with isn't that type of a change. People who are just looking for a toothbrush might go "YEAH AWESOME" at that, but meanwhile there are other people who are hungry.
If they have yet to show anything that even somewhat resembles gameplay from a Hitman game, and it still has some people going "Yeah, haters gonna hate, this is excellent!!", I think it's pretty important to make the "actual fan" distinction. Sure this game looks good to you if you are coming in blind. People with the context have yet to see anything at all that makes this look any way comparable to the four games that came before. Once that info comes, the fans will be onboard and this shit will die down. Fans aren't doubting the quality of this as a game, they are doubting the quality of this as a Hitman game.
And seriously, all it would take is a 5 minute video of actual Hitman gameplay, assuming there is any. That's all it would take to end this entire discussion.
I don't think people are directly upset with the trailer itself. But what did it have to do with the game? You'll literally be doing none of what was shown in that trailer while playing.
Also, nonsensical shit like sexy nuns with guns in the rain, just gives people more of a reason to turn their noes up at games and laugh. It's that ridiculous.
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Steverulez
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Its probably the precursor to showing off a level at E3 in which you have to kill the nuns or one of the nuns.
For what its worth it was a decent trailer hopefully the game is shown off a lot at E3.
Meh, who cares what those people think though. Guilty pleasure is fun.
Glass Rebel
Member
Well, that was quite the trailer. Not really what I expected from a Hitman game tbh.
Oh well, bring Hit Bill Vol. 1 on.
Oh well, bring Hit Bill Vol. 1 on.
marathonfool
Member
The trailer is horrible and meant to be digested by teenage boys. At the same time, I haven't seen enough gameplay footage to judge how "botched" this sequel will be yelled by the vocal minority. It is a bit insufferable to hear the same people saying how horrible this game will be and betrays all things Hitman when not enough gameplay has been shown.
I don't think the comparison to the Splinter Cell series is relevant at all. The stealth is handled much differently between the series and Hitman has always had more flexibility in terms of action and stealth options. Different publishers, developers, and games. The trailers shown for Hitman Absolution are similar CG styles of previous games.
I don't think the comparison to the Splinter Cell series is relevant at all. The stealth is handled much differently between the series and Hitman has always had more flexibility in terms of action and stealth options. Different publishers, developers, and games. The trailers shown for Hitman Absolution are similar CG styles of previous games.
Meccanical
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZC_86UhxPE&feature=related
If what we see here is any indication it's pretty much exactly like Splinter Cell Conviction.
If we're already succumbing to hope, couldn't we at least hope that the game is actually good instead of merely tolerable?
Hitman: Absolution, from what we've seen, plays nothing like Splinter Cell Conviction. It's a shitweak comparison. You can get disguises in Conviction? You can climb pipes in Absolution? I can go on. The only point you're trying to make is that, like what you think of Conviction, you think this game is betraying its heritage. Why not just leave Conviction out of it?
Furthermore -- and this is discounting that off-screen shaky cam video where the demonstrator takes you through the orphanage in 3 different ways -- you've not seen the entire game to draw a solid conclusion whether or not this is a true Hitman game. Yeah, it's different. But just because we've not seen sandboxy levels with contracts and get-in-kill-get-out gameplay doesn't mean it won't be in there. None of us know yet. And, yeah, I get the fact that most of what we've been shown so far is linear stuff. That makes for great press/general public demos, so keep that in mind.
SuperSonic1305
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I saw this trailer on egotastic. That's all that needs to be said about why they made this.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
In the previous games, they were seemingly just middlemen who handed out contracts to assassins, and helped with things like logistics. Now they've got a team of latex fetish gear-wearing assassins with tattoos of the secret group they work for, and judging from the other trailers, the ICA also seems to be some quasi-CIA type group with their own motives other than money.
The plot also doesn't make any sense so far, and IO seems to be emphasising the importance of it as well. Blood Money did the smart thing by putting the game's plot in the background for the entire game, instead focusing on making great standalone levels regardless of how they tied into overall story.
That tells us more about you, I would say.
The last trailer looked like Hitman to me. Perhaps I'm blind.
Actually with the amount of stuff that people are bitching about that have been in previous games ("he would never stab someone with a knife like that!"), I think the other side might be blind.
Also a difference between this and the last Splinter Cell is that Eidos has had a track record of doing good by their franchises, while Ubi Soft has been trying to dumb down their IP for eight years now.
Also a difference between this and the last Splinter Cell is that Eidos has had a track record of doing good by their franchises, while Ubi Soft has been trying to dumb down their IP for eight years now.
The Janitor
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I'm surprised this trailer didn't have dubstep
"...or do you want to kill everyone in your way"
like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRC5ab5tLUY
the trailer screams mass murder instead of hitman.
Part of the brilliance of hitman is murdering everyone being completely viable. I've silent assassin'd every level of BM, and I've also killed every last person in all of them during separate playthroughs.
Seriously, that trailer is Hitman to a tee.
bigboss370
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Meccanical
Member
That's not the problem here, I had my fair share of psychopath runs.
The problem is you won't be a Hitman in a Hitman game, you seem to be going from point A to B in a linear sequence of set pieces and I'm tired of that stuff.
Extremely positive, ending and mandatory boss fights aside.
whoa i've never seen this trailer. and you're right, it does look like Hitman.
Yeah, neither had I until just now. Holy shit. Hype++.
i meant the reveal and the trailers not the actual game.
People were pretty ok with the game except for the item glow, which would have been game destroying if they didn't put a toggle switch in.
I have a feeling IO are showing an open style hitman level at E3. They have claimed all along that they are in there. Its their last big oppertunity to show one before release. Show the press the old style level, show the public in video form. Let them play it at pax? id rather it be playable at E3 but I assume it will be like this.
autobzooty
Member
finally, a game that combines sex and violence against women.
i don't think i like video games anymore.
bigboss370
Member
MGS4 bosses will hump you until you die after you abuse them enough to shed their armor suits >_>
Meccanical
Member
And then you get to here about their TRAGIC PAST
OMG SO SAD
The only thing I liked in MGS4 was the final boss fight, but I digress.
It's really a matter of taste. I'm sure some people turned it on. Regardless, allowing a toggle switch made everyone happy.
bigboss370
Member
well that cam outta nowhere, lol.
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anyways, i'm excited to see Absolution at E3, so glad its coming out this year instead of being delayed like some of the other games i was looking forward to.
sure it did. it showed who the main character was (for people unfamiliar with the franchise), it showed how beat up he will/may get as the story progresses, it showed potential enemies and setting, it showed how the character can use stealth as well as action, and there's a story behind the bleeding and bandaged barcode. plus the CG looks really nice too.
autobzooty
Member
you know what other game was terrible in this regard? every other video game ever.
Every video game has women that hump you until you die?
Meccanical
Member
I wish.
autobzooty
Member
was speaking more broadly in terms of sexism that comes from caveman developers. kojima just happens to be more creative in how he degrades women.
bigboss370
Member
hey now Raiden was degraded too (in MGS2). and all that crotch grabbing action in MGS4, thats equal treatment man
(not to mention Mei Ling and Meryl leading their own units and kicking ass)
and if you wanna speak broadly of sexism, its in every entertainment medium. even female artists have sexism lol.
Broder Salsa
Banned
What in the fuck did I just watch? No thanks, IO.
Just saw the trailer. Thought it was well done. But seems there are more dislikes than likes for it on Youtube.
What does gaf think?
I've only played one Hitman game at a friend's house and we were playing it wrong (cheat codes, running through with invincibility.. we were young)
What does gaf think?
I've only played one Hitman game at a friend's house and we were playing it wrong (cheat codes, running through with invincibility.. we were young)
violence against women? should they just use guys for asssasins then?
i can't tell if you are joking.....being the internet has no tone.