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[SonGoku]

AMD has shown they're happy to make these custom APUs using GDDR for more niche players. This specific company disbanded, but if they could do it once...

A Quick Look at the Subor Z+ Console/PC Hybrid: A Custom AMD SoC Called FireFlight

www.anandtech.com

Yeah also this:

AMD Fenghuang 15FF: faster than RX Vega M GH, rocks 2GB HBM2

AMD's new Fenghuang 15FF APU teased, sports 2GB of HBM2 at 1200MHz.

www.tweaktown.com

This chip should be part of the Zen+ APU family with 4C/8T of CPU power, 3GHz clock speed, and 2GB of HBM2 clocked at 1200MHz (2.4GHz effective). AMD's new chip sports 28 CUs and 1792 SPs (up from 24 CUs and 1536 SPs on Vega 24) while there's 2GB of HBM2 at 2.4Gbps offering 307.2GB/sec memory bandwidth

The Subor Z+ console team has disbanded - but it's not game over yet

Last September we took an early look at the Z+, a Windows 10 games console from Chinese manufacturer Zhongshan Subor. A…

www.eurogamer.net

However, this may not be the last attempt that Zhongshan Subor makes to enter the Chinese games console market according to a statement by the company's CEO, Wu Song: "While the Shanghai office has been closed, the project is still ongoing and we will have a new announcement to make regarding its progress in the next few months."

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The project is supposed to still exist, but it is actually vegetating, because the development is not really advanced due to the downsizing and the closure of the office.

Their initial 4TF Vega APU is outdated for a 2019 launch let alone 2020.

 

[sonomamashine]

I don't believe 2019 was ever in the running as an actual release date.

It's all been part of a superbly played misinformation campaign.

Start whispers of a 2019 release implying a ~8TF 7nm DUV machine.

The competitor hears these whispers and goes for a marginal improvement at the bottom end of the 7nm EUV performance scale. They're confident because 12 TF easily beats 8TF 7nm DUV.

MS fell for it hook, line and sinker. This can be seen from from the early gloating 12TF Anaconda, 8TF PS5 "leaks" and similar astroturfer comments.

Unleash a 14.2 TF beast that utilises the full 7nm EUV die area.

The generation will be won before it even begins.

The final piece of the puzzle is price which will put the last nail in the coffin...

I dont know if your joking or serious, just to be CLEAR Sony & Ms dont make decisions based on competitors rumours and leaks and whispers, GOT IT ?
If any company does that, it will shut its doors.
Economicly speaking, between 8/9Tf, if they go crazy up to 11tf.
I dont think they will fo with EUV, not enough time testing and production.

 

[SpinningBirdKick]

So what is the reason AMD didnt go with EUV with Zen2 and Navi?

If you want to disrupt a market, you do it from the bottom end and work upwards.

Not the other way around.

The bottom end of the performance scale is where mass market sales come from. Not the high end flagship products at enthusiast prices to a much smaller potential pool of customers.

The high end product brings bragging rights for marketing, the low end products bring the lion's share of the profit to the bottom line.

 

[DJ12]

Z(CONVINCED this means qualification sample)G16702AE8JB2_32/10(CONVINCED this means Navi 10)/18_13F8

2(CONVINCED this means enginnering sample)G16002CE8JA2_32/10(CONVINCED this means Navi 10)/10_13E9

100-000000004-15_32/12/18_13F9

Now CONVINCED after a qualification and engineering samples they have put a navi 12 in there for shits and giggles.

Talk about twisting things to suit your agenda.



Quote from the all knowing "we" multiples.

 

[SonGoku]

Economically speaking, between 8/9Tf, if they go crazy up to 11tf.

8-9TF doesn't have near enough juice for next gen games at 4K
Console manufacturers know this and targeted a launch date that would make it possible to meet min requirements for next gen: 20GB RAM - 11TF

I dont think they will with EUV, not enough time testing and production.

Actually 7nm EUV had its first tape out on 2018, that provides enough time for testing (2 years)

 

[luca_29_bg]

And these ?

 

[Ovech-King]

Nice theory, based on thin air, but there where no "8TF" rumors before 2019. It never happened. They have their own targets that where set 3-4 years ago. There is 0% these consoles are using EUV, and even less of a chance they are getting 14.2TF.

14.2TF would be higher performing then ANY GPU currently in existance. And not only that, you would need 512bit bus with 14Gbps chips to feed that beast (or 18Gbps on 384 bit bus). Safe to say, you would be paying through your ass for that one...

Not one of them will deliver double digit TF console.

I won't bet on 14TF that sounds like a stretch but do you reaaaalllly think Sony AND Microsoft will come on stage with a release date one YEAR later than Stadia and let Google run the double digit TF party alone?

Just no fu**king way that happens. Only to impress the most basic gamer they need to come out bigger than 10.7TF to say ''we beat Google'' . It could be a crappy Vega 11TF and they would most probably get the casual gamer money only because of the TFlops stat.

They know they have to beat it ; Marketing 101

 

[SonGoku]

I won't bet on 14TF that sounds like a stretch but do you reaaaalllly think Sony AND Microsoft will come on stage with a release date one YEAR later than Stadia and let Google run the double digit TF party alone?

Just no fu**king way that happens. Only to impress the most basic gamer they need to come out bigger than 10.7TF to say ''we beat Google'' . It could be a crappy Vega 11TF and they would most probably win the casual gamer money only because of the TFlops stat.

They know they have to beat it ; Marketing 101

They can just spin marketing and talk about other numbers
The main reason why 8-9TF is a no go its because it does not provide the necessary performance for next gen games at 4K

 

[sonomamashine]

I won't bet on 14TF that sounds like a stretch but do you reaaaalllly think Sony AND Microsoft will come on stage with a release date one YEAR later than Stadia and let Google run the double digit TF party alone?

Just no fu**king way that happens. Only to impress the most basic gamer they need to come out bigger than 10.7TF to say ''we beat Google'' . It could be a crappy Vega 11TF and they would most probably get the casual gamer money only because of the TFlops stat.

They know they have to beat it ; Marketing 101

Stadia is 10.7tf gcn, we talking rdna tf

 

[sonomamashine]

They can just spin marketing and talk about other numbers
The main reason why 8-9TF is a no go its because it does not provide the necessary performance for next gen games at 4K

I think you got that the wrong way, isnt that marketin ?
1.8tf god of war and horizon doing good, what can they do with 9tf, also cerny said that 8tf was capable to run 4k (8tf gcn)

 

[Exentryk]

Next gen Open World games should look like this. Or not? This match original watch dogs reveal? Or is Better?

No, next gen will look a lot better. Maybe we'll see something like below for next gen:

 

[sonomamashine]

No, next gen will look a lot better. Maybe we'll see something like below for next gen:

Better than this, this was optimised for pro, other games never delivered a leap between pro and original ps4 because of leapfrogging.

 

[SonGoku]

I think you got that the wrong way, isnt that marketin ?

Yes and no
While 4k is a marketing term its also the expected target resolution for next gen, they need a powerful GPU for next gen games at 4k

1.8tf god of war and horizon doing good

at 1080p... if the target was 1440p 9TF RDNA would be sufficient

also cerny said that 8tf was capable to run 4k (8tf gcn)

For current gen games... That actually helps my point, for next gen games a big jump is necessary
Even applying the optimistic 1.4x multiplier to 9TF RDNA = 12.6TF. Thats not even a 2x jump over the 8tf needed for current gen games

 

[Racer!]

So what is the reason AMD didnt go with EUV with Zen2 and Navi?

Not sure if youre serious. But Navi+Zen2 is launching now. Sony/MS are launching years from now.

 

[sonomamashine]

Yes and no
While 4k is a marketing term its also the expected target resolution for next gen, they need a powerful GPU for next gen games at 4k

Not talking about 4k being a marketing term but hyping a product is part of marketing.

at 1080p... if the target was 1440p 9TF RDNA would be sufficient

Good graphics paired with zen2, more physics more npc's etc...

For current gen games... That actually helps my point, for next gen games a big jump is necessary
Even applying the optimistic 1.4x multiplier to 9TF RDNA = 12.6TF. Thats not even a 2x jump over the 8tf needed for current gen games

You can run a 4k60 with less details... 4k has a cost and you are free to choose how do you want to play your games, knowing that 4k is not even the norm and they know that, even so most people wont game at 4k due to lower capabilities.
Anyway i dont see beyond 11tf, i want to believe but its not gonna happen.

 

[Exentryk]

Better than this, this was optimised for pro, other games never delivered a leap between pro and original ps4 because of leapfrogging.

I'll be happy with this quality open world games. So if it ends up being better than that, even better!

 

[SonGoku]

You can run a 4k60 with less details...

9TF will struggle to run current gen games at 4k/60 let alone next gen games

Anyway i dont see beyond 11tf, i want to believe but its not gonna happen.

Up to 11.4TF is reasonable on DUV, to get anything more on consoles EUV will be needed

 

[ResilientBanana]

9TF will struggle to run current gen games at 4k/60 let alone next gen games

Up to 11.4TF is reasonable on DUV, to get anything more on consoles EUV will be needed

6TF is running games at 4k with very little issues and look pretty good and those are GCN cores from a few years ago. Even 6TF on NAVI would far surpass that card in efficiencies and power. 8-9TF will suffice just fine. If NAVI never came out, I would have to agree that 11TF was necessary, but the technology is simply better now.

 

[Lone Wolf]

9TF will struggle to run current gen games at 4k/60 let alone next gen games

Up to 11.4TF is reasonable on DUV, to get anything more on consoles EUV will be needed

I have a question and im not so tech savy so explain like i'm stupid. If we are hitting 4K sometimes with Xbox one X, Why would 9TF struggle? Is it because of the 60fps? Is it that taxing even with Ryzen? I tried to Bing it (told you I'm stupid) but couldn't find an decent explanation.

 

[vpance]

They can just spin marketing and talk about other numbers
The main reason why 8-9TF is a no go its because it does not provide the necessary performance for next gen games at 4K

Even if they can by lowering res to 1440p, no devs are saying they are cool with a GPU that borderline.

Just like how they all pushed for 8GB last gen, devs probably asked for hardware that can hit 4K and comfortably have next gen visuals, before having to use resolution tricks.

 

[SonGoku]

6TF is running games at 4k with very little issues and look pretty good and those are GCN cores from a few years ago.

The X does not run games consistently at 4k, most are dynamic or aproximate 4k, the main AAA game that runs at 4K is RDR2 (with performance issues)
But for arguments sake let's assume 6TF X ran most games at 4k (not dynamic)
A 9TF RDNA GPU is not even a 2x jump over the X.
2x jump for a next leap is anemic, it would be barely noticeable

I would have to agree that 11TF was necessary, but the technology is simply better now.

11TFGCN would not even be 2x the X, that's nowhere near enough for a next gen leap

If we are hitting 4K sometimes with Xbox one X, Why would 9TF struggle?

If your target is current gen games that would be fine but for next gen games at 4k it doesn't provide enough juice
7770-7850 where eating alive last gen games at 1080p while the 5700XT struggles with current gen games at 4k
The equivalent of 5700 performance in 2020 for a console is using a HD5830 - GTX 460 for current gen consoles.

Even if they can by lowering res to 1440p, no devs are saying they are cool with a GPU that borderline.

Just like how they all pushed for 8GB last gen, devs probably asked for hardware that can hit 4K and comfortably have next gen visuals, before having to use resolution tricks.

Im confident next gen will be 11TF minimum, Sony/MS woulnt have targeted 2020 if the best they could do was 9TF.

 

[ResilientBanana]

The X does not run games consistently at 4k, most are dynamic or aproximate 4k, the main AAA game that runs at 4K is RDR2 (with performance issues)
But for arguments sake let's assume 6TF X ran most games at 4k (not dynamic)
A 9TF RDNA GPU is not even a 2x jump over the X.
2x jump for a next leap is anemic, it would be barely noticeable

11TF would not even be 2x the X, that's nowhere near enough for a next gen leap

If your target is current gen games that would be fine but for next gen games at 4k it doesn't provide enough juice
7770-7850 where eating alive last gen games at 1080p while the 5700XT struggles with current gen games at 4k
The equivalent of 5700 performance in 2020 for a console is using a HD5830 - GTX 460 for current gen consoles.


Im confident next gen will be 11TF minimum, Sony/MS woulnt have targeted 2020 if the best they could do was 9TF.

Why does it seem like you glance over the fact that even at 8TF Navi is 1.5x more powerful than 8TF GCN. Old vs new is not really apples to apples.

 

[SonGoku]

Why does it seem like you glance over the fact that even at 8TF Navi is 1.5x more powerful than 8TF GCN. Old vs new is not really apples to apples.

I don't, its because of it that i think 11TF (2080-2080S tier) would be sufficient for next gen 4k consoles
I base my estimates on in game performance of the cards

 

[Ovech-King]

Stadia is 10.7tf gcn, we talking rdna tf

Totally get that but the average Joe will see stadia as better on top of being portable if they don't beat them at the Tflops finish line when they announce the specs. That's why the need to push the envelope and make that RDNA beyond 11Tf now; both Sony and Microsoft

 

[Negotiator]

GCN = ISA
Navi/RDNA = microarchitecture

Too many people confuse those two things, even though it's kinda straightforward in CPUs:

i386/x86-64 = ISA
Pentium 4, Intel Core, Athlon, Jaguar, Zen = microarchitecture

TL;DR: GCN is going nowhere, just like x86-64.

Why does it seem like you glance over the fact that even at 8TF Navi is 1.5x more powerful than 8TF GCN. Old vs new is not really apples to apples.

A quad-core Zen CPU is also more powerful than octa-core Jaguar. Would that make it acceptable for next-gen (2020-2030)?

Try to remember how many people were insisting we didn't need more than 4 Zen cores...

 

[SonGoku]

Too many people confuse those two things, even though it's kinda straightforward in CPUs:

i386/x86-64 = ISA
Pentium 4, Intel Core, Athlon, Jaguar, Zen = microarchitecture

TL;DR: GCN is going nowhere, just like x86-64.

The reason for that is ISA for GPUs changed several times in the last decade compared to the more static x86-64

 

[sinnergy]

This thread is getting ridiculous ... must be the heat..

 

[Mass Shift]

Wrong video link

 

[SonGoku]

AMD Flute APU

does it have any new info? or does it regurgitates info we already know
My adhd makes it specially hard to watch long videos that take forever to say something that could be said in 1 minute :/

 

[Mass Shift]

does it have any new info? or does it regurgitates info we already know
My adhd makes it specially hard to watch long videos that take forever to say something that could be said in 1 minute :/

Nothing conclusive. But I linked it improperly the first time.

 

[xool]

does it have any new info? or does it regurgitates info we already know
My adhd makes it specially hard to watch long videos that take forever to say something that could be said in 1 minute :/

nothing new

 

[SonGoku]

Nothing conclusive. But I linked it improperly the first time.

CPU worse than 1700x on the video, could be explained by the reduced cache?

Spoiler

16 1GB chips is also suspect, either a budget Chinese chip or software bug. Video speculates its laptop chip
Either way this doesn't seem like a console part at all

 

[bhunachicken]

I've been reading about next gen tech too much lately, as last night I had a dream that Sony unveiled the PS5 at E3 2020 (though I can't remember seeing the specs).

The launch price was £599.99 ($749.49).

No one cheered. The audience was clearly mute. Then Sony said:

"That's a price that will be very attractive to gamers."

 

[llien]

The reason for that is ISA for GPUs changed several times in the last decade compared to the more static x86-64

Expanded a bit, but not been swapped with a totally different arch.
Nvidias Psomething is what, 11 years old?

 

[Mass Shift]

I've been reading about next gen tech too much lately, as last night I had a dream that Sony unveiled the PS5 at E3 2020 (though I can't remember seeing the specs).

The launch price was £599.99 ($749.49).

No one cheered. The audience was clearly mute. Then Sony said:

"That's a price that will be very attractive to gamers."

Some might consider that a nightmare. But at $749.99, we would get the beast we're all dreaming about and so much more. Gawd, if only our fellow console gamers weren't so cheap.

 

[Darius87]

The X does not run games consistently at 4k, most are dynamic or aproximate 4k, the main AAA game that runs at 4K is RDR2 (with performance issues)
But for arguments sake let's assume 6TF X ran most games at 4k (not dynamic)
A 9TF RDNA GPU is not even a 2x jump over the X.
2x jump for a next leap is anemic, it would be barely noticeable

9Tflops Rdna is more then 2x increase over 6Tflops(xonex vega) if 50% gains over gcn is true even if it 30% it would almost match 2x..

11TFGCN would not even be 2x the X, that's nowhere near enough for a next gen leap

you can't compare with this gen upgraded models you should compare to base models if ps3 to ps4 was around 8x increase in flops that mean it probably won't be as much this time i would guess it would be 7x increase over ps4.
so 7x over ps4 with rdna would be 8.5 tflops. 8x would be 9.8 tflops. with these spec it could run games at 4k 30 easily with next-gen graphics.

 

[SonGoku]

Expanded a bit, but not been swapped with a totally different arch.
Nvidias Psomething is what, 11 years old?

How do i search GPU ISA for nvidia?
Tesla, Fermi and Maxwell?
AMD TeraScale, GCN

Still you gotta admit isa is much more dynamic for gpus

 

[xool]

CPU worse than 1700x on the video, could be explained by the reduced cache?

16 1GB chips is also suspect, either a budget Chinese chip or software bug. Video speculates its laptop chip
Either way this doesn't seem like a console part at all

Actually about the same as Ryzen 1700 at 3GHz base, and inferior if the 1700 is clocked at 3.7GHz

Asrock AB350 Gaming K4 Performance Results - UserBenchmark

[btw that user has 4 HDD drives hooked up for 10TB plus an SSD - that's a lot of porn]

eg cf this 1700 at 3.15 GHz average - almost identical average single and multicore scores but float scores are actually way inferior

It's bad.

 

[SonGoku]

9Tflops Rdna is more then 2x increase over 6Tflops(xonex vega) if 50% gains over gcn is true even if it 30% it would almost match 2x..

Not really, Vega64 is not even a 2x increase in performance over the X GPU. GCN hit diminishing returns with more TF in gaming

you can't compare with this gen upgraded models you should compare to base models if ps3 to ps4 was around 8x increase in flops that mean it probably won't be as much this time i would guess it would be 7x increase over ps4.
so 7x over ps4 with rdna would be 8.5 tflops. 8x would be 9.8 tflops. with these spec it could run games at 4k 30 easily with next-gen graphics.

I look at upgraded models because those are running the target resolution for next gen
You are doing a broken comparison: 8x increase last gen without even taking into account the massive architecture jump over rsx/xenos, if you add architecture efficiencies (like you are doing with gcn->rdna) its much higher jump than 8x.

8x the jump in floating point for 2x the resolution
4.7x (1.8 ->8.5) the jump in floating point for 4x the resolution

You are also forgetting the 7850 was destroying last gen games at 1080p while the 5700xt struggles at 4k

 

[R600]

What laptop has 16GB of GDDR6 system memory? 18Gbps at that? (Fastest available chips from Samsung, still not in mass production?)

360 > Xbone was more like 5x the jump. Smaller for CPU, ~5 times for GPU and bigger for memory.

 

[SonGoku]

What laptop has 16GB of GDDR6 system memory? 18Gbps at that? (Fastest available chips from Samsung, still not in mass production?)

Maybe a gaming laptop, seen crazier dual and triple gpus laptops before or Subor
CPU is very mediocre as well

Im curious how did you estimate the memory speed, based on what info?

 

[Fenris Wolf]

Something that's bothering me is the fact that people are willing to spend 700~1000$ yearly on a new phone but it's completely the opposite when you talk about a console (Which IMO has more product value and a longer life cycle compared to a regular phone) Personally if i want the best quality possible, i would go with PC but looking at how things are done by companies like SONY and MS, They are basically sacrificing A LOT when it comes to their new hardware. Sure, Even with a 600/700 or even 800$ Hardware some compromises would still exist but in return, The final product is something much more ideal and better for both ends (Devs and Consumers) The reaction would be hard at first but if both companies do something similar with their pricing, then things would change IMO.

 

[R600]

Maybe a gaming laptop, seen crazier dual and triple gpus laptops before or Subor
CPU is very mediocre as well

Im curious how did you estimate the memory speed, based on what info?

Its not mediocre, its reality. GDDR6 will bring much bigger latencies, 3.2GHZ clocks will push score further down as will halving the cache.

In the end, people will be unhappy with anything thats not 14TF 3900X, but reality is - we got mobile POS CPUs and 1.2TF last gen.

 

[SonGoku]

Its not mediocre, its reality. GDDR6 will bring much bigger latencies,

Which is why cache is super important, makes no sense to cripple CPU to save 30mm

3.2GHZ clocks will push score further down

Its on par with the 1700x IPC

In the end, people will be unhappy with anything thats not 14TF 3900X,

Intact 3700x with 11TF GPU would be beast enough

we got mobile POS CPUs and 1.2TF last gen.

The PS4/XBONE GPUs equivalents where destroying last gen games at 1080p while the 5700xt struggles with 4k

 

[R600]

It absolutely does make sense to free up 30mm² and put it in GPU then get relatively small increase in CPU performance.

Remember, even Zen1 CPUs have NO issues maintaining ANY game at 60+ fps. Something like full 3700x in console is complete overkill because, in comparison to last gen, GPU will be far bigger bottleneck.

So yea, it ABSOLUTELY makes sense to "cripple" CPU side that is already very OP to gain on GPU side.

And no, you cannot compare last gen 1080p with this gens 4k. Why? Well because Xbone GPU was not "destroying" anything, let alone at 1080p. In fact, 90% of Xbone games are 900p.

2nd, because 720p increase from 7th gen to 1080p 8th gen is 2x increase in pixel count, while next gen would be 4x. So, better comparison would be to expect 1440p resolution next gen, as that is 1.7x increase in resolution.

Check your expectation because 1080p to 4k is MUCH bigger leap then 720p to 1080p.

 

[Darius87]

Not really, Vega64 is not even a 2x increase in performance over the X GPU. GCN hit diminishing returns with more TF in gaming

they same vega arch which i'm not even comparing or console to pcparts like you do that's why probably you're not getting 2x increase over x in performance.

I look at upgraded models because those are running the target resolution for next gen
You are doing a broken comparison: 8x increase last gen without even taking into account the massive architecture jump over rsx/xenos, if you add architecture efficiencies (like you are doing with gcn->rdna) its much higher jump than 8x.

it's not broken it's fair comparing launch to launch models not launch to upgraded,
that's even better for Rdna arch because in performance it should increase even more then 50% over polaris(ps4) or that should means we should expect 8-9tflops for ps5? given such huge perf increase.

8x the jump in floating point for 2x the resolution
4.7x (1.8 ->8.5) the jump in floating point for 4x the resolution

around 8tflop for 4k but that doesn't mean games would look like on ps4 with better resolution.

You are also forgetting the 7850 was destroying last gen games at 1080p while the 5700xt struggles at 4k

again not i'm not comparing pc parts to console which is wrong, 5700xt based card in console would do 4k 30 next-gen gfx with no sweat.

 

[CrustyBritches]

If this is the same chip as Gonzalo then it has decent enough CPU performance. For 20K+ FS you'd need ~2600X performance paired with 5700 XT, or ~3600/3600X performance paired with 5700 Pro. If they are the same chip, then this Userbench would probably mean the 5700 XT pairing.

This is all assuming the Userbench numbers aren't fudged by the use of GDDR6 as system memory. That's why if it wasn't PS5, then I would lean more towards something like SuborZ+ rather than a gaming laptop. Regardless, the PS5 is confirmed for Navi and Zen 2.

 

[SonGoku]

absolutely does make sense to free up 30mm² and put it in GPU then get relatively small increase in CPU performance

Not really, to go from 3700x to 1700x for a mere 30mm2 is a terrible tradeof specially considering the already small GPU die
Zen2 CCD is the size of Jaguar at 28nm

Remember, even Zen1 CPUs have NO issues maintaining ANY game at 60+ fps

Current gen games

Why? Well because Xbone GPU was not "destroying" anything,

It was destroying last gen games at 1080p while the 5700xt struggles with current gen games at 4k

2nd, because 720p increase from 7th gen to 1080p 8th gen

a 2x increase
the jump to 4k is a 4x increase

 

[R600]

Songoku, you have absolutely arbitrary expectations not based in reality.

Is CPU from userbenchmark leak enough to push ANY game at 60fps? YES.

Would adding additional cache and 30mm² on CPU side result in better performance in games where they will be capped at 60fps ANYWAY? No. It would be incredibly stupid tradeoff.

Remember, extra die space is ALWAYS better spent on GPU side in gaming consoles. Without exception.

If they aimed for 120fps next gen, then by all means dont halve the cache, but in this case extra cache would be of no use as games would not be bottlenecked by CPU in any way.

Again, destroying 1080p games. But 1080p was ONLY 2x increase in pixels compared to 720p. In 8 years that gen has lasted and graphics tech advances where bigger mind you.

Today, increase from 1080p to 4k is 4x, so double that of last gen. Better comparison would be 1440p which 5700xt DESTROYS.

So my point is that you are making completely arbitraty expectations that are not based in reality. Thats all.

 

[SonGoku]

they same vega arch which i'm not even comparing or console to pcparts like you do that's why probably you're not getting 2x increase over x in performance.

9TF RDNA is roughly comparable to Vega64 which is why i brought it up
PC comparisons give a estimate of performance gap between cards, that's the point

it's not broken it's fair comparing launch to launch models not launch to upgraded,

Read before you reply
You are applying architecture efficiencies (1.5x multiplier) for the GCN->RDNA jump while you are taking the RSX/XENOS -> GCN jump at face value without applying architecture efficiencies. Its a broken comparison.

that's even better for Rdna arch because in performance it should increase even more then 50% over polaris(ps4) or that should means we should expect 8-9tflops for ps5? given such huge perf increase.

you got it all backwards

around 8tflop for 4k but that doesn't mean games would look like on ps4 with better resolution.

Slightly better "higher settings" type of difference

again not i'm not comparing pc parts to console which is wrong, 5700xt based card in console would do 4k 30 next-gen gfx with no sweat.

Not really lol
2x the XBONEX will basically give you current gen games at 4k/60 and slightly prettier current gen games at 4k/30