Dibils2k
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i mean if you play on a monitor then yeah 1440p would be good enough, not on 55"+ TVs though
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Zoro7
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I mean 1080P games look good enough on my 4k tv.
MasterCornholio
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I actually have a 4K monitor not a 1440P one.
Dave_at_Home
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Pretty much what I was thinking. Lots of people misunderstood what he was saying so they assumed PS5 dOwNcLOcKs. There's a difference between running at max frequency and max load. Any hardware running max load will eventually have to downclock which certainly includes Series X.
Also, from the looks of it, seems PS5 has better overall cooling than Series X to begin with. Big boy console for big boy cooling.
DaGwaphics
Member
Well, no one said it's totally RDNA1, it's custom, both are. But everyone went with a direction, and PS5 seems inline with RDNA2 with leaks of better custom RT and Geometry Engines, along with the exclusive GPU cash scrubbers. 10 days
Better custom RT you say, on the silicone?
MasterCornholio
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Plus there's the misunderstanding on what smart shift actually does. When the GPU is under stress and requires more power it can get it from the CPU if the CPU has power to spare.
ToadMan
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Sorry, but this is a ridiculously naive idea.
You may - yes May - get genuine objective accuracy (truth if you wish to call it that) in a scientific setting. A peer reviewed journal for example.
Beyond that, for big business and certainly tech, everything is about presentation to generate revenue and profits.
The companies that weren’t good at that are out of business.
I remember a senior IBM computer scientist saying “when people ask me what industry I work in, I tell them it’s the fashion industry”.
Right now the fashion is cloud computing and recurring licenses in things like gamepass and PS now. There’s computing power and tthe promise of experiences not possible on a competitions devices.
These aren’t new ideas - they’re just recycled for this “season”.
Hot chips is controlled by marketing just as much as Cerny’s thing was, just as much as the Xsex YouTuber marketing just as much as Sony bringing youtubers to their offices.
The only way you’ll differentiate all this is by understanding the tech and being able to determine for yourself what truth you prefer.
If you can’t do that, you’ll have to wait until you get your hands on the console for yourself.
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Bo_Hazem
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Demon Souls is at 1440P yet it doesn't look like it to me. Whatever reconstruction they are doing it's working pretty well for the game.
Credit toBo_Hazem for the capture.
It's not 1440p, it's not fucking 1440p! A clown at DF that had no idea and blatantly lying/guessing 1440p is being taken like holy words. It's too 4K to most so-called 4K games shown on other platforms, it's just on another level. Is it reconstructed? We don't fucking know, no one knows but Bluepoint and Sony. So unless you have something official, please drop this BS with all due respect.
It's fidelity mode and framerates mode.
And here, this is the better version of that framerates mode screenshot:
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geordiemp
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We have seen better RT on Sony games so far, and RT has a big performance cost, so posters are fine to speculate why there is a void so far (we await Ubisoft but i would not place all my eggs in that basket).
Whats your thoughts , instead of challenging others ?
I dont buy the DX12 api not ready / emulation argument, Nvidia did not have issues with the new cards, bet AMD dont either, and DX12 is not exacttly new.
Also when you type silicon, I keep reading chest enlagement
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MasterCornholio
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It's not 1440p, it's not fucking 1440p! A clown at DF that had no idea and blatantly lying/guessing 1440p is being taken like holy words. It's too 4K to most so-called 4K games shown on other platforms, it's just on another level. Is it reconstructed? We don't fucking no, no one knows but Bluepoint and Sony, so unless you have something official, please drop this BS with all due respect.
It's fidelity mode and framerates mode.
And here, this is the better version of that framerates mode screenshot:
I wasn't talking about the 4K 30FPs mode with RT btw.
Just going with what Digital Foundry says until we get official confirmation that's all.
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ToadMan
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I got that reference.
Although this talk of 1080 UI on Xsex seems like history repeating itself ....
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Bo_Hazem
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Just like cache scrubbers, exclusive, won't be implemented on RDNA2. Still, more to see in a few days confirming/debunking stuff.
DaGwaphics
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Not challenging others at all. Was just pondering the idea out loud.
Dibils2k
Member
but smaller the size the more it can tolerate lower res content
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I know, DF is just throwing FUD. It's FUD if not scientifically proven. Imagine calling Halo Infinite 720p on XSX because VRS gimped a big chunk of the screen?
It could be a new advanced AI image reconstruction. This is what's official so far:
- Stunning visuals: See the dark, gritty world of Demon’s Souls come to life on the PS5 console with beautifully enhanced visuals. Players can choose between two graphics modes while playing Demon’s Souls: 4K Mode (play in 4K resolution2) and High Frame Rate Mode (play with a higher targeted frame rate.)
Demon's Souls | PS5 Games | PlayStation
Get Demon's Souls on PS5. Get the latest news, screenshots, trailers and more on the official PlayStation website.
www.playstation.com
Meaning it'll sacrifice 4K (dynamic) when needed, and grass is lower res if you view closely, and lower/non use of RT.
That's what's official, we stick with that until we see hard evidence or told by Bluepoint/Sony. Sacrificing RT alone could easily guarantee double the framerates, while it still may have RT at 4K@60fps just like GT7.
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ToadMan
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TLDR: A dram-less SSD can have reduced lifespan.
DeltaPolarBear
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After losing two laptop HDDs in the span of a year, i coughed up the money for an SSD. A cheap one, but still it is lasting longer than HDDs so far. Moving parts just are inherently dying faster.
Sorry if this has already been posted, too many pages on this thread, but this seemed relevant:
These tweets are part of the mega-thread around the KittyYYuko leak thread.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
This is now excuse to keep repeating this garbage nonsense.
Why wait when you can stop now?
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ToadMan
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I don’t disagree at all.
The article I was referring to (from Tomshardware) suggested that a dram-less SSD will instead write small amounts of data more often to the SSD, and that will reduce the lifespan.
Rather alarmingly the article suggested TLC nand could expire in a little over a year (avoiding the warranty claim) and that some companies put this type of SSD in their machines to reduce cost while avoiding warranty claims.
I’m sure you’ve not cheaped out too much on your SSD though so you should be fine
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MasterCornholio
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Hmm maybe you should game on a monitor instead since 4K is really only standard on PCs. I mean both my One X and Pro look great on my monitor. Could be a good idea if you did the same.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Maybe but we don't know the full picture as are either console using 'Infinity cache' like solution that is heavily rumoured to be in RDNA2 graphics cards? That allows for less bandwidth without losing as much performance.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Speculation/Analysis/Leaks Thread
Also credible sources are reporting it. Stick around for the fun.
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Empire Strikes Back
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Can’t you see the XSX is doing the heavy job of mopping the floor? /s
MasterCornholio
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Interesting that he says this. However this could all just be BS to get playstation fans hopes up. It's not like we haven't had that kind of thing before.
Anyways I'm just happy this is going to be over soon for the most part.
sircaw
Banned
Agreed, I've asked him if it's speculation, or if he has a source.
RedgamingTech has a video up on the XSX RDNA1 leak, so will be interested to see his analysis on that.
Obviously both companies had very different goals for this new gen, both rational from their point of views. Looking forward to getting the low down on RDNA2 and at some point detail on PS5's SOC, so we can get a better insight into why both went the ways they did - fascinating stuff.
RedgamingTech has a video up on the XSX RDNA1 leak, so will be interested to see his analysis on that.
Obviously both companies had very different goals for this new gen, both rational from their point of views. Looking forward to getting the low down on RDNA2 and at some point detail on PS5's SOC, so we can get a better insight into why both went the ways they did - fascinating stuff.
MasterCornholio
Member
It's Just beginning.
You mean the Digital Foundry fueled battles?
I agree with that but at least we should end alot of the crazy speculation.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
The PS5 version is leaked, unofficial. So we better wait for an official one.
DMC5 is running with RT on PS5, with no RT on XSX so far for example. It's all over the place, with PS5 having the same or better version so far, but FPS comparisons gonna be interesting, very interesting.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I'm not coming down on this on either side, but remember those strange rumours that Sony and AMD were working together to create Navi:
Sources: AMD Created Navi For Sony's PlayStation 5, Vega Suffered
Sources reveal not only that the PS5 uses Navi graphics, but nearly 2/3 of AMD's engineering resources were devoted to the task.
www.forbes.com
Forbes said:
Interesting, this is all the way back in June 2018 remember.
Dibils2k
Member
nah i find small displays lack immersion and also i wanna play on my comfy couch
thanks for you concern though
MasterCornholio
Member
What about hooking a PC to your TV? You can still game on a controller that's how I do my gaming on PC.
Dibils2k
Member
i tried that early this gen, just doesnt work aswell, gave up on it after a year, was one of my worst purchasing decisions. wasnt a total waste though as i atleast got to play witcher 3 at 1080p/60fps
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Played all AC games since the beginning. I'm a big fan. They shifted to this new RPG BS, but still great games. Might pick it up later after Spiderman MM and other games.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Last few pages we are back at it with which console is better rhetoric. It'd be better if we save the energy for that debate once when both console launch along with the third party multiplatform games. Until then lets stick to how an upcoming awesome xyz game looks on an xyz platform
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I'm not coming down on this on either side, but remember those strange rumours that Sony and AMD were working together to create Navi:
Sources: AMD Created Navi For Sony's PlayStation 5, Vega Suffered
Sources reveal not only that the PS5 uses Navi graphics, but nearly 2/3 of AMD's engineering resources were devoted to the task.
Interesting, this is all the way back in June 2018 remember.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
What's another example?
Moridianae
Member
This is too much techno-babble for me. I really don't understand what's going on these last few pages.
For a layman, am I to infer that the current rumors is that PS5 utilizes more advanced technology than the XsX? Something like that? It's weaker, but not neccesarily because of the things it has from RDNA2 supposedly?
For a layman, am I to infer that the current rumors is that PS5 utilizes more advanced technology than the XsX? Something like that? It's weaker, but not neccesarily because of the things it has from RDNA2 supposedly?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
2K21, COD, Avengers will all have RT, not yet for XSX. COD/2K21 showed it, xbox took PS5 2K21 gameplay and used it as "next gen build" in their channel instead of showing it running on XSX.
It's gonna be a rough ride, fasten your belts.
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MasterCornholio
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Well if your going to hook up a PC to a 4K TV you have to make sure it's powerful enough to output your games at 4K. At least with PC you can get a guarantee of that but with consoles your limited by whatever resolution the developers want to give you.
I'm mostly picking up a PS5 for the exclusives and the much quicker I/O but I know it won't handle everything at 4K.
Mr. PlayStation
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Xbox pretty much uploaded the PS5 trailer but asked 2K to remove the "This has been captured from PS5" and rename that to this has been captured from next gen. Same goes to COD Cold War Xbox trailer.
MasterCornholio
Member
Could it be just because of a marketing deal that there's only the PS5 version available?
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Are you trolling, aren't you? I wonder when people will realize that TF aren't the best metric for this shit. I guess you missed Mark Cerny's Road to PS5, please watch it.The console with an inferior GPU, a slower CPU, lower memory bandwidth and is larger is now better thought out and developed
Looking at the power supply and the fact the PS5 has to downclock at a certain power threshold, a point a lot of people are conveniently forgetting, I'd be pretty surprised if the XSX isn't also cooler and quieter on top.
This generation is nothing like previous generations, we are not talking having a magical chip like CELL or just mid/low range GPUs with awful laptop CPUs. We are talking innovation from both sides. What you reduce to 'has to downclock at a certain power' is something extremely untold of on console: variable frequencies.
What Cerny is doing with those variable frequencies is getting more compute with a smaller (and probably cheaper) chip, which is what everyone should strive for: more with less. Not only the PS5 had a lot of tought on how to make these changes in frequencies deterministic, they are also visible to the devs. Developers are not working with a fucking black box and trying to figure out if their games will run at X, Y or Z frequency, like many people think the PS5 will downclock like a PC card.
If Cerny's approach proves to be good and doable (spoiler: We already know it is! Just look at PS5 games), this is the future for this industry. 2GHz base clocks is something unheard of on cards, but now we are getting a 2.23GHz console!! If you really want to downplay that, go ahead. Just please don't imply the PS5 isn't the better thought or developed console, because just for this fundamental change in clockspeed, it is the most engineered console in the room.
Make this thought experiment, you go to the engineers at Microsoft and make the following offer:
Do you want a smaller chip that can give you more compute 99% of the time and when the 1% situation comes you will know how to circumvent that, do you want the chip?
Do you want a cooling system that was developed for 2 years and has the same performance of a vapour chamber but for a fraction of its price?
If Xbox is what floats your boat, enjoy it mate. Just don't downplay the PS5 like it is a piece of electronic trash because some numbers are smaller.
Hardware is created by programmers.I'm not coming down on this on either side, but remember those strange rumours that Sony and AMD were working together to create Navi:
Sources: AMD Created Navi For Sony's PlayStation 5, Vega Suffered
Sources reveal not only that the PS5 uses Navi graphics, but nearly 2/3 of AMD's engineering resources were devoted to the task.
Interesting, this is all the way back in June 2018 remember.
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Insane Metal
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I don't believe this for a second.
Also, who is this and why should it be taken seriously?
MasterCornholio
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That could explain Sonys strange silence over their GPU. Or maybe they just don't want to talk about it because it's inferior.
I guess that AMD event will clear this up.
Edit: I just read through Digital Foundrys hot chips analysis and they did confirm the CUs to be RDNA2 ones.
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