I guess Timdoggydog is the only one to be verified of the @OsirisBlack @CameFromNearFutureTommy Fisher @XcloudTimdog bunch?
Can't say I'm surprised, though.
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XB1X is superior compared to OG XB1 in every single benchmark. Is latency a problem?
There's a reason modern chips have huge caches.
Tommy Fisher
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ٰVerification process is going on
Tommy Fisher
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BTW PSM [2], same date as the first one. mark your calendars.
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Tommy, can you clear up the confusion regarding VRS tiers?
Is Sony going to have an inferior hardware implementation?
TeamGhobad
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Tommy anything about the SSD's? Speed in particular?
TeamGhobad
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New narrative building
MS told third party 10tflops to fool sony. told 1st party 12. DRAMA!
could this be the reason people are saying ps5 is more powerful?
MS told third party 10tflops to fool sony. told 1st party 12. DRAMA!
could this be the reason people are saying ps5 is more powerful?
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bitbydeath
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I think Sonys building a powerhouse for PSVR2. MS doesn’t have those sorts of ambitions.
TeamGhobad
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i still think its a fad. but its been a persistent one.
TLZ
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Hold up. Did you just confirm 2 PS5 versions?
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TeamGhobad
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DJ12
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2 skus at least
You guys need to quit reaching.
Klee confirmed the 12 tflop didn't change anything with his sources.
Ps5 still the better performer, slightly.
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Too slow for HBM.
Kusarigama
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First as in for the first PlayStation(PS1) announcement or the first time official "PlayStation meeting" (which was for PS3 back in 2005, i think) was done by Sony?
Edit: after googling some more, there was a PlayStation meeting in 2002 as well.
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Tommy Fisher
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No, both Prospero and Anaconda have the same VRS implementation afaik.
Not simultaneously
The only thing i can say right now is over twice as fast as Anaconda's SSD. also a pretty good research by gofreak in ResetEra about the possible sony's tech.
PS5 - a patent dive into what might be the tech behind Sony's SSD customisations (technical!)
This will be one for people interested in some potentially more technical speculation. I posted in the next-gen speculation thread, but was encouraged to spin it off into its own thread. I did some patent diving to see if I could dig up any likely candidates for what Sony's SSD solution might...
www.resetera.com
Was it stupid to launch tow versions (500 - 1TB) of base PS4?
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TeamGhobad
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thats an ouchie. 1gb/s -->2gb/s or 2gb/s --> 4gb/s and they are doing this without ReRam...interesting.
Proelite
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Good on Sony to move to DX12.
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What does that mean? DX12 is a Windows exclusive API.
Proelite
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Scarlett will absolutely have DX12 parity.
VRX tier 2 on DX12 is a Microsoft implementation. Saying PS5 will have same implementation of VRS is saying PS5 will have DX12 support.
Possible but improbable.
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TLZ
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Let's give him benefit of the doubt until he's verified. Verification in progress.
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TLZ
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Has he leaked anything?I demand justice forVFXVeteran .
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PS5 GPU 1080-1080TI level compute wise. (That translates to RTX 2070-2080 with RT)
16GB GDDR6
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Nero_PR
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Remember that Sony is famous for having more than one version of the same system. The PS3 Phat versions were 20GB, 40GB, 60GB, 80GB, and 160GB. Not counting that the 80GB and 160GB had more USB ports, and all of then were backward compatible with PS2 discs. Then, Sony decided to cut backward compatibility in their system revision.
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Killroyskbg
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This is from Nvidia w
| Hardware: | Compatible with: Turing based GPUs. (GeForce RTX and Quadro RTX) |
| Software: | Compatible with the following APIs: DX11, DX12, OpenGL, Vulkan. Integration with Unreal Engineand Unity are coming soon |
VRS is not in anyway somehow locked to DX12 and neither will the coming interations it will only be different how API’s implement it.
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VRS tier 2 is a hardware feature, right?
PS5 could support DX12 if it had Windows instead of FreeBSD... it's not a matter of software IMHO.
Either you have the hardware or you don't. Then it's a matter of exposing it via DX12 or GNM API.
Proelite
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He said VRS implementation.
There is no way Sony's and MS's implementation of VRS will be the same.
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And what about HW RT? Aren't they supposed to be the same?
Divergence could hinder 3rd party porting.
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If you want cheap and fast, it's best to go with GDDR6.But cheaper
Proelite
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idk about RT, but MS' implementation of VRS is patented, as they made a point of it in their reveal.
US10235799B2 - Variable rate deferred passes in graphics rendering - Google Patents
Methods and devices for performing pixel shading in graphics processing are described. Multiple primitives of an image can be shaded at one or more variable shading rates. A subset of pixels, in at least one screen-space tile corresponding to a portion of the image, corresponding to samples that...
patents.google.com
Maybe Sony's implementation is even better, but it won't be the same for sure.
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Aceofspades
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Nah, they are not stupid. I imagine they will introduce a discless version (same specs)
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The ninja farmer
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My 2 cents
the VRS implementation on Xbox is supposedly their dx12 feature version
if Nvidia already use tier2, then it’s not an exclusive product and can’t be patented agin
but the implementation is an exclusive feature, in how it’s implemented in dx12 (the key part)
as Long as other companies don’t use it in dx12, then it won’t infringe the patent Microsoft have (or build a similar api, different is allowed thoug)
eg. They can have tier2 VRS, as long as they don’t run it through dx12 or build an api that is fundamentally the same
that’s why Amd can implement their version
the VRS implementation on Xbox is supposedly their dx12 feature version
if Nvidia already use tier2, then it’s not an exclusive product and can’t be patented agin
but the implementation is an exclusive feature, in how it’s implemented in dx12 (the key part)
as Long as other companies don’t use it in dx12, then it won’t infringe the patent Microsoft have (or build a similar api, different is allowed thoug)
eg. They can have tier2 VRS, as long as they don’t run it through dx12 or build an api that is fundamentally the same
that’s why Amd can implement their version
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You still haven't clarified if Tier 2 requires hardware support or if it's a matter of API/driver implementation (yeah, this could be patented just like DX12, but who cares):
PS5 will most likely use GDDR6 but I was replying to someone who said HBM is expensive
Proelite
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YMMV.
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So only nVidia Turing and Microsoft XBOX RDNA2 have hardware support of Tier 2?
AMD PC GPUs (that also run DX12/Windows 10) and Sony RDNA2 have an inferior Tier 1 hardware implementation?
This remains to be seen:
AMD Could Launch Next Generation RDNA 2 GPUs at CES 2020
According to the findings of a Chiphell user called "wjm47196", AMD is supposedly going to host an event at CES 2020 to showcase its next generation of Radeon graphics cards. Having seen huge success with its first-generation "RDNA" GPUs, AMD is expected to showcase improved lineup utilizing new...
Killroyskbg
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We have seen these kinds of things over and over and the results are always the same. As long as the graphic cards are not generations apart and missing key hardware features the implementations of the same rendering techniques they provide but using different API (dx12, Vulcan, Sony’s own) will still be the same.
Just like with the dx12 PR from Microsoft and its fans the implementation on Xbox one, that included SO MUCH features owned and patented by Microsoft Sony would beg to use it or be left behind, in the end did basically nothing at al to the power difference.
There will be no difference in VRS Mark my words both will just use different API that gets the same results.
48086
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so it sounds like the ps5 beats xsx when it comes to ssd speed and gpu.
will the ps5 also have more ram?
TeamGhobad
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you could still be an insider without having any technical knowledge..
it_wasn't_me
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Sony with their own API never supported DX12. It is based on OpenGL. According to devs commentary earlier this gen, PS4 API was much better than DX12.
Just found this on reedit and i could not say it better :
Sony is using it's own, proprietary APIs. On PS4 ist's GNM for low-level and GNMX for a higher level approach, both come with their own shading language (similar to DX11 style HLSL). PS3 had PSGL based on OpenGL ES and NVidia's cg, but afair that's not available on PS4 and wasn't used widely on PS3 anyway.
Being low-level, GNM is similar to Vulkan, but as it's closed source and you won't get access to it unless you're a registered developer for Playstation you may not find much info on this.
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it_wasn't_me
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With this VRS crap. I have a deja vu with story about Xbone and DX12. Just like you said.
Sony has their own API, their own patents, their own stuff. Don't worry, Xbone fans, Sony won't give MS any money for VRS
TeamGhobad
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MS doesn't have monopoly on VRS just their version of it.
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TBiddy
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Shots fired
You should really consider fact checking your stories before running with them.
Here's the original article. Notice the difference?
The Best Looking Games Are on PS4 Thanks to Art Direction Rather Than Power, Says Dev
According to the developer of Erica, the best looking games are on PlayStation 4 thanks to the great art direction, which trumps power.
wccftech.com
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