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the app store on Win8 is the biggest piece of shit ever, so anything to unify and clean it up is a fine move. I would imagine something would have to be done prior to 2015 though, at least JUST for the desktop
 
Neuromancer said:
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Best MP game of the console generation
 
they should drop metro from the desktop, keep it for surface and other mobile solutions (keep windows phone too though please), and concentrate on the legacy desktop for PCs.
 
I refuse to believe that people still don't recognize MS's powerplay to establish an Apple like control over the PC platform. There's a reason many PC users stuck with Windows even during the times when Apple's OS's were clearly better, beyond the shortage of games. The only reason the desktop still persists in Win 8 is how shit the adoption of Metro apps has been. It's already been relegated to being just another app. Getting rid of it is simply a switch away. And if you think that MS won't throw that switch when they're able to you're deluding yourselves.

It's Win 7 for me until MS stops supporting it. After that, Linux. And if Valve fails and there are still not games on Linux, I guess I'll stop gaming. I refuse to reward MS for trying to kill the PC.
 
xenist said:
I refuse to believe that people still don't recognize MS's powerplay to establish an Apple like control over the PC platform. There's a reason many PC users stuck with Windows even during the times when Apple's OS's were clearly better, beyond the shortage of games. The only reason the desktop still persists in Win 8 is how shit the adoption of Metro apps has been. It's already been relegated to being just another app. Getting rid of it is simply a switch away. And if you think that MS won't throw that switch when they're able to you're deluding yourselves.

It's Win 7 for me until MS stops supporting it. After that, Linux. And if Valve fails and there are still not games on Linux, I guess I'll stop gaming. I refuse to reward MS for trying to kill the PC.
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What the heck are you talking about?

The Windows App Store is a supplemental platform to the desktop, it's not trying to kill it!
 
Holy shit, guys.

It's just talking about bringing in Windows Phone and XBox into RT. It's nothing about killing Desktop.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
You forget that this is a company that was willing to alienate at least a third of their userbase to implement Always Online DRM, right? Nothing is too insane/stupid for MS at this point.
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Video Games don't make up an absurd amount of their quarterly revenue.
 
ITT I learned that two devices need to run the exact same OS in order to run the same code.

Come on people, the only reason MS is unifying the OS is to lock windows like it does the xbox. There is no other reason to do this. App store unification can be done easily without unifying the OSes.
 
What is the point of the "There's everything under Microsoft, then there's Windows" kind of thinking? They'd get blasted by the other side saying its brutish and futile to stay staunchly, conservatively desktop only, especially when consumers aren't buying as many desktops anymore.
 
Hari Seldon said:
ITT I learned that two devices need to run the exact same OS in order to run the same code.

Come on people, the only reason MS is unifying the OS is to lock windows like it does the xbox. There is no other reason to do this. App store unification can be done easily without unifying the OSes.
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the article uses terms like "cross os" and "three oses". Where are you getting this "same OS" from?

And it is obvious the reason they are doing this is because they are suck of being dinged in reviews for a lackluster app store, and to give businesses a larger install base to develops on.

Desktop apps are as open as ever.
 
Pop-O-Matic said:
You forget that this is a company that was willing to alienate at least a third of their userbase to implement Always Online DRM, right? Nothing is too insane/stupid for MS at this point.
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Fun fact: The XBOX division is a separate thing from the Windows division. The Windows division has business sense.

Windows is not going to be locked down like the FUD slingers say. There is exactly zero evidence of that.
 
Hari Seldon said:
ITT I learned that two devices need to run the exact same OS in order to run the same code.

Come on people, the only reason MS is unifying the OS is to lock windows like it does the xbox. There is no other reason to do this. App store unification can be done easily without unifying the OSes.
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Sure, but unifying the OS is what makes it easier for developers, and consumers when there is more uniformity in the interface. Everything works the same; ease of use and efficiency go up.

It's pretty fascinating how differently people are taking Microsoft's vision of the future of OS on multiple devices from when Apple postulated the same thing years ago. MS just got there in a fraction of the time.
 
Hilbert said:
the article uses terms like "cross os" and "three oses". Where are you getting this "same OS" from?

And it is obvious the reason they are doing this is because they are suck of being dinged in reviews for a lackluster app store, and to give businesses a larger install base to develops on.

Desktop apps are as open as ever.
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From the thread title probably. Need more info. Although I don't understand why unifying the appstore would require an entirely new OS to make this happen. Virtualizing phone apps should be a windows 8 update and not a new OS, unless they are planning on putting all kinds of phone style data mining hooks deep into the new OS.
 
xenist said:
I refuse to believe that people still don't recognize MS's powerplay to establish an Apple like control over the PC platform. There's a reason many PC users stuck with Windows even during the times when Apple's OS's were clearly better, beyond the shortage of games.
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Yes, because PCs are cheaper and have more software and games. That's not going to change.

xenist said:
The only reason the desktop still persists in Win 8 is how shit the adoption of Metro apps has been. It's already been relegated to being just another app. Getting rid of it is simply a switch away. And if you think that MS won't throw that switch when they're able to you're deluding yourselves.
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That's why MS made many improvements to the desktop in Windows 8? Surely if they were going to get it rid of it they wouldn't have spent the money and manpower doing development on it.

This fear that the desktop is going away is completely unsupported by facts.
 
Hari Seldon said:
From the thread title probably. Need more info. Although I don't understand why unifying the appstore would require an entirely new OS to make this happen. Virtualizing phone apps should be a windows 8 update and not a new OS, unless they are planning on putting all kinds of phone style data mining hooks deep into the new OS.
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You will be happy to know that is exactly what the op says.
 
Mudkips said:
Fun fact: The XBOX division is a separate thing from the Windows division. The Windows division has business sense.

Windows is not going to be locked down like the FUD slingers say. There is exactly zero evidence of that.
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The new Windows Runtime is already locked down. No, they're never going to lock down the old APIs, but the status quo is not acceptable.
 
enzo_gt said:
Sure, but unifying the OS is what makes it easier for developers, and consumers when there is more uniformity in the interface. Everything works the same; ease of use and efficiency go up.

It's pretty fascinating how differently people are taking Microsoft's vision of the future of OS on multiple devices from when Apple postulated the same thing years ago. MS just got there in a fraction of the time.
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Just because someone had a vision of the way things should be (in order to maximize corporate profits) does not mean that I cannot bitch that it is yet more stupid ass MBA concocted shenanigans.

I mean really, if you think this is all about being good for the consumer, then I have a bridge to sell you. I pretty much guarantee that there is some asshole somewhere at MS that furiously faps 24/7 over the idea of a locked down general purpose PC OS.
 
Hari Seldon said:
From the thread title probably. Need more info. Although I don't understand why unifying the appstore would require an entirely new OS to make this happen. Virtualizing phone apps should be a windows 8 update and not a new OS, unless they are planning on putting all kinds of phone style data mining hooks deep into the new OS.
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Appstore purchases, which were previously separated, will be unified. Suggesting: Purchase Angry Birds on Phone --> no need to purchase on Tablet.

There is also the App Platform. This consists of OS functions and hooks that allow access to, say, networking or graphics libraries. Or maybe controls like the Windows Phone Pivot control. These are the 'tool sets' that allow developers to target the platform. Unifying all three tool-sets sounds like a good idea, right?

But this isn't even talking about the app platform. It's talking about features, like Internet Explorer, or Skype, maybe Xbox Music / Video, or Calendar, or something. Unifying the experience around that would seem like a good thing, right?

I think you have a basic misunderstanding as to what the article is talking about. It isn't talking about a new OS. Why would you virtualize phone apps if you could make them native and targeted towards the form-factor?


Hari Seldon said:
I mean really, if you think this is all about being good for the consumer, then I have a bridge to sell you. I pretty much guarantee that there is some asshole somewhere at MS that furiously faps 24/7 over the idea of a locked down general purpose PC OS.
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and there are probably 50,000 people there that think locking down the PC is the dumbest thing possible.
 
More tiles?
I really hope steam OS and gaming on Linux becomes more viable in the coming years.
The PS4 will hold me off PC gaming for at least 2 years.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Just because someone had a vision of the way things should be (in order to maximize corporate profits) does not mean that I cannot bitch that it is yet more stupid ass MBA concocted shenanigans.

I mean really, if you think this is all about being good for the consumer, then I have a bridge to sell you. I pretty much guarantee that there is some asshole somewhere at MS that furiously faps 24/7 over the idea of a locked down general purpose PC OS.
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I bought Halo Spartan Assault and Skulls of the Shogun on both my phone and PC. If I could have bought one version that worked for both it would have saved me money. That is good for the consumer and this is what is being proposed, making parts of the various OSs unified so that the content you buy will work on all of them. That does not mean that other parts of the OSes are being removed. IE the desktop will still be there and features that are unique to the Xbox One will remain in that OS as well.
 
I hope for them it means WIndows Phone and Xbox One get conned into an OS that has no advantages for them, because otherwise there will be blood.
 
SquiddyCracker said:
Absolutely terrible.

When they go through with this, I'll probably delete my Windows 8.1 partition and install ChromeOS or Ubuntu instead.

GTFO with your ad-nonsense and app wall gardens, MS.
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I've been a ChromeOS user since the beta with my CR-48 but this statement makes no sense to me, is it sarcasm?
 
lastflowers said:
Appstore purchases, which were previously separated, will be unified. Suggesting: Purchase Angry Birds on Phone --> no need to purchase on Tablet.

There is also the App Platform. This consists of OS functions and hooks that allow access to, say, networking or graphics libraries. Or maybe controls like the Windows Phone Pivot control. These are the 'tool sets' that allow developers to target the platform. Unifying all three tool-sets sounds like a good idea, right?

But this isn't even talking about the app platform. It's talking about features, like Internet Explorer, or Skype, maybe Xbox Music / Video, or Calendar, or something. Unifying the experience around that would seem like a good thing, right?

I think you have a basic misunderstanding as to what the article is talking about. It isn't talking about a new OS. Why would you virtualize phone apps if you could make them native and targeted towards the form-factor?
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Why would you not virtualize phone apps? What kind of idea is changing your OS to be more phone like in order to run shitty phone apps? My PC is not a cell phone and I don't want it to behave like one.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Why would you not virtualize phone apps? What kind of idea is changing your OS to be more phone like in order to run shitty phone apps? My PC is not a cell phone and I don't want it to behave like one.
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Perhaps you've been sleeping the past few years while technology has evolved to the point where there are less single purpose devices and the differences between them is blurring. People are buying phones that are almost as big as tablets and convertible devices that can go from a tablet to a laptop to a desktop at any moment. They had to invent new terms like "phablet".

Personally I would love to be able to have all the Windows 8 Store apps available on my Xbox One right now, I would have a lot more content to play with right out of the box.
 
It's about time they do this. They get docked for their ecosystem every time in reviews. They should've merged app stores a long time ago.
 
Hilbert said:
You didn't read the quoted text beyond the title? Would have saved you anxiety and prevented misunderstanding.
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I did read it but the rage from the thread title put me over the edge and I didn't interpret it like that haha. If this is only about getting phone apps to run on the PC then I don't care about it.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Why would you not virtualize phone apps? What kind of idea is changing your OS to be more phone like in order to run shitty phone apps? My PC is not a cell phone and I don't want it to behave like one.
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you are editing developer tools so that developers can quickly create an app natively for both that targets the particular form factor. you are NOT changing your OS to be more phone-like. Stop thinking that.
 
Slavik81 said:
The new Windows Runtime is already locked down. No, they're never going to lock down the old APIs, but the status quo is not acceptable.
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What exactly do you mean by locked down? If you're talking about sandboxing then that's a whole different thing and it's not necessarily a negative thing either; but if you're not, then I'm curious to know what you mean.
 
Slavik81 said:
The new Windows Runtime is already locked down. No, they're never going to lock down the old APIs, but the status quo is not acceptable.
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Windows RT is restricted to shit from their store. Windows is not.
Nice try to confuse the matter by referring to it as "The new Windows Runtime", though.

If you want shitty tablet style "apps" buy them from their store.
If you want desktop software, get it in the usual manner.
 
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