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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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BGs BGs is still here so....
Don't get banned. It's easier to ignore and take the highroad.

This tit-for-tat with industry veterans, BGs or VFX, is not good for the site. Those who were wrong, know they were wrong and those who watched and read now know what they were watching and reading was wrong. To bring it up every time they post is doing a disservice to those veterans (who are not perfect) or to the rest of the forum.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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He was quite convinced the PS5 was considerably more powerful then it turned out to be.

Still to this day from speaking to him privately I do not believe he intentionally set out to deceive people I think he had bad info from his source and after some recent events with some devs I believe that more then ever today.

Yeah, I personally believe he didn't do it intentionally. Seemed like a good person. He can come back although many would rather harass him with that. I won't do that and many others as well.
 
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Yeah, I personally believe he didn't do it intentionally. Seemed like a good person. He can come back although many would rather harass him with that ok, I won't do that and many others as well.
I mean, to be fair, the people that questioned him were harassed and banned from the site although they've now turned out correct (not in harassing, in questioning).

This seems to get forgotten. No apologies were made, nobody said "oops, my bad" when a big portion of this thread drove people out for questioning the insiders.
 

sircaw

Banned
Don't get banned. It's easier to ignore and take the highroad.

This tit-for-tat with industry veterans, BGs or VFX, is not good for the site. Those who were wrong, know they were wrong and those who watched and read know what they were watching and reading was wrong. To bring it up every time they post is doing a disservice to those veterans (who are not perfect) or to the rest of the forum.

I am also a Veteran, just not industry or army, just old ffs.

Fs, its got to count for something.
 

Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
I mean, to be fair, the people that questioned him were harassed and banned from the site although they've now turned out correct (not in harassing, in questioning).

This seems to get forgotten. No apologies were made, nobody said "oops, my bad" when a big portion of this thread drove people out for questioning the insiders.

Personally, I won't sacrifice my work just for some fame in a forum. Actually, BG's nearly lost his if you've been watching the thread closely as he spilled the right numbers somewhere. He's not an insider, he's a dev, first hand experience.

Anyway, I would rather have them give us more about the games and how they feel about them, and things that don't disturb their NDA. It's just not worth it.

Numbers like 13.8TF could easily be early prototypes with Radeon VII for example, and numbers like 11.6 could be collective overall TF of the GPU/CPU/Tempest/i/o and I've shown them reaching around 12.6TF.

Anyway, that story is now behind us, and I can't see them being aggressive to be harassed that why. That matrix guy is actually not worth mentioning with him outrageously downplaying consoles, the opposite of other insiders/devs.
 

MasterCornholio

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Don't get banned. It's easier to ignore and take the highroad.

This tit-for-tat with industry veterans, BGs or VFX, is not good for the site. Those who were wrong, know they were wrong and those who watched and read now know what they were watching and reading was wrong. To bring it up every time they post is doing a disservice to those veterans (who are not perfect) or to the rest of the forum.

I only have issues with the ones that won't admit their mistakes or act like they can never be wrong.
 
Personally, I won't sacrifice my work just for some fame in a forum. Actually, BG's nearly lost his if you've been watching the thread closely as he spilled the right numbers somewhere. He's not an insider, he's a dev, first hand experience.

Anyway, I would rather have them give us more about the games and how they feel about them, and things that don't disturb their NDA. It's just not worth it.

Numbers like 13.8TF could easily be early prototypes with Radeon VII for example, and numbers like 11.6 could be collective overall TF of the GPU/CPU/Tempest/i/o and I've shown them reaching around 12.6TF.

Anyway, that story is now behind us, and I can't see them being aggressive to be harassed that why. That matrix guy is actually not worth mentioning with him outrageously downplaying consoles, the opposite of other insiders/devs.
I agree 100%

I am nobody vetted and have shared nothing here but I am somebody who worked closely with the industry first on the retail side then on the development side for almost 8 years now. I would never put my head out on anything I've heard on these nexy gen systems or games coming. It's just not worth it. And I have no interest in people asking me questions publically or in PMs or being harassed. Better to just keep to yourself and watch as things unfold.

We've got a great 5-7 years of gaming ahead regardless of your favorite plastic box. End of story. Everybody be happy.
 

devilNprada

Member
There were other users that were just trolling though like that @tflopsmatters person. He basically tried to set everyone's expectations sky high (cause he had a strong feeling that the final numbers would be lower) and then proceeded to trash the systems once the numbers were given.

No, he was fanatical and a bit crazy... (see his post on Aliens) he had huge expectations and was really disapointed... He wasn't intentionally misleading people.

Edit: Had some eccentric beliefs I am sorry
 
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FranXico

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If MS used SmartShift it could run at faster speeds than it currently does. That's how it works. Why would you not want it?
heat and cooling, potential overheating issues, there are lots of reasons
 
Okay but what would harassing BGs to admit his mistakes solve?

Nothing. So drop it. That's my point. Be annoyed, have issues, but people should drop it.

I see no problem with them questioning everything he says after what happened. It could be just an honest mistake but he needs to build that trust back up not them.

I admit that these guys are going above and beyond normal questioning but if he doesn't like it he can just use the ignore button and move on.
 

ksdixon

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What does GAF think of this? Cause to get excited for PS1,2,3,4 BC on PS5?
Personally, I would love to let myself get excited, but I can't afford the let down. Better to think it isn't/can't happen, and recieve a positive surprise, hopefully.

If it were to happen, I want the ability to download games to SSD through PSNow, like GamePass. Trying to stream games on PSNow, depending on the game, can be completely lag-filled and unplayable.
 

ksdixon

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Boooo. no back triggers, it looks like from that picture. What exactly was the point in releasing a back button attachment so late in PS4's lifespan, if not to include them in PS5 controller, especially seeing how the b.b.a. is apparently widely loved and souled-out?
 

T-Cake

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Boooo. no back triggers, it looks like from that picture. What exactly was the point in releasing a back button attachment so late in PS4's lifespan, if not to include them in PS5 controller, especially seeing how the b.b.a. is apparently widely loved and souled-out?

Then again, I've read on other forums that after people have used them for a couple of weeks, they've taken them off as they got in the way.
 

pasterpl

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Smartshift solves those problems - it doesn't create them...

from reviews of one of the first smartshift laptops (dell g5 15 se);

SmartShift gives those extra watts to the GPU so that it can work harder and generate more heat to be dissipated by the PC's cooling system.

The Dell G5 15 SE is the first SmartShift laptop on the market, and delivers strong performance for the money. But it runs hot...

I know that this single laptop shouldn’t be an indication of how good smartshift is, but it is interesting to see it in the real world device
 

3liteDragon

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I have been surprised with how much RT has been being shown as well so far. To be honest, when I saw the Minecraft demo for XSX I figured 'that's it, we won't be seeing RT hardly at all this generation,' because of the massive performance hit it showed and that hit was hardly a surprise as RT is DEMANDING. But...from what I've read so far, it seems like devs can get some good bang for the buck from RT while taking only about a 10% performance hit. Which appears to be what we're seeing right now. I'm happy with that as it still seems to be letting them hit 4k at at least 30fps. So, ok....and for games where 60fps is needed, take the RT off- fine with me!

I'm just pleasantly surprised that it seems we'll see a lot more of RT in games than I had expected. Again, as long as they don't make games start chugging thru sections of levels, I'm all for it. Can't wait to see more demos and games from both XSX and PS5 so we can see more of what we can expect!
Yeah, investing into CBR development surely pays off now more than anyone could've imagine, I just hope it becomes a standard technique, rather than for example cutting out objects from reflections like R&C does. GT7 not only looks better because of that but, also runs at 60FPS, it's a win-win solution.
See I think both next-gen consoles are powerful enough to do ray-tracing at NATIVE 4K@60FPS. (I was shocked when I saw ray-traced reflections on Clank while the game was running at native 4K on the PS5. I initially had way lower expectations when it came to ray-tracing for next-gen, but that R&C trailer changed everything for me) The reason I think we’re seeing games run at 30FPS when RT is enabled, is because I don’t think most devs’ game engines are ready for next-gen just yet. You still have devs figuring out the hardware while also building tools for their engines for next-gen. I think in 2-3 years, when game engines evolve and are fully next-gen ready, we’ll start seeing games with ray-traced effects running at 4K@60FPS.
 
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pasterpl

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Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?
 
I have said numerous times that the difference in power isn't really going to be obvious in the image on the screen, but we are talking about subtle differences in the architecture, and from my point of view, it's interesting to see the difference in approach and how that will effect one console against the other.
Basically nitpicking.
It all seems pretty simple to me. Both companies come to the same conclusion, but different ways of doing it. Why? With Microsoft, you get a more traditional approach, they don't really care if you're gaming on Series X, Lockheart, or PC, they just want you in the Microsoft ecosystem. Sony on the other hand, especially when it comes to their hardware, built the PS5 not just for next-gen gaming, but for their future PSVR2 headset. There's still some things we don't know about the PS5 hardware (some ways Series X too), but Sony is keeping it close to their chest, because, if I were a betting man, I'd say it has a lot to do with maximizing VR potential. Overall, Microsoft is powerful and traditional approach, while Sony, also powerful, but more bespoke for VR.
 

SleepDoctor

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Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?



Wait wait.... so Tim Sweeney is a Sony "shill"???? Am i doing it right?

Thats been obvious forever. But remember the consensus here is only ms pays for shills, reviews, articles , and etc. Everything is done for Sony for free cuz its out of love.
 

Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?

That is BIG BOY boardroom shit right here. That is a different battle behind the scenes. Tencent are no joke. Its going to be behind the scene shit we wont see for a while. Again what has this got to with MS?? They are not tied to Sony. MS are buying WB studios remember. Gaming has been a key business for Sony a very long time, very long time. Before MS was on the scene. Whats next MS builds camera's rivalling Sonys. Stop tying them together.
 
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Nah. Let's be real here.
For whatever reason Sony ended up with a 36 CU GPU. Be that because of back compat or they were looking at launching in 2019.
Because of this they found themselves with a console that was behind the XSX in power levels, and so we're only left with increasing clocks to close the power gap. That led to other issues they needed to solve such as thermal and power.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that Sony went in to this gen with the goal of using variable clocks from the outset.

I think Sony have done a good job to get to where they have.
I don't know about this, dude. Consoles take years to develop, and the idea that Sony in response to Series X just decided to ramp up the clocks and do a redesign of the entire cooling system is an enormous stretch. Also, AMD's SmartShift, has already been proven to increase performance. People are missing out on two important things here. First off, the potential on actual game design due to the PS5's SSD and I/O performance is much greater than a higher CU count. Secondly, it's probably a lot to do with VR on why Sony went with their choice of hardware.
 

ksdixon

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Probably good to share it here, it is kind of relevant. Wondering what MS have to say about this?

How is this relevant towards PS customers? Genuine question, I don't understand the significance. Is this to do with the UE5 engine, or in-game deals like HZD outfits for Fortnight etc.
 
How is this relevant towards PS customers? Genuine question, I don't understand the significance. Is this to do with the UE5 engine, or in-game deals like HZD outfits for Fortnight etc.

This has nothing to do with PS fans. This is boardroom big boy stuff. You know corporate shit where they invest in multiple companies to make back money from company X's products. Corporation's also invest in companies to gut parts they want or buy them outright. Not really much in it for PS fans. Do people even know Tencent are 40% share holders in Epic.

What will be interesting to see is Sweeney's tweet replies. Going to be a good read.
 
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