Support NeoGAF

[sircaw]

Nothing so far looks better than Demon's Souls. On top of very high environmental, model and texture detail, light, volumetric smoke, haze, motion blur and particles are used to give an incredible level of depth to the scene. That game looks like CGI in a very strict sense of the term, because it uses a lot of visual techniques that until now were basically impossible outside of CGI for something with this baseline level of detail.

Returnal looks like a current-gen game with all the settings turned to maximum and a good overall visual design. But the scene and the light are still very flat in comparison.

all i know is i see eye candy everywhere, these shots are all so beautiful.

 

[ethomaz]

... damn it, Odium.

Damn it.

He is becoming even and even more shameless lol

PS. Ohhh he blocked me again lol

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

Many updtaes lately. Good sign.

 

[duhmetree]

So have we seen anything on next gen to rival this Lamp from The Order 1886.

What are they working on now?

 

[FunkMiller]

Here we go again. Delaying the console talk has no basis whatsoever. The initial allocation has flown off the shelves. People want it.

Jesus Christ, it’s like people just plain forget how to read when they come on here. Go look up the meaning of the phrase ‘if that turns out to be the case’. I‘m not suggesting delaying the console, I’m suggesting a hypothetical situation which may never come to pass. Whoa fanboy, whoa!

 

[Nikana]

What are they working on now?

 

[xacto]

Just how juicy can we get.

About yay juicy...

 

[Great Hair]

??? I think your calculation is wrong.
Wasn't AC Origins 49GiB in size?
4:25 => 265s
(265 / 49) * 200 => 18,...
so it is about 18 minutes. Not 40.

"40min to backup 200GB/Warfare and copy over another 200GB game"
You have to copy back, next time or another game you might be interested.

In short:
get the nvme expansion card, forget about game copying over games all the time via USB.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Nope, just another day in the office for Phil Spencer.

Phil's many switcharoos aren't surprising, but the fact that many consciously decide to still revere him is disturbing.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Bo gone, the coo coo dev back on the conversation. What is going on here, Gaf?

 

[Orky]

I'm pretty convinced at this stage that Msft know they don't have much to launch the XSX with, and have known this for quite some time. They are going to hang the near future on GamePass, 3rd party, and BC, knowing full well that they will be able to properly respond to Sony's output in eighteen months to a year.

If this turns out to be the case, there will be questions as to why they didn't delay the launch of the console, but they've obviously number crunched, and decided that they can easily get through this rather lean period, with the promise of much more to come.

Weirdly, this is directly the opposite of two generations ago, when 360 was the better console out of the blocks, and it took Sony quite a while to catch up.

XBox could still have some big news to announce of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was just about it for the time being - with GamePass and third party being what keeps the fanbase happy.

lol. They have games from four generations and plenty of big third party games are coming out at launch.
Not everyone - especially outside of neogaf - gives a shit about if a game is exclusive to nextgen or not. Seriously.

If we look at how many games are OPTIMIZED for PS5 and XSX then I would say that Xbox has much much more games ready at launch.

 

[Garani]

Reported!!

Give me another cat!

 

[sircaw]

About yay juicy...

You can go to hell, i know whats below that squeeze, i know your game. I know what your hinting at.

Leave my kind alone.

 

[Allandor]

"40min to backup 200GB/Warfare and copy over another 200GB game"
You have to copy back, next time or another game you might be interested.

In short:
get the nvme expansion card, forget about game copying over games all the time via USB.

ah, ok ^^ somehow I missed that part but still ... the internal nvme has faster write speeds, so we land at 30minutes ... which is still a long time. Copying games are the new loading times.
Would be great if Sony & MS add a copy mode, where you can start the game after the first few gigs and play while it get's copied. Something like they do when you are downloading a game.

And use an external SSD (as cheap as possible) for BC games, so you don't need to copy them. But it get's really chaotic if they get an enhancement patch ....

 

[FranXico]

... damn it, Odium.

Damn it.

Are you surprised?

 

[duhmetree]

WTF is going on with Elden Ring and FROMSOFTWARE>?

Sekiro release 18months ago. No updates on Elden Ring...

Are they having development issues? Allegedly development started in early 2017... Going on 4 years... Didn't Bloodborne only take 2.5 years?

I'm jonesin here

 

[xacto]

You can go to hell, i know whats below that squeeze, i know your game. I know what your hinting at.

Leave my kind alone.

You gotta be juicy before I move on to you, little fish

 

[Garani]

You can go to hell, i know whats below that squeeze, i know your game. I know what your hinting at.

Leave my kind alone.

I think I'll get something to eat tonight

 

[Codexer]

 

[JonnyMP3]

~That rat smelling xacto has been trying his luck too, he is down to his last couple of lives. dirty fleabag needs to be spade.
Either will do if i am honest, the one from the surgery or the one from my tool-shed, i am not fussy when it comes to the spade option on these overgrown rodents.

And yes lol, WELCOME BACK. somethings never change.

I've noticed.
And the ban list is..... Wow!
R.I.P.

Still... I'm not sure I deserve an Xbox Series S this xmas. I haven't been naughty.



Much

 

[sircaw]

I think I'll get something to eat tonight

I hope its Blowfish and the chef does not know how to prepare it properly.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

 

[Kagero]

Sounds and looks interesting. But I don’t know about starting from the beginning every time I die.... are new games becoming brutal due to Souls games popularity?

This to me sounds like a third person Hades, which if true, Is an amazing thing!

 

[sircaw]

I've noticed.
And the ban list is..... Wow!
R.I.P.

Still... I'm not sure I deserve an Xbox Series S this xmas. I haven't been naughty.



Much

you need to be a serial killer to get one of those under your tree.

Don't ban me Mod of War , please.

 

[SlimySnake]

WTF is going on with Elden Ring and FROMSOFTWARE>?

Sekiro release 18months ago. No updates on Elden Ring...

Are they having development issues? Allegedly development started in early 2017... Going on 4 years... Didn't Bloodborne only take 2.5 years?

I'm jonesin here

It's a brand new ip. A fully open world game.

Bloodborne, Dark souls and sekiro are basically the same type of game with different combat and enemies. The level design is identical and over ten years they got really efficient making those kind of games.

Elden ring is their witcher 3. Fully open world. Their engine most likely had to be redone.

 

[mejin]

Finally I'll see what's so good about Vampyr.

 

[Zathalus]

Speaking about good look next-gen games, I wonder if Microsoft is going to have a surprise launch release of Microsoft Flight Simulator on the XSX. It's certainly powerful enough to run at 4k30FPS at a mixture of high/ultra settings.

It would basically set the bar for next-gen games on consoles.

Would be odd if they don't.

 

[sircaw]

Finally I'll see what's so good about Vampyr.

After becoming the No1 twilight fan in the world i am down for a little blood.

Whoever recommended that series to me, you know who you are, you can burn in hell.

 

[Games Dean]

Dude its a fan poster with the ps4 kratos model lol

and no, sony has not confirmed if its a ps5 exclusive. the fact that they havent likely means its not.

You keep saying this yet we have someone who's reliable saying you're wrong. Don't know if you have me on ignore or just don't want to acknowledge something that goes against your narrative, but I'll share this with you again. Ahmad is one of the most consistent analyst/insiders and he says it's a PS5 exclusive

 

[Killer Sakoman]

WTF is going on with Elden Ring and FROMSOFTWARE>?

Sekiro release 18months ago. No updates on Elden Ring...

Are they having development issues? Allegedly development started in early 2017... Going on 4 years... Didn't Bloodborne only take 2.5 years?

I'm jonesin here

They announced it too early. I don't think they even passed pre production.
I hate when companies announce games this early. This reminds me of Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[user1337]

Ta! Haven't played either, so will give them a go.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

He has me blocked now

 

[ZippDude]

He has me blocked now

You too?! He blocked me when I replied to your tweet.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Lol so now the Xbox will be able to stream assets faster than the PS5

 

[Falc67]

Nothing so far looks better than Demon's Souls. On top of very high environmental, model and texture detail - light, volumetric smoke, haze, motion blur and particles are used to give an incredible level of depth to the scene. That game looks like CGI in a very strict sense of the term, because it uses a lot of visual techniques that until now were basically impossible outside of CGI for something with this baseline level of detail.

Returnal looks like a current-gen game with all the settings turned to maximum and a good overall visual design. But the scene and the light are still very flat in comparison.

I completely agree with this. the more I watch of Demon Souls the more impressed I am.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Nobody needs to downplay xbox. They do it to themselves. 1 year hyping 12TF,Raytracing,Velociraptor. End result

Whats there to discuss?? More waiting? Im a sports guy first. I don't do these ,maybe & Ifs.You are only as good as your last performance. What is there to talk about Xbox?? It has no next gen games. Everything is patch in later ,now its wait til 2023. And now its back to wait till next E3. Xbox guys just waited a whole gen & now its more wait and see. I can't be discussing more waiting. It is ridiculous now.

We are not upset, but... how to say it... you are s$I£ talking right now, not making arguments. I have my preferences on the technical approach as do all people with an opinion, but neither design is shitty, cheap, or to be derided.

There have been threads worth of TONS of HW stuff to talk about, but it is difficult to genuinely start on that when people just reject it out straight like this.

We can talk about the Xbox HW and why SSD’s in consoles are not your typical PC implementation till the cows come home and you may dislike the marketing words added on top of it, but when your distaste for them wears off you will find hard to get a £449 PC with comparable performance without things such as RAM ballooning up well over 16 GB and still a large initial load for starters (why do you think nVIDIA is jumping on the Direct Storage train if it is all fake hype? Are you seriously convinced / read none of the available research [quoted by both MS and Sony... big difference is one company directed more R&D dollars to the GPU in form of wider and higher number crunching power and the other on a more performance I/O setup with a very low CPU overhead and low latency and the rest in designing a high clocking system that would also be quite clever at managing power consumption and ”energy budget” across CPU and GPU upending normal frequency and power management approaches]).

 

[Allandor]

Ratchet & Clank won't have a native 4k30 mode. Only dynamic 4k30 and a performance mode that targets 60fps

Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart Will Run at Dynamic 4K Resolution, Targets 60 FPS For Performance Mode

Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart will run at a dynamic 4K resolution with HDR on the PS5. It also targets 60 FPS in performance mode.

twistedvoxel.com

That's .... quite unexpected. I really expected a 4k30 and dynamic 1440p-4k 60 (e.g. without RT) mode. At least for a title so close to the launch.

 

[ethomaz]

You too?! He blocked me when I replied to your tweet.

First he blocked me because I put the correct info in reply in his twitter.
After he unblocked me for whatever reason (I did not realize I was unblocked for weeks).
So he read I saying he unblocked me for whatever reason in that own thread.
He blocked me again.

So just posting about him in this thread will trigger his block finger.

PS. I know you are reading it.

 

[Vae_Victis]

Hey, remember this everybody?

Spoiler: screenshot in case the Tweet is deleted

What do you think we will get from him today?

A) Silence
B) Weak excuses
C) Some fake sideways blurry screenshot of a picture with "All PS1, PS2 and PS3 games are playable on PS Now from September 30!" written on it
D) Actual backwards compatibility (in spite of all logic, probability and possibly physics itself, in regards to the PS5 reading CDs)

 

[yewles1]

I/O coprocessors?..

Details on I/O Complex once more... *time stamped*

 

[FranXico]

He has me blocked now

You didn't miss out on anything new. He thinks that the PS5 extra speed only helps with loading in bulk, but XSX will be better at streaming data somehow.

 

[FranXico]

Hey, remember this everybody?

Spoiler: screenshot in case the Tweet is deleted

What do you think we will get from him today?

A) Silence
B) Weak excuses
C) Some fake sideways blurry screenshot of a picture with "All PS1, PS2 and PS3 games are playable on PS Now from September 30!" written on it
D) Actual backwards compatibility (in spite of all logic, probability and possibly physics itself, in regards to the PS5 reading CDs)

 

[zubairali2]

Hey, remember this everybody?

Spoiler: screenshot in case the Tweet is deleted

What do you think we will get from him today?

A) Silence
B) Weak excuses
C) Some fake sideways blurry screenshot of a picture with "All PS1, PS2 and PS3 games are playable on PS Now from September 30!" written on it
D) Actual backwards compatibility (in spite of all logic, probability and possibly physics itself, in regards to the PS5 reading CDs)

this is some good content right here lol

 

[xacto]

After becoming the No1 twilight fan in the world i am down for a little blood.

Whoever recommended that series to me, you know who you are, you can burn in hell.

The fact that "someone" recommended you the Twilight series and you LAPPED IT UP LIKE IT WAS SHAKESPEARE!!! right? that doesn't exonerate you AT ALL, my aquatic friend.

Vampyr isn't bad at all, if you get used to its camera controls, you kind of have to fight the directional sticks, no matter what settings you use for them. But all in all, not a bad game.

 

[ethomaz]

You didn't miss out on anything new. He thinks that the PS5 extra speed only helps with loading in bulk, but XSX will be better at streaming data somehow.

Because the Velocity Architecture marketing...

 

[Nickolaidas]

Are you surprised?

... disappointed, I guess.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

I completely agree with this. the more I watch of Demon Souls the more impressed I am.

And its the beginning.

Im already seeing UED5 permanece level at dynamic/reconstructed 4k (1440/1900p) at 60fps with ease

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Ratchet & Clank won't have a native 4k30 mode. Only dynamic 4k30 and a performance mode that targets 60fps

Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart Will Run at Dynamic 4K Resolution, Targets 60 FPS For Performance Mode

Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart will run at a dynamic 4K resolution with HDR on the PS5. It also targets 60 FPS in performance mode.

twistedvoxel.com

That's .... quite unexpected. I really expected a 4k30 and dynamic 1440p-4k 60 (e.g. without RT) mode. At least for a title so close to the launch.

I think they might have worded it incorrectly. Don’t see why the game won’t hit 4k30fps, perhaps ray tracing is too expensive on the GPU and thus a dynamic 4K option.

 

[Orky]

Ratchet & Clank won't have a native 4k30 mode. Only dynamic 4k30 and a performance mode that targets 60fps

Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart Will Run at Dynamic 4K Resolution, Targets 60 FPS For Performance Mode

Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart will run at a dynamic 4K resolution with HDR on the PS5. It also targets 60 FPS in performance mode.

twistedvoxel.com

That's .... quite unexpected. I really expected a 4k30 and dynamic 1440p-4k 60 (e.g. without RT) mode. At least for a title so close to the launch.

wait. What? The 30fps version is not locked at 4k native. Weird.
What res will the performance mode be then?

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Hey, remember this everybody?

Spoiler: screenshot in case the Tweet is deleted

What do you think we will get from him today?

A) Silence
B) Weak excuses
C) Some fake sideways blurry screenshot of a picture with "All PS1, PS2 and PS3 games are playable on PS Now from September 30!" written on it
D) Actual backwards compatibility (in spite of all logic, probability and possibly physics itself, in regards to the PS5 reading CDs)

 

[LiquidRex]

What are they working on now?

I think they work for Facebook now