MaulerX
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CES 2020. AMD will have their keynote to introduce RDNA 2.0 and Phil Spencer has been heavily rumored to be on stage with Lisa.
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CES 2020. AMD will have their keynote to introduce RDNA 2.0 and Phil Spencer has been heavily rumored to be on stage with Lisa.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Like I say I take "insiders" info at face value (mainly because I'm no expert) and am willing to hear Tommy's retort to Proelite's claim.
Also most "insiders" don't actually know what they are looking at & can only tell you the PR info that they see.
the one's that understand most likely are not on the internet telling people about the specs.
but we get lucky sometimes when someone just post the specs directly
Mass Shift
Member
Tommy Fisher RIP in peace 2019-2019 ⚰
He's not alone. They're all full of it.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
One of the biggest frustrations over the years has been exactly this! It is never someone with tech knowledge that gets leaked info.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Most people that actually have info:
A. Wont be through the process of getting verified because burning real sources not worth the risk to have some "fame" on forums.
B. Those who do usually aren't believed on said forums anyhow so why bother.
A. Wont be through the process of getting verified because burning real sources not worth the risk to have some "fame" on forums.
B. Those who do usually aren't believed on said forums anyhow so why bother.
Darius87
Member
blue guys tweet, rdna whitepaper tells same thing(me to) so either it's right or it's wrong everyone with a brain knows it's right because tommy wasn't clever enough to check rdna cache levels, and got spec from his fake ass insiders and he was doing that same thing 100 pages before, let's hope it's ended.
SmokSmog
Member
RDNA2 info and ZEN3 glimpse + Microsoft ?
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
these days you will see many try to give something from nothing just like gaming channels in YouTube they all full of lies , they know nothing other than the same talks over the years " PS5 will have many games " " Xbox will blow ur mind " and so on .... I'm just waiting for E3 2020 to come and clear the way
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
CAN'T WAIT!
Norse
Member
Would be sweet
The ninja farmer
Member
well done you
. hope it makes you feel good about yourself there. I get the feeling you deserve it 
maybe, just a suggestion That getting so worked up about a supposed/fake insider and that 17 pages into a white paper there is information that goes against what they have said. About as yet unreleased GPU architecture, isn’t the way forward
perhaps kicking back, chillin and having a few laughs might be a better way forward (than calling strangers on the internet ‘liars’). Whilst we all wait to enjoy the potential awesome new consoles
and letting some just speculate a bit(I’m not big on the ‘leak of the day’, but for others it’s just all part of the game. Even if sometimes they are genuine, fake or somewhere in Between)
Rightisright
Banned
I am referring to someone coming onto any forum and saying they have inside knowedge of specs and people jumping onto what they say because it backs up their confirmation bias. Its hardly something to hang your hat on.I think you might be on to something
But then you miss all the fun from when he gets called out (and from the tears and crows when specs finally come out)
Well that's my point? I wasn't even arguing which is more powerful, i was talking about the nonsensical of the gonzalo leak believers putting both machines in the 8/9tf power envelope, or putting only the PS5 to say that it's 'going to be trounced' by the X series,... remember 'Arcturus'!?
Nah I'm pretty sure it's cheap red wine
That shit gets you inspired!
And where do those random internet sites you have quoted go to get their 'information' this far from launch, and with the people in the 'know' full of NDAs? Never mind i tell you, it's on the internet forums where 'random' guys, who may actually have sources, post. If you're talking about windows central, that by the way isn't a random internet site, I'm pretty sure those were 'vetted' ms leaks.
Fake edit: Just to get things clear, and get something out of my head _ this buzz between my ears that's starting to get really annoying _ when you say 'those random on a internet forum' you are referring to forums in general.... Or just this one?
I think we will only know when the correct CU count and clocks are released.
Even with MS saying the XSX is double the XBOX One X power, is that double the 6 tflops or is this allowing for RDNA efficiencies?
To much smoke and mirrors and conflicting rumours to say anything is fact at this point.
All we have is our opinions and guesses.
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megreotsugua
Banned
With Tommy out, ReRAM is still in the game.
Darius87
Member
is it wrong to call out person who lies or pretends to have something which he doesn't? i doesn't make me feel better or worse.well done you
i know RDNA 1.0 arch and RDNA 2.0 Ray-tracing whitepapers very well, so it's very easy for me to spot falsely claims it's not worked up at all.
arch is released it's just verion 1.0 if you think it's gonna be totaly different then it's not! as name suggest as you can see.
the problem with tommy he's not speculating but says he has insiders and can't reveal, so there's big differences.perhaps kicking back, chillin and having a few laughs might be a better way forward (than calling strangers on the internet ‘liars’). Whilst we all wait to enjoy the potential awesome new consoles
megreotsugua
Banned
Doesn't this sound like an SSD used as cache where game data sit uncompressed (or with very little compression)?
Or does it sound more like a separate secondary decompression chip?
SSD bandwidth may not be the bottleneck. Decompression of compressed data is very demanding and is currently the bottleneck to loading.
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megreotsugua
Banned
SSD bandwidth may not be the bottleneck. Decompression of compressed data is very demanding and is currently the bottleneck to streaming large amount of data.
At loadtime, it will not be a problem as the 8 core CPUs are very powerful. But at runtime, it will be problematic. You don't want that decompression to eat into your CPU cores and bandwidth.
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saintjules
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Currently unknown imo until we see MS or Sony show off games under 2.1. I'm on an LG C8 and will wait to see what kind of difference this will make. I'd wait if you can, otherwise if you're going OLED, maybe next year's model if you're not looking at the C9?
Gamernyc78
Banned
So many ps4 leaks were on point yet everyone was saying "oh these leaks are bs" but low and behold thy were mainly true. I feel it's the same situation now.
Tsaki
Member
The Sony SSD patent has a dedicated hardware decompressor so the main CPU will not be bothered at all with decompressing the data.
ethomaz
Banned
Some old TVs (2018) have firmware to HDMI 2.1 but most company doesn’t care to release a firmware update.
Tenka Musou
Banned
I have a question for those of you who are tech savvy:
- High speed SSD should help with data streaming, but what about with genres like fighting games? In what ways can the high speed storage features of next gen hardware can help with the graphical fidelity in fighting games?
*Excluding stuff like stage transitions and loading screens, I'm talking purely about graphical fidelity.
- High speed SSD should help with data streaming, but what about with genres like fighting games? In what ways can the high speed storage features of next gen hardware can help with the graphical fidelity in fighting games?
*Excluding stuff like stage transitions and loading screens, I'm talking purely about graphical fidelity.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
There is a huge difference. For PS4/Orbis and Xbox One/Durnago there was a huge hack by SuperDae in which Kotaku and VGLeaks then drip fed us info.
Forgive me (it is late and I'm bored) for going down memory lane for a little gaming history.
If you look at the last Kotaku Orbis specs article before the PS4 reveal it will show that they shared some of the info from the 90 PDFs they got from SuperDae but left out the latest SoC/APU dev kit specs (Sony had word or Kotaku didn't want to give it all away?) and instead talked about the old PC-based kit from March 2012 (again) Just look at the VGLeaks article put up the very next day in comparison.
The PlayStation 4 Has A New Controller, Fancy User Accounts And Impressive Specs (So Far)
Last March, we gave you an early look at how the PlayStation 4—code-named Orbis—was shaping up. Nearly a year later, we're about to bring you a clearer, more timely update, including new technical specs and information on an upgrade to Sony's traditional controller design.
kotaku.com
ORBIS Devkits Roadmap/Types
Sony and Microsoft have had a lot of work with Orbis and Durango. Create a new hardware it’s a long running process, you have to build different versions of hardware and make changes along the core until the last version, the closer one to the retail product. We have created an article with...
vgleaks.com
I'm really not surprised we've got nothing from the big gaming/tech sites this time round.
I cannot think of anything that's applicable to small stage games that fit entirely in memory.
Disco_
Member
I see you've been reading Tom Warren's tweets as well/
False.
There is no bottleneck in decompression.
Compressed assets was a method to fight loading times. Faster bandwidth - no need for compression (apart from hw specific in-place formats, like compressed textures).
TLZ
Banned
Maybe keep them compressed to eliminate loads completely.
I haven't seen any Tom Warren tweets
megreotsugua
Banned
I was going by the current bottleneck in PC loading.
If there's no need for compression, where do you store the data? Compression exist to save space. We don't have an infinite amount of SSD/HDD space.
Cache approach would favor no-compression streaming.
V4skunk
Banned
It was also the cheapest at launch...
Also PS3 was more powerful than X360 and out sold it.
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Compression was used in current gen to save hdd bandwidth - decrease loading times. Not space.
Space was overused by needless copying of data multiple times to again save the loading times.
And the Wii was weaker & outsold them both
Zok310
Banned
Bombooclaat*
megreotsugua
Banned
So you expect the games stored on our SSD next-gen are already decompressed? How big of space do you expect our next-gen uncompressed game occupy?
Do you not see a cache approach from where uncompressed data could stream?
xPikYx
Member
Instead of wasting our time speculating on TFlops, CU, memory and all these stuff we don't know and we cannot know about for obvious reason why don't we speculate if that hellblade2 trailer is actually achievable in real time and what next console should have technically to achieve that goal? Because that is what we know and what we should care about, if that is true or a killzone 2.0 wannabe
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Don't some consumer SSDs also have hardware decompressors via onboard MPUs on the SSD? I assume that's mainly with the more high-end ones; those ones also tend to have some DRAM as cache. It wouldn't surprise me if Sony's proprietary solution (if they're indeed using one) would utilize something similar.
...but personally, I hope it is using persistent RAM in lieu of NAND for the storage solution; like I keep saying the pricing is there and optimal, it'd just be between 64GB-128GB max and (preferably) soldered to the board. They could have regular SSDs over M.2 on NVMe PCIe 4.0, no problem.
The Wii also fell off a cliff after 2010 or so unlike any other white-hot popular mainstream console before or since. Also even with all things considered it's likely only ~5 million ahead of PS3 (and maybe ~8 million ahead of 360) LTD.
Really crazy to consider though how that gen didn't really have any losers in terms of total LTD; an anomaly I'd like to see happen more but alas, it doesn't xD.
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megreotsugua
Banned
Persistent RAM can be used as a cache to stream uncompressed data allowing data in and out without friction.
megreotsugua
Banned
If PS5 SSD is 4gb/s, what kind of hardware decompressor are we looking at that could decompress 4gb/s of data in real-time?
SmokSmog
Member
ASIC custom chip
An application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC /ˈeɪsɪk/) is an integrated circuit (IC) chip customized for a particular use, rather than intended for general-purpose use
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megreotsugua
Banned
I wonder how much it can keep up with 4gb/s of data.
I was reading from B3D and I read one comment that a 1gb/s of data could fire up multiple cores of intel cpu.
Can you give a link where I could read about ASIC and how fast an ASIC chip decompressor could go. I suppose decompressing 4gb/s of data is a new territory.
SmokSmog
Member
Intel or AMD cores are multiple purpose, ASIC will always be faster.
Cant give you a link.
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Kazekage1981
Member
"But it's the new SSD that really stands out; essentially streaming will become something that we don't really have to worry so much about and it will free up some extra CPU bandwidth in the process."
Isnt that a huge deal? Freeing up the CPU, or some sort of pre-processing so the CPU can spend more time on hi-fidelity graphics?!! I dont understand these borderline "meh" to 'Debbie downer' statements coming out from game developers. You literally have game changing aspects of Xbox Scarlett and PS5 (besides SSD):
-Fundamental microarchitecture improvements from the shit jaguar CPU and mediocre GPU to Zen 2 and RDNA 2 with Ray Tracing
-GDDR5 to GDDR6 with higher bandwidth and more RAM.
-Advancements to HUMA
-More Compute Units (CU)
-Wifi6 with 10Gps connection speeds
-Variable Refresh Rate Freesync 2 HDMI 2.1
-Updated Graphics API
-Ultra 4k Blu-Ray Disk for more game data
-Other effeciences i cant think of right now
I mean they should be spouting "mind blowing graphics never been possible" or some sort of marketing PR Hype train BS so I can get excited. WTF?!!
Isnt that a huge deal? Freeing up the CPU, or some sort of pre-processing so the CPU can spend more time on hi-fidelity graphics?!! I dont understand these borderline "meh" to 'Debbie downer' statements coming out from game developers. You literally have game changing aspects of Xbox Scarlett and PS5 (besides SSD):
-Fundamental microarchitecture improvements from the shit jaguar CPU and mediocre GPU to Zen 2 and RDNA 2 with Ray Tracing
-GDDR5 to GDDR6 with higher bandwidth and more RAM.
-Advancements to HUMA
-More Compute Units (CU)
-Wifi6 with 10Gps connection speeds
-Variable Refresh Rate Freesync 2 HDMI 2.1
-Updated Graphics API
-Ultra 4k Blu-Ray Disk for more game data
-Other effeciences i cant think of right now
I mean they should be spouting "mind blowing graphics never been possible" or some sort of marketing PR Hype train BS so I can get excited. WTF?!!
megreotsugua
Banned
I don't see how a 4GB/s SSD with a very powerful ASIC decompressor chip could result to a situation stated above. Provided that the worst case scenario is filling up the 20GB of RAM entirely.
Unless:
a. PS5 decompression scheme, ASIC or not, is not powerful enough to do real-time decompression. It also implies that the touted very fast loading times and "no loading times" is achieved through a very well-handled memory management and streaming.
b. PS5 has a huge amount of RAM. How? Maybe DDR4, or maybe, ReRAM.
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It's to early for the hype train to keep it going for such a long time. Also Sony is trying to protect this holiday seasons console sales. Feburary the hype season will begin if Sony sticks to tradition and does specs then. Then they drip information until E3 with the box game, date and price. Microsoft may should be the tech reveal event if going by tradition. Then at E3 games, price and date.
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Bumboclaat**
demigod
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Any games that has wowed you yet? Give us some insider scoops on unannounced games
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