Bo_Hazem
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Wow! 13mil! It's too complicated that you need to dive in and out, so that adds up as well? But impressive number.
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Wow! 13mil! It's too complicated that you need to dive in and out, so that adds up as well? But impressive number.
xool
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So 12 64GB chips = 768GB (binary GB) (768 x 1024x1024x1024), but Sony chose to report it as 825 GB (decimal) to get the bigger number .. jeez that's cheap.Nice explanation of why Sony went with 825GB SSD
When you buy a 256/512/1TB SSD you get the binary GB (GiB) For example here :
In a 1TB Samsung SSD you get 8x128GiB chips = 1024GB = 1TB - .. but in sony's numbers 1.073 TB ..
The PS5 hardrive is 75% the size of the SeriesX, but they massaged the numbers. Well done SONY. /s
Bo_Hazem
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Ray Tracing is doable from Sony's behalf, and Sony is in the pinnacle of audio quality already. If something I could think of that united effort is going guns blazin on PC and crushing steam and the likes combined with a console for the masses.
But you know, things don't work that way. I personally don't really think of any games on xbox that will be extremely attractive this gen, except Forza Horizon, which I can still play it better on my PC. I can see Xbox didn't go hard enough with the PC market and damaged themselves in the long run.
Kazekage1981
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Apollo Helios
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No 68.7 Gibibyte times 12 = 824,4Gibibyte = 885.2 Gigabyte with overhead/provision => 825 Gigabyte UsableSo 12 64GB chips = 768GB (binary GB) (768 x 1024x1024x1024), but Sony chose to report it as 825 GB (decimal) to get the bigger number .. jeez that's cheap.
When you buy a 256/512/1TB SSD you get the binary GB (GiB) For example here :
In a 1TB Samsung SSD you get 8x128GiB chips = 1024GB = 1TB - .. but in sony's numbers 1.073 TB ..
The PS5 hardrive is 75% the size of the SeriesX, but they massaged the numbers. Well done SONY. /s
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Bo_Hazem
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My brain right now:
Kazekage1981
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Sony defense force, how about you guys email and contact Sony Corporate and Mark Cerny to tell them to make another presentation on PS5 and its capabilities by actually showing games. If not games then tech demos. Talking in here defending Sony is a pitiful excuse for them not owning up to their own responsibility of causing so much mass confusion and disappointment.
Fake
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You can leave the thread if the conversation here don't pleasure you. I do it many times and you can do as well. Back off the console war bullshit.
Apollo Helios
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Ok so usable capacity is 768GB in retail units?
Kazekage1981
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I haven't started any console war bullshit.
ResilientBanana
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They upped their first party significantly. I'm sure there will be a lot of AAA content out of them. I can understand why Forza, Halo and Gears aren't attractive to some. But their 1st party genre's are about to explode.
Bo_Hazem
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I can see Xbox going full software in the future, and just releasing on PS and other platforms, and gaining bigger chunk of money. Maybe buying some massive companies like EA, who knows. Could be wrong and continue to coexist.
I see Forza being the most played xbox game around here, other than that I don't remember. PS should pay more attention for casual racers, not everyone wants that extreme sim. DriveClub had a huge potential.
Enjoy gaming! You can see both PS5 and XSX are already compensating where they think they need more boost for balancing.
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CJY
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Paul not an apple fan actually thinks these consoles are gonna cost 650-700.
He makes a few decent points, but I think he's wayyyy off base here. If AMD are planning on release their 80CU 20T+F Navi2X GPU in Q4, these consoles are gonna already look puny in comparison and I can't see them getting away with the kind of prices he's talking about.
I'm still firmly in the 399-499 camp.
He's making the age-old mistake of trying to price PC parts while taking into account bulk discounts. This is not how it works at all and is not a good starting point whatsoever in trying to figure out the retail price of these systems at all. I don't know what he's thinking.
He makes a few decent points, but I think he's wayyyy off base here. If AMD are planning on release their 80CU 20T+F Navi2X GPU in Q4, these consoles are gonna already look puny in comparison and I can't see them getting away with the kind of prices he's talking about.
I'm still firmly in the 399-499 camp.
He's making the age-old mistake of trying to price PC parts while taking into account bulk discounts. This is not how it works at all and is not a good starting point whatsoever in trying to figure out the retail price of these systems at all. I don't know what he's thinking.
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PocoJoe
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When engineer from intel says that PS5 looks really promising and 3d audio "stokes" him, it is not a small thing. Also many big dev agreed.
Xbots should stop the mad down talk or shut up if only thing they understand is 12>10.2
Well, after the launch things will be the same as in this gen, more popular one will dominate
MisterXDTV
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I have a 250 GB SSD from Samsung.
It's actually 232.83 GiB on Windows. Is Samsung cheap???
It's actually 232.83 GiB on Windows. Is Samsung cheap???
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Yeah, I mean, if they cant show PS5 games that look better than all those Series X games, they better shut it.
Kazekage1981
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No Sony should not shut it. They MUST show it. They have no choice but to show it. Spec revealing is now over for both companies. Just show us the games, and for Sony specifically show us the new immersive way of playing: VR, Sound, Haptic Feedback etc. Specs wont matter as long as the games demonstrate the content creators original vision.
I really do think we are going to get the best of both worlds. Sony's silence is just painful to endure.
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CJY
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This tweet is exactly right in that these kind of leaps in technology are long overdue and another reason why I think next gen will follow the same/similar pricing as this gen. For far too long have we as consumers been enslaved of the hegemony of Intel + Nvidia who have kept prices high and given us super modest increases in performance and core count year-on-year. It has been frankly disgusting and the hen is coming home to roost on these disgusting, toxic companies.
They've been on a rampage of gouging consumers for every last penny while doing the absolute bare minimum and feeding us a pack of lies for nigh-on a generation.
I hope society can hold it all together throughout this year and beyond to get these systems launched and AMD's new cards out, because it's gonna be a bloodbath.
CJY
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Patience is key. I'm OK with the wait.
Kazekage1981
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I dont know why they are being so cautious. There is nothing to fear. The next gen games and its graphics especially from 1st party studios are going to be fine and dandy. I want to play a great game with great graphics, with great story and new way of playing. SHOW IT.
Talking the talk is fine up to a certain time period. Now walk the walk. Make me forget about all these filppidy flops. Make me SEE it, make me HEAR it, make me FEEL it.
Infinite_Trajektory
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You then have Dolby, whom I would go out on a limb and say are far beyond Intel, Sony in terms of Audio ; refuting their claims a bit
Continue.
saintjules
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Gamernyc78
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Halo hasn't been a looker in years so thts not saying much. Killzone made it look like ass since ps3 gen.
kyliethicc
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Yeah and Tempest can probably do ray tracing because it started as a RDNA GPU CU and was then customized by Sony. So on Xbox devs will still likely need to use the GPU if they want to hardware audio ray tracing. But PS5 Tempest SPU might allow devs to move some of that work off the GPU to the Tempest SPU, freeing up more of the GPU to accelerate ray tracing for lightning or something else. I think.
CJY
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I don't think it's caution really. I just think they have a plan and they're sticking to and and I'm fine with that. I'm excited too, but I'm very confident I'll be happy with what I see and I would rather see things closer to launch instead of a super-duper long wait.
Kazekage1981
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Neofire
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I think Sony did this on purpose, you cant tell me that the ps5 can't run ps1 or ps2 titles? Hell even ps3 if they tried. They want to keep pushing psnow is my only explanation.
Kazekage1981
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I wanted to hear Mark Cerny say you can play almost all or most PlayStation game since PS1, enhanced, upscaled so badly that when I saw that slide my heart almost tanked. On top of that imagine playing the old games online on ps5 for fun and nostalgia.
But... no.
Roronoa Zoro
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What confusion and disappointment? What are you confused about?
ethomaz
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Actually both uses the same mensure.So 12 64GB chips = 768GB (binary GB) (768 x 1024x1024x1024), but Sony chose to report it as 825 GB (decimal) to get the bigger number .. jeez that's cheap.
When you buy a 256/512/1TB SSD you get the binary GB (GiB) For example here :
In a 1TB Samsung SSD you get 8x128GiB chips = 1024GB = 1TB - .. but in sony's numbers 1.073 TB ..
The PS5 hardrive is 75% the size of the SeriesX, but they massaged the numbers. Well done SONY. /s
Samsung 1TB = 931GiB (it shows that on Windows).
What the guy is trying to say is a bit confuse yet.
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VanSiriusGabriel
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Killzone was 30 fps and 2 has embarrassing input lag. I was comparing it with others 60 fps shooters.
M1chl
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That because for some reason they use this shit since forever when bytes are not calculated with dividing it by 1024 how it should be, but with 1000.I have a 250 GB SSD from Samsung.
It's actually 232.83 GiB on Windows. Is Samsung cheap???
ethomaz
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HD manufatures uses base 1000... all of them.
PC OS uses base 1024.
Sony reporting 825GB means it will show 768GiB on Windows or PS5’s OS.
MS 1TB will show 931GiB on Windows or Xbox’s OS.
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B_Boss
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Firstly, the total XSX memory bandwidth will never drop below 448 GB / s (560 - 112 = 448, 336 + 112 = 448). They have a common bus.
There should be at least equality of both. Although XSX can be mined more profitably in some cases.
Again, PS5 will be forced to share the bandwidth between the GPU and CPU, then the performance separately for the GPU and CPU will inevitably decrease.
Secondly, adding to red (bad) - a slower, but still sufficient fast SSD - is unjustified.
What is the source for the Sony graph? Very interesting
. Please and thanks.
VanSiriusGabriel
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Like, really?
Wtf it's like for someone a meter is 100 cm and 107 cm for another. Why everything needs to be overly complicate in tech? Can't they pick the oldest and original metric and use that forever?
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M1chl
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Well except it really does not matter after all, when Windows also use the same metric with file sizes.
Because you have to start with baseline of bit, so that gives you BASE-2, not BASE-10 number.
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ethomaz
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There is a lot of articles explaining it.
It is the same as Miles vs Kilometers.
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Why Does My Hard Drive Store Less Than Its Capacity?
Take a look at the discrepancies in advertised vs. actual storage capacities for drives, CDs, DVDs and flash media.
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ethomaz
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Yeap it is just different measurements like Kilometers vs miles.
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Noblevoice
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NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
He post also said the XSX was good but he thought the PS5 was better . First post of the devs react to PS5 thread.
www.resetera.com
SonGoku
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idk man, Cerny did say its main purpose is 3D audio, and they would gladly say if it was capable of audio RT
Audio RT will likely be done by GPU RT hw. The resource consumption is very small for a RT capable GPU anyways
VanSiriusGabriel
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2 and 10 are still even numbers, you can get 1010 as a metric either with 2 or 10.
Anyway the other guy gave me an article so I will read that.
ethomaz
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How anybody at this point still says PS5 is NOT RDNA2 after AMD, Sony, Cerny and official spec sheet says RDNA 2 is unbelievable.NX Gamer: PS5 Full Spec Analysis | A new generation is Born
He post also said the XSX was good but he thought the PS5 was better . First post of the devs react to PS5 thread.
CJY
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M1chl
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An how may I ask if something need to be "power by x"
Kib is 2E10 b (since bit can have 2 stages)
KB is 10E3 B
kyliethicc
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And don’t games on console also use 1000s to list game sizes?
Noblevoice
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Crazy, i know.
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