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[gofreak]

I'm definitely not more qualified by any stretch of the imagination :lol but the short version is that vertex shaders are useful in creating deformation effects (cloth effects, certain animation effects, etc.) and "procedural geometry," and also are used in conjunction with pixel shaders to produce many advanced lighting effects, that is to say, they're super-important and not being able to do them sucks.

Vertex/geometry creation has only arrived latterly in the programmable pipeline. Or as part of geometry shaders....but traditionally you've not been able to create new vertices in vertex shaders. Procedural generation of geometry would happen on the CPU (or perhaps now also in geometry shaders).

A vertex shader is a program that simply takes an input vertex and maps it to its co-ordinate in 2D screenspace. Depending on what effects you might want to apply, there's many different ways you may wish to do that transformation, hence the move from fixed function transforms to vertex shaders. I'm not sure if 3DS has a fixed function transformation pipeline or has programmable vertex shaders (?)

 

[antonz]

I would guess launch colors would match what they have on the 3DS site for viewing.

That Blue,red and black

 

[Pimpbaa]

*reads through thread*

Wait there are people who actually liked the Gamecube?

That was like by far Nintendo's worst console...ever. Even when you compare all of their previous consoles to "today's standards".

N64 was way fucking worse.

 

[Lonely1]

Sunshine was far more fun than Mario 64 ever was.

Yeah, I went there.

Sunshine is the only Mario game i never finished. Yes, I went there. Anyway, ReMake justified the GC for me.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

some new shit:

interview with Eternal Eden creator, Elder Prince. still in the planning phase. prolly will have to shop around for a publisher to get a dev kit and get this game out

I wonder if he has a dev kit yet.

 

[Krauser Kat]

i played my gc wayy more than ps2. REmake was glorious along with double dash and melee.

 

[KAL2006]

Hmm, 3DS portable of the Forever indeed.

Speaking of forever...

TIME IS SLOWING DOWN

Damn according to this countdown, the event will kick off at 5AM (UK time). This is a shame as I will be a sleep at that time.

 

[WillyFive]

N64 was way fucking worse.

Take that back.

 

[wrowa]

Damn according to this countdown, the event will kick off at 5AM (UK time). This is a shame as I will be a sleep at that time.

We don't know the exact time the event will take place yet afaik.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Damn according to this countdown, the event will kick off at 5AM (UK time). This is a shame as I will be a sleep at that time.

Then when you wake up, INFORMATION ORGASM. That's what I'm doing first thing I get up. Talk about morning glory.

edit: ah we don't know time? fair enough.

 

[Boney]

The 3DS will be awesome.
There, that's new info.

That's hardly new info.

 

[XPE]

Damn according to this countdown, the event will kick off at 5AM (UK time). This is a shame as I will be a sleep at that time.

All the news will be posted just in time for you getting up

 

[antonz]

Then when you wake up, INFORMATION ORGASM. That's what I'm doing first thing I get up. Talk about morning glory.

Whole new meaning to morning wood

 

[plagiarize]

Then when you wake up, INFORMATION ORGASM. That's what I'm doing first thing I get up. Talk about morning glory.

edit: ah we don't know time? fair enough.

i have that day off just incase gamestop start taking pre-orders.

i will also have dead rising 2 to play, so you know, won't be a total bust.

 

[blu]

Vertex/geometry creation has only arrived latterly in the programmable pipeline. Or as part of geometry shaders....but traditionally you've not been able to create new vertices in vertex shaders. Procedural generation of geometry would happen on the CPU (or perhaps now also in geometry shaders).

While you're generally correct, 'procedurally-created effects' are not necesserily bound to the creation of vertices. What I'm trying to say is that you can have procedural geometry effects with little-to-zero CPU interaction and without geometry shaders. Of course the latter opens much more possibilities and is easier to use.

A vertex shader is a program that simply takes an input vertex and maps it to its co-ordinate in 2D screenspace. Depending on what effects you might want to apply, there's many different ways you may wish to do that transformation, hence the move from fixed function transforms to vertex shaders. I'm not sure if 3DS has a fixed function transformation pipeline or has programmable vertex shaders (?)

It has ARB_vertex_program (by OGL terms, otherwise dx9-class for the dx crowd) vertex shaders. That much is known from the PICA200 brochure.

 

[abstract alien]

Shit, I need an android widget of the countdown

 

[brain_stew]

I'm not sure if 3DS has a fixed function transformation pipeline or has programmable vertex shaders (?)

The latter.

 

[Instro]

some new shit:

interview with Eternal Eden creator, Elder Prince. still in the planning phase. prolly will have to shop around for a publisher to get a dev kit and get this game out

Now that would be cool, I actually really enjoyed Eternal Eden so I would be down for a 3DS remake.

Whats going on with the sequel anyway?

 

[Medalion]

I haven't been paying attention to this thread, what is coming on Sept 29th regarding the 3DS?

 

[AceBandage]

I haven't been paying attention to this thread, what is coming on Sept 29th regarding the 3DS?

Price, release date, games, ect.

 

[antonz]

I haven't been paying attention to this thread, what is coming on Sept 29th regarding the 3DS?

Nintendo is holding a Conference in the same building as TGS where it will be a blowout on 3DS info.

 

[Boney]

Price, release date, games, ect.

Fucking trailers, that's all I need.

 

[ShinNL]

It's going to be a meltdown of epic proportions.

 

[AceBandage]

It's going to be a meltdown of epic proportions.

So, the same as the original announcement and E3.

 

[Graphics Horse]

The latter.

Indeed it supports ARB Vertex Program according to the GPU specs, doesn't guarantee it'll be fully open to 3DS developers, but we'll see!

 

[Boney]

So, the same as the original announcement and E3.

Huh? People actually had meltdowns? I thought everybody were excited. How can you not be with a new Paper Mario?

 

[ILikeFeet]

I wonder if he has a dev kit yet.

it seems developers can request one from Wario World. but he would still need a publisher to obtain funding.

 

[brain_stew]

It has ARB_vertex_program (by OGL terms, otherwise dx9-class for the dx crowd) vertex shaders. That much is known from the PICA200 brochure.

So the vertex shader hardware is more flexible than the vertex shaders in the Xbox? That's always the impression I got but its nice to see it confirmed.

I know you were always of the opinion that TEV would actually rate above the pixel shaders in NV2A in terms of its capabilities (and that it was developer unfamiliarity and the lack of vertex shader hardware that meant dot3 bump mapping and the like weren't used much on the GCN/Wii) so where would the fragment shaders/colour combiners/pixel shaders in PICA200 fair in comparison? ~PS1.3 the right sort of ballpark?

The more I learn about PICA200 the less of an issue the lack of full ES 2.0 compliance seems to be. Its already "most of the way" there and if the fixed function shader hardware can deliver most of those ES 2.0 effects with greater performance then a generic unified shader could then why exactly is their absence such a big deal, anyway? I just can't reconcile the absolute insistance that increasingly general purpose hardware is the only viable way to solve this problem when you've got to work within such strict power constraints.

I understand why this approach isn't suitable for platforms like iOS and Android because you can't allow developers to use proprietary extensions as games need to work on a variety of different GPUs and devices but for a closed hardware design like the 3DS then why the hell not? Whatever allows developers to create the best looking games with the least amount of effort at a given power budget is surely the best solution?

Currently Epic Citadel is the most technologically impressive demo of what mobile ES 2.0 hardware can deliver and yet we have the "ES 1.1" 3DS demonstrating an awful lot more technology despite the fact that developers have had much less time to work with it. That's a pretty convincing argument that the lack of ES 2.0 compliance in the 3DS hardware is a none issue to me.

 

[atbigelow]

I really wonder how on earth anything the Eternal Eden guy says is news worthy. Apparently when you slap together generic, default graphics with some DRM, you become a frontrunner in 3DS news. Almost as sad as Nibris.

 

[Portugeezer]

Price, release date, games, ect.

And with that, will we get screenshots/trailers of games, even from 3rd parties? Or it it just info and Nintendo only?

I need my 3DS fix already. Capcom's engine isn't enough!!!!!

.

 

[Medalion]

Figured it would be as much, I was like...way too soon if the 3DS was launching on that date :lol

 

[antonz]

And with that, will we get screenshots/trailers of games, even from 3rd parties? Or it it just info and Nintendo only?

I need my 3DS fix already. Capcom's engine isn't enough!!!!!

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3rd party announcements will be made for significant titles I am sure. run of the mill 3rd party titles not likely

 

[AceBandage]

And with that, will we get screenshots/trailers of games, even from 3rd parties? Or it it just info and Nintendo only?

I need my 3DS fix already. Capcom's engine isn't enough!!!!!

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From third parties as well.
We know of a new trailer for DoA and some stuff about SSF4.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

And with that, will we get screenshots/trailers of games, even from 3rd parties? Or it it just info and Nintendo only?
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23445227&postcount=303
Ono says we will be given information on SSFIV3D, at the very least.

 

[wrowa]

3rd party announcements will be made for significant titles I am sure. run of the mill 3rd party titles not likely

Depends. In case they should want to focus the attention on the launch line-up the games could be quite shitty.

Doing that wouldn't be a good idea if they want to hype us, though

 

[Boney]

Third parties will be able to launch trailers online if they aren't included in the conference, I'm sure.

 

[ILikeFeet]

I can't wait to see the trailer for DoA

 

[mclem]

N64 or Virtual Boy. There's no question about this.

Pokémon Mini?

 

[Portugeezer]

From third parties as well.
We know of a new trailer for DoA and some stuff about SSF4.

Oh yes, I will need a lot of popcorn.

*starts making giant bowl of popcorn*

 

[antonz]

SSF4 will without a doubt have a big info blowout. Was aready mentioned Nintendo would be making big announcements regarding multiplayer etc that Capcom was not allowed to discuss

 

[ILikeFeet]

Oh yes, I will need a lot of popcorn.

*starts making giant bowl of popcorn*

that popcorn will go stale before the conference

 

[thefro]

My impression is that this just isn't just going to be a 3DS conference.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is flying back to Japan next week (per his twitter) so I'm expecting a blowout on The Last Story, and maybe some Zelda news as well as a Wii game announcement or two.

 

[Boney]

My impression is that this just isn't just going to be a 3DS conference.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is flying back to Japan next week (per his twitter) so I'm expecting a blowout on The Last Story, and maybe some Zelda news as well as a Wii game announcement or two.

Last Story is still set for this year right? So wierd.

 

[ILikeFeet]

My impression is that this just isn't just going to be a 3DS conference.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is flying back to Japan next week (per his twitter) so I'm expecting a blowout on The Last Story, and maybe some Zelda news as well as a Wii game announcement or two.

they never said it was 3DS only. but it's advertised as the headliner

 

[Chet Rippo]

that popcorn will go stale before the conference

Stale popcorn ain't that bad. It's only 5 days away anyways, so it should still be safe to eat. :lol

 

[Lonely1]

Last Story for 3DS announcement!?.

 

[apana]

My impression is that this just isn't just going to be a 3DS conference.

Hironobu Sakaguchi is flying back to Japan next week (per his twitter) so I'm expecting a blowout on The Last Story, and maybe some Zelda news as well as a Wii game announcement or two.

Some Last Story and Skyward Sword news would be great. Last Story looks good, but I wish the game looked exactly like the artwork. I hope they have improved the look since the game since the last trailer.

 

[Portugeezer]

Last Story is still set for this year right? So wierd.

So, how about that NA/EU release date?

 

[Bizzyb]

*reads through thread*

Wait there are people who actually liked the Gamecube?

That was like by far Nintendo's worst console...ever. Even when you compare all of their previous consoles to "today's standards".

Sure it wasn't their best console but it was still a good console. I could make a list but what good would that do? Al that needs to be said is that it DID have somevery good 3rd party support from Japan. Also, It had TWO Zeldas, TWO Starfoxes, TWO Metroids AND The Best F-zero game to date. Not bad if I do say so Myself

ON TOPIC: Hey guys, what's the chances will will see Miis and a Virtual Console of sorts on the 3DS?? I'm talking the ability to transfer purchased Wii VC games AND the addition of GBA games?? I mean, it's obvious the firmware is going to be update-able, right? and emulation for the N64, SNES, GBA, NES, etc should be a piece of cake, right?

Could you imagine? 3DSware, VC, DS AND 3DS games?? This thing would be a gamers paradise.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Sure it wasn't their best console but it was still a good console. I could make a list but what good would that do? Al that needs to be said is that it DID have somevery good 3rd party support from Japan. Also, It had TWO Zeldas, TWO Starfoxes, TWO Metroids AND The Best F-zero game to date. Not bad if I do say so Myself

F-Zero X is the best F-Zero game to date. Especially when coupled with the expansion pack (F-Zero Xpansion Kit). Besides, without it F-Zero GX would not exist since it is the exact same game with better graphics and stripped game mechanics.

Two Star Foxes? Don't even try that one.

I always sum up the GameCube, as the most disappointing Nintendo console. It was supposed to be the end all Nintendo console. Remember Spaceworld!!?? But Nintendo really made a lot of odd decisions both on internal and external matters that ruined the system's legacy. I still love my Blue Storm, Avalanche, Twilight Princess, and GX. But damn the system was supposed to be so much more.