Eteric Rice
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IzumiK said:
No, it's not a fact, that's an opinion. For many, RE4 was waaay more enjoyable on the Wii than the other systems.
Stop trying to pass your bullshit as fact, thanks.
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Next Fatal Frame for the Wii!!
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No, it's not a fact, that's an opinion. For many, RE4 was waaay more enjoyable on the Wii than the other systems.
Stop trying to pass your bullshit as fact, thanks.
Eteric Rice said:
are you agreeing with him that thinking wii controls are better is an opinion, like he said? Or are you disagreeing that it's a fact that survival horror games have always been about creating suspense, atmosphere and immersion through the use of intense visual and audio cues?
Eteric Rice
Member
Amir0x said:
I'm trying to say that they're both opinions. Some people prefer controls, some prefer visuals.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
It will be a nice port, like Rygar. I'm sure. 
BlackTyrano
Member
OmG Fatal Frame 4 will not have visuals? Confirmed.
Eteric Rice
Member
The Take Out Bandit said:It will be a nice port, like Rygar. I'm sure.
Lets hope not.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
It'll be the best dot Matrix game evar!BlackTyrano said:OmG Fatal Frame 4 will not have visuals? Confirmed.
Eteric Rice
Member
Amir0x said:
Welcome to this generation, where you have to choose.
I prefer the Wii-mote thus far (I've always hated dual-analog, though. It's the reason I never got into Halo), so I'm happy about this. If you're a graphics person, oh well, RE5 and such are still coming up.
IzumiK said:
So when he says something it's an opinion but when you say something it is fact. Thanks for clearing that up!
Also finishing off by putting words in the mouth of both the creator and the publisher of the game is a classy move.
Frankly, I think your whining is fucking insane, given that they've signed Grasshopper Manufacture, a studio that rises in profile seemingly by the day now, and one of the most able Wii developers around. It's certainly more preferable than the mess going on with the Silent Hill series, where no-name developers are being entrusted with next-gen development. Let's see how each respective game turns out a year from now.
AceBandage
Banned
Reading these replies, I thought I was back on GameFAQs for a second.
So much crying and bitching...
So much crying and bitching...
Eteric Rice said:
Oh, i'm sorry you have to choose, I don't have to though. There's already a system that offers rad control and good graphics.
Anyway i have no viewpoint on Fatal Frame coming to Wii; 360/PS3 have Alone in the Dark, Silent Hill, Resi 5. How could those gamers possibly complain?
Eteric Rice
Member
Amir0x said:
Yup, I like the PC too. :lol
Stormbringer
Member
That certainly seems like an intriguing combination...Somehow exciting too... Color me interested.
By the way, some of you people seriously need to shut the fuck up and get over it. Last I know, this kind of bitching about some console exclusivity is bannable here since a while now, so you're better off crying about that and spreading your desperate FUD somewhere else.
By the way, some of you people seriously need to shut the fuck up and get over it. Last I know, this kind of bitching about some console exclusivity is bannable here since a while now, so you're better off crying about that and spreading your desperate FUD somewhere else.
rikitikitik
Member
Amir0x said:
The PC?
Eteric Rice
Member
Grecco said:
It's the PC, man! You can even build it yourself!
Grecco said:
You answered your own question and then wanted to play some hypothetical game of pretend where it wasn't Xbox 360 - a system not only with one of the greatest controllers ever made, but with phenomenal power AND a fantastic calibre of game lineup - so I'm not sure how you expect me to respond except...
... :lol
Saitou said:
The NEW Alone in the Dark is extremely compelling. I was not interested at all until they revealed what they're doing with it.
Eteric Rice said:It's the PC, man! You can even build it yourself!
Sure but the whole pay 500 bucks for the bitchin graphics card every 3 to 4 years kinda sucks.
The fantastic game lineup is unquestionable. But thats irrelevant were talking about controls. And no person in their right mind would suggest the Xbox has great controls with the shittyest of shit digital pads in existance. So shitty that people have to amount to shaving off pieces of plastic just to be able to use it.
Oh and ill take Waggle for FPS any day of the week over the analog sticks. Hell I played Metroid Prime for a day and went back to the COD Beta and it felt sooo bad.
Eteric Rice
Member
Amir0x said:
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Boom, headshot!
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Competent controls and great graphics. (360)Amir0x said:
Great controls and competent graphics. (Wii)
I choose both.
Very simplified way of looking at it though... and I rant too much as it is.
GhettoGamer
Member
The 3rd party snowball is getting bigger for the wii.
Thunder Monkey said:Competent controls and great graphics. (360)
Great controls and competent graphics. (Wii)
I choose both.
Very simplified way of looking at it though... and I rant too much as it is.
But 360 doesn't have "competent" controls, it has "phenomenal" controls.
I hate to break it to some of you zombies, but traditional controllers didn't stop being fantastic once wiimote came out with its absurd gesturing. 360 controller is practically the ultimate refinement of traditional controls - a tried of true method of controlling that is enjoyable and comfortable and fucking fantastic - and therefore, by any logical definition it is one of the greatest controllers of all time.
You can blame it on being a "lapsed" gamer or always sucking at certain genre thanks to the boogie man of dual analog, but the truth is you just sucked and the controllers still ruled despite that.
PataHikari
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That's because they just want to whine.DreD said:
Amir0x said:
D-pad.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Amir0x said:
I knew you'd step into the opinion you were just chastising Eteric Rice for.
Amir0x said:
except for the d-pad, which wouldn't even be an issue only they have so many goddamn good XBLA games that basically require it (Hi Pac-Man C.E).
In any case can we give it a fucking break with an argument that was laid to rest a year ago? The news here is that the game is being made and the team that is making it, not the nature of one system that isn't getting it versus another.
evilromero
Member
I would agree with this in most cases but RE4 for Wii really illustrated how waggle can make for a thrilling experience. I suspect FF will have similar controls- pointing the flashlight in realtime. That kind of thing would be difficult to "feel" on traditional controllers.Amir0x said:
BlackTyrano
Member
Schuelma said:
Can't help it when most people in the thread haven't played the series they're whining about.
AceBandage
Banned
schuelma said:
PataHikari
Banned
What do you expect.schuelma said:
The Wii has no good games.
Therefore any game announced for the Wii is automatically a bad casual waggle-fest that'll suck.
Fact.
Science proves it.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
schuelma said:
Don't worry, a mod is doing it which makes it okay.
AceBandage
Banned
Hcoregamer00 said:
Those who have power abuse it.
Those who don't have power cry about those that do.
It's the circle of strife.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And I don't agree in the slightest.Amir0x said:
There is a huge gap between the use of a mouse and that of an analog stick. Developers have learned to work around them out of necessity, and yes they work pretty damn well. I won't ever take that away from any developers like Bungie that have excelled with that limitation.
But it's never been realistic to me. I'd never say I was the best Halo player out there. I was ok, not great. Average, I guess is the word I'm looking for. I've always excelled at PC style FPS, and the Pointer in the Wiimote is an extremely similar concept (both being relative pointing).
It could always be better, and the Wiimote is a step in a more mouselike direction. I have no real qualms with dual analog control. It could be better, and I stick by that.
Amir0x said:
I thought this was supposed to be an argument about the level of immersion the controller can provide, not which is the ultimate traditional controller.
In any case, the argument seems to be that if a game can benefit (even a little) from improved visuals, it should only be released for the most graphically powerful system. Ignoring the fact that this leads to every game being released for PC and zero releases for everything else, I still think the assumption that gamers will have every console ridiculous. Is the Wii not allowed to have exclusives? Wii owners want the games and companies want the money, how is that not to everyones' benefit?
SabinFigaro
Member
I'm really not going to reply to anyone in particular here, but I will throw in my 2 cents. I'm a big fan of survival horror games in the vein of Silent Hill and Fatal Frame, and I have played through both series with the exception of Fatal Frame 3. With that being said, audio/visuals do play a definite part in the heightening of tension, but why is it then that the original Silent Hill is still the most frightening, and not one of its sequels?
Both Resident Evil 5 and Silent Hill 5 are coming to the high definition consoles, and I have no doubt that they will embrace the available technology; however, the original Silent Hill and Fatal Frame, done on consoles that span two generations back, are still atmospheric enough to provide the goods. Given that the Wii is an upgrade (no matter how slight) of the previous generation, one should not assume that a scary game cannot be done with "inferior" hardware. If Grasshopper can at least provide the same sense of tension that the original provided, with fluid controls, and a slightly upgraded graphical look, then I have absolutely no reason to complain.
Edit: I see that the argument actually went into controls as opposed to graphical prowess, so my post is only slightly relevant then.
Both Resident Evil 5 and Silent Hill 5 are coming to the high definition consoles, and I have no doubt that they will embrace the available technology; however, the original Silent Hill and Fatal Frame, done on consoles that span two generations back, are still atmospheric enough to provide the goods. Given that the Wii is an upgrade (no matter how slight) of the previous generation, one should not assume that a scary game cannot be done with "inferior" hardware. If Grasshopper can at least provide the same sense of tension that the original provided, with fluid controls, and a slightly upgraded graphical look, then I have absolutely no reason to complain.
Edit: I see that the argument actually went into controls as opposed to graphical prowess, so my post is only slightly relevant then.
so basically, you guys think that the d-pad issue is enough to change 360 controller from one of the greatest controllers, to just a good controller?
man wiimote must really knock you guys out; lack of second analog stick to perform even the most baser of functions 3D games have had since the late PSX era, 1 and 2 buttons are in a poor uncomfortable position when holding wiimote as a remote, when held sideways the controller is barely ergonomic and due to the batteries feels disjointed due to the weight being more on one side.
and PS3 controller sucks because the original lacked rumble, had shitty tilt, still hasn't fixed those loosey goosey analogs, needs to switch d-pad position for analog. Etc etc etc
no controller out right now is PERFECT. 360 is just the best there currently is.
no no, it can have every exclusive ever for all it wants. I'm not complaining about Fatal Frame at all. I was merely taking issue with the idea that it's controls OR graphics, since there is a system that offers both and it's called 360.
man wiimote must really knock you guys out; lack of second analog stick to perform even the most baser of functions 3D games have had since the late PSX era, 1 and 2 buttons are in a poor uncomfortable position when holding wiimote as a remote, when held sideways the controller is barely ergonomic and due to the batteries feels disjointed due to the weight being more on one side.
and PS3 controller sucks because the original lacked rumble, had shitty tilt, still hasn't fixed those loosey goosey analogs, needs to switch d-pad position for analog. Etc etc etc
no controller out right now is PERFECT. 360 is just the best there currently is.
mepaco said:
no no, it can have every exclusive ever for all it wants. I'm not complaining about Fatal Frame at all. I was merely taking issue with the idea that it's controls OR graphics, since there is a system that offers both and it's called 360.