zaitsu
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Damn. Bo just linked that ninja theory guy. Find another hobby, reading about hardware and trying to understand that isn't your best skill.
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BadBreathOfTheWild
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Did the person from Ninja Theory say it frees up GPU resources too? If so that would mean dedicated audio hardware outside of the GPU, and rules out TrueAudio Next being used for audio processing.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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They will put their anc headphones in boxI think slower 6 ventilators are better than big very high rpm one
It's all about the CFM, baby! The problem you can get with multiple smaller fans is when their vibrations all come in and out of phase with each other and cause the chassis to vibrate and make noise. It will need careful controlling of the RPM of each fan and maybe some kind of system to detect chassis vibration even.
My current gaming PC has 6 fans blowing in, and depending on how the fan controller is adjusted it's possible to have a kind of sound oscillation as they harmonically interact with each other.
Now I'm even more excited to see the tear down video.
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geordiemp
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FeiRR
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I just hope it doesn't cancel the screams of my enemies.Mebbe that's what the noise cancellation tech mooted for the Dualsense is for.
Handy Fake
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Whey this is it exactly.
Speeding up the SSD and throughput takes pressure off all the other hardware. It's an exponential increase system-wide.
Handy Fake
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How dare you. My wife is called Incontinentia.
thurnishaleygw
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SSfox
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FeiRR
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Confirmed: PS5 devkit saves 6 COVID patients at the same time.They will put their anc headphones in box
Joke aside, that tech isn't even that recent.
GRIEVEZ
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Well I certainly don't, because he blocked me for saying he's a petty man child for - sending "people" after that led guy. Even though he (Colt) was clearly in the wrongWhen we're talking about "Sir Colteastwood" we have no idea what's he thinking about
While im worried about filesize (PS5, doesnt have texture specific compression algo to my knowledge), you can re use assets... a lot and understand they dont necessarily "have" to use normal maps/light maps/lods/duplicate assets - so that should shave off a decent size (but how much are those savings? - I think someone mentioned 20%~ for asset duplication in Spiderman)
Epic commented about deeming filesize important... so im kind of curious how they are tackling this...
Anyone know any specifics in this regard? Or is that something we'll just have to wait and see
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geordiemp
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TBiddy
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For once, back up your claims and stop dreaming.
As Mark Cerny puts puts it as only supports 32 of quality sources, while this is Dolby Atmos damage control:
"It is not correct that Dolby Atmos handles 32 objects maximum. As a technology, Dolby Atmos can support hundreds of objects simultaneously. Having said that, we refer to some advice from game developers who have already created content with Atmos support: objects are fantastic tools, but you should use them sparingly as regards their number in activity within the same scene. Too many moving objects can create a confusing sound environment."
Oops, The Tempest is GPU-based compute unit, cache-less, SPU-like chip capable of 5,000 sound sources, but they will use only hundreds of high quality sources instead: Timestamped
The XSX sound chip offloads the CPU, because it's the same, old fake 3D audio, CPU-based:
“We finally won’t have to fight with programmers and artists for memory and CPU power,” says senior sound designer Daniele Galante.
AMD's comparing CPU vs GPU 3D audio: (Timestamped)
Go back to your XboxEra Discord FUD generator and try something else.
My dear Bo_Hazem. You claimed that Dolby Atmos only supports 32 sources. The quote you posted literally contradicts your own statement, as Atmos supports hundreds of sources.
You have literally no idea what the audio chip in the XSX looks like and can do. You might be right in your guess, but you're posting it as a fact and you're again failing to provide any facts to back up your claim.
Remember, you said this: "Nope, their solution is barely better than current gen". This is just your usual FUD, as there is literally no info whatsoever regarding their audio chip.
Feel free to talk about Discord, but it would serve you well to start talking facts instead of throwing a hissy fit.
thurnishaleygw
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You, as we all, don't have a clue if Series X's audio chip will support HRTF based algorithms. HRTF is not a spatial audio system in and on itself.
Bo_Hazem
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I'm done with you, save your essay for someone else. Everything has been provided from my side while you only throw accusations left and right and can't back them up, as usual. Any future quotes providing hollow essays will be skipped.
Handy Fake
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Good lord, watching Bo get annoyed is like seeing Nuclear Gandhi in Civ.
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TBiddy
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Accusations? You are the one accusing me of hanging out in some Discord.
If you want me to stop writing to you, then stop posting unsubstantiated BS about things you have no clue about. If you can prove your claim that the audio chip in the XSX is "barely better than current gen", feel free to share your proof and shut me up.
zaitsu
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zaitsu
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" and that was the moment he realized he had enough. Later that day he bought neogaf changed its name to playstion gaf and deleted everybody biased towards xbox. And we lived happily even after"
IkarugaDE
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So I think we need to get ready for the V-shape.
Shio
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This is a good point, sure file sizes might go up as resolution of textures increases but what about overall package file sizes? If other data such as normal maps etc which are no longer needed are no longer included how much of a difference does that make? Does anyone know what kind of filesizes of normal maps etc are in comparison to the textures they are assigned to?Well I certainly don't, because he blocked me for saying he's a petty man child for - sending "people" after that led guy. Even though he (Colt) was clearly in the wrong
While im worried about filesize (PS5, doesnt have texture specific compression algo to my knowledge), you can re use assets... a lot and understand they dont necessarily "have" to use normal maps/light maps/lods/duplicate assets - so that should shave off a decent size (but how much are those savings? - I think someone mentioned 20%~ for asset duplication in Spiderman)
Epic commented about deeming filesize important... so im kind of curious how they are tackling this...
Anyone know any specifics in this regard? Or is that something we'll just have to wait and see
Kusarigama
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The Dolby Atmos tech *CAN* support more than 32 sources, but they have limited it to 32 sources. That's it.
Neo Blaster
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Once again, closed platform perks. Sony sacrificed CUs for custom I/O hardware, for PCs to do the same all manufacturers would have to agree to a standard to make SSDs closer to the GPU/VRAM.
ToadMan
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Well there it is then - June 4 should've been coinciding with the Sony conference so I guess they were going to show it....
Unfortunately the patent detail text is all in Japanese so we'll have to wait for a translation to see if there is something more about the cooling mechanism.
On the face of it two banks of 3 fans drawing air through the V, through the heatsinks and dumping it out the sides.
I suppose that means this console is designed to sit flat on it's belly given the power and network connector seems to be at the back. There won't be a vertical profile for it... as far as I can see.
Is that 6 USB slots on the front?
Andodalf
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Normal maps are smaller, typically at least, but moving to 8k texture sets would more than negate any savings. Additionally, normal maps will still be needed and wanted for many types of assets.
TBiddy
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No, they recommend developers to limit it to 32 sources. That's a big difference.
Delpij
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It’s becoming clearer that, after reinventing the storage architecture of computing systems, and pushing audio forward, Sony is also trying to reinvent current air cooling practices.
I don’t know who will win the console war, but I think Sony is the main driver of a truly generational gap in gaming.
Hardware wise, I imagine a final version that is slightly less thick than the devkit, with sharper edges and increased build quality.
gullideckel
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Bo_Hazem
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Yup, same with The Tempest. It supports 5,000 sources, but will limit it to hundreds of sources of high quality, ray-traced audio. Every droplet, can you imagine?
Can't wait to experience it!
EDIT: All you need is a simple 2.0 Channel, ordinary headset.
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saintjules
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Yeah, I actually downloaded D2 when it was free. As for Metro, downloaded via Gamepass. Thanks, will try them out.
Neo Blaster
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I definitely wouldn't be surprised if PS5 came out more expensive than XSX, there's a lot of custom silicon inside. Sony will have to show one hell of a reveal with impressive next gen gameplay to engage buyers if that happens, MS will go full throttle on the power narrative.
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Crimson_Fate
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Atmos supports 128 sources , still a far cry from 5000. But I can see MS 1st party games using more then 32 if processing isn't an issue.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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It looks exactly like the dev-kit, and it's common for dev-kits to have more ports and indicator LEDs at the front.
Devil's Advocate: Could this be due to a lack of processing power allocated to properly blend the sources together without introducing lots of phasing errors that destroys the effect etc? Cerny made a point that it gets very tricky and computationally costly to have these sound sources moving between these different calculated HRTF nodes etc.
Could it be that Atmos recommends limiting to 32 with the amount of processing they do. They too seem to mention moving sources.
One thing is for certain; Sony is throwing a significant amount of processing power into Tempest. Maybe that's what's meant by being able to do more than 32 sources. Not technically, but with enough processing to calculate how they'd move and interact without weird artefacts and phasing errors?
Kusarigama
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I do not know how you interpret this
"*As a technology*, Dolby Atmos *can* support hundreds of objects simultaneously."
They advice this:
"Objects are fantastic tools, but you should use them sparingly as regards their number in activity within the same scene. Too many moving objects can create a confusing sound environment."
Mark Cerny confirmed on record that Dolby Atmos is limited to 32 sources. You can go ahead and call him a liar but do you think... do you *really* think that Mark Cerny lied on stage about other sound technology?
Be better
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ToadMan
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1. You mean you don't know. Most people are much better informed. 10.3 Tflops is the mathematical performance of stream processors (2304 for PS5) and clock (2.23Ghz). That's it. Those 2 numbers. Tflops are not used to represent runtime performance.
2. This is brilliant. So Sony spent 1 hour giving a technical overview of their system. We came out of that with an appreciation of the technical nuances of the system, trade offs, benefits and .... excitement! I mean, it was a great presentation by any standard - for a tech presentation it was incredible. I'd love to see Cerny narrate Cosmos like Sagan used to - but I digress.
Meanwhile MS spent nearly an hour for their 3rd Party Gameplay Reveal and we saw not one game running on xsex, all but 2 games are cross gen/mulitplat and 50% of the "xsex" exclusives (although even they are running on PC) has it turns out 5 hours of real gameplay. Oh and 100% of what they showed was meh.
If you're gonna compare communication output, MS aren't gonna come out on top.
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Thirty7ven
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Audio RT, YES please.
KingT731
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I don't think games will balloon in size too much especially considering games not needing massive amounts of duplicate datab on the next gen consoles and that's even with consideration to much larger textures.
ToadMan
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Ah so expect less in the production version? Fair enough.
Neo Blaster
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I wouldn't count on that, unless you're preordering it very early.For all you people claiming that 2020 is the worst year since forever, keep in mind that this year ends with a ps5 in our living rooms.
kuncol02
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What's new in that cooling system? Judging by pictures and English text it works like any other console or other similar device before. Just bigger, uglier and with more fans.
I don't think that final version could be thinner with that type of cooling. It's limited by size of fans.
ToadMan
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Is it something like the sound of tears when the UE5 demo was shown running on PS5... ?
BadBreathOfTheWild
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I'm expecting PS5 to be more expensive than XSX. I've said it for a while already. XSX to me looks like it targeted big processing numbers for little dollar numbers. Even the controller seems slightly simplified now, despite the Share button addition. The XSX chassis is pure form follows function, single fan, black box. That isn't an insult either, I personally like it and have said that many times, too.
PS5 is splashing out on things that don't really show up in a side-by-side glance at the key components. The controllers have become even more complex and feature-rich over DualShock 4. A lot of the changes to IO are extremely impressive from reading the patent linked here recently, not to mention the fixed power/performance target paradigm, super high GPU clock, and everything else. I can't see how PS5 can be cheaper.
You don't pay per teraflop, but basically per transistor, and PS5 has oodles of transistors outside of the core CPU and GPU. In Tempest and all the fixed-function hardware accelerators. In the SRAM pool, etc
DaGwaphics
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Even changes from manufacturers would be moot without changes deep in the OS stack. The two biggest venders there aren't exactly known for fast advancement.
zaitsu
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Is here anybody not pre-ordering day one ? I probably endup pre-ordering at least ten of them to sell online ( not the same price) and to make sure my friends will get one.
IkarugaDE
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If you want to have a deep look at the dualsense:
zaitsu
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So many patents today. They've planned June 4 from the beginning.If you want to have a deep look at the dualsense:
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Bo_Hazem
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They might even produce ray-traced echos if the tear drops are big enough
Timestamped, no faked rain audio track, every droplet will produce life-like rain sound collectively:
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MasterCornholio
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It would be crazy if the consoles design leaked this way.
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