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Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Sounds like you've never used Windows 7 on a tablet, it's painful. Very painful.
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Sounds like you've never used Windows 7 on a tablet, it's painful. Very painful.
cartoon_soldier
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Like W8 desktop but with a working start menu.
Then give users option to boot to desktop bypassing metro.
Damon Bennet
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killer rin
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You can do that already!
Schrade
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Missing the working start menu part...
Personally, I think you should be able to completely disable any sort of Metro interaction at all.
not psycho
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So PC users won't be able to see how their memory is being used, and the OS will delete things automatically to make room?
How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
not psycho
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Xbox One can do that, the article says they want more commonality with Xbox One.
I don't actually think they would do that, but my point is, I don't want my PC to work like a phone or an Xbox.
The start menu works. What you want is the start menu to be shrunk to a fraction of the screen so that in the brief period of time you spend there looking for a program to run or a recent document, the stuff you're not even looking at stays visible...
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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it's called classic shell.
The Abominable Snowman
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I'd be 1110% content with W8 if you could "dock" the start menu to one side in usage when you summon it. The new start menu is a huge upgrade over the former, but it seems a lot of people can't get over the new look.
lastflowers
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I think this half-snap scenario is a good way of mollifying some of the valid issues that people have with the new start menu. Whether it will actually mollify the lay person's opinion is a different story all together.
The Blue Jihad
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Granted, it's been a solid year since I handled internal enterprise support, so things might have changed since 8 hit the market but if you have domain accounts, why use SkyDrive? The whole point of creating a domain is to simplify account and data management, network access, and collaboration.
SkyDrive, itself, was always a consumer space product. SkyDrive Pro, despite the "Pro(fessional)" moniker, is just a new version of SharePoint Workspace. Neither version was really catered toward business use.
Obviously, the notion of network shares is primitive now, as most places have been so enamored with the cloud that network drives are starting to become an afterthought, but I can't help but wonder why your studio isn't just going with the tried and true, standard domain config.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Here's the flaw in your thinking. Windows 8 doesn't work that way even though the Xbox does and they're based on the same kernel. There's more to software than drawing random strange parallels using false logic.
What are some examples of what people do with the start menu that you can't do in Windows 8.1?
On my computer it's set to boot to the desktop and the start button is configured to show the application screen organized by category. I can also search if I need something quick and right click start or use ctrl + x to open the power user menu.
On my computer it's set to boot to the desktop and the start button is configured to show the application screen organized by category. I can also search if I need something quick and right click start or use ctrl + x to open the power user menu.
Wiktor
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Microsoft has been doing this at least since XP, it never worked.
megarockexe
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Which reminds me, this article couldn't be more relevant. It was written in 2007.
Therefore it makes sense to have a consistent visual look and language under all Microsoft products and services, not "There's Windows, then there's everything else." The solution works well on multiple platforms since you can navigate with relative ease an accuracy.
It's do something, or get left behind. Growing pains now, or stiff competition later when mobile becomes even more dominant.
And metro is?
No, I don't want the start menu shrunk I just don't want it to be blown up to full screen. It does not work, there's absolutely no reason for the start menu to be fullscreen on a desktop or laptop pc with a bigger screen.
Besides that it's also lacking in features compared to the Windows 7 start menu. There's a lot less you can pin on the Windows 8 start screen making the extra space kinda useless.
It's just a few seconds or so generally but if the version that doesn't cover up all my applications works better than the one that doesnn't then why would I want it to go fullscreen? I've seen a few posts here that say that fullscreen shouldn't matter but you fail to give any reasons why it's better just that it's for some reason not worse. I'd say that for example having search available while still being able to see all your applications can be pretty damn useful.
There's also the fact that metro's second monitor support is broken. If I could have Metro on my second monitor I might actually like it a bit more.
I dont get the windows 8 hate.
Dont like metro? Dont use it, enjoy the other great features of windows 8, really, they are there.
You can
Dont like metro? Dont use it, enjoy the other great features of windows 8, really, they are there.
You can
Wiktor
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Yes.
Tertullian
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Buying a Windows 8 computer and then steadfastly refusing to spend a single cent in Microsoft's store is my plan.
Without making it your main monitor? Last time I checked that wasn't possible but that may have changed in 8.1.
In what way? I don't doubt that Metro works better on tablets than it does on desktops but would that have been any different if it were tablet only? And as far as I know it's not like metro tablets are selling all that well either.
RobotChant
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MS put Windows desktop on mobile devices. Now they're putting Mobile on Windows desktop devices.
It works with 8.1
cartoon_soldier
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Would be great, MS won't do it.
Oh god i can't believe people are still complaining about this. I've been using W8 at work for over a year. 95% of the time I am in the desktop and I have not noticed anything worse than windows 7. So what if the start menu takes up the whole screen? I need to click on an icon anyways or type.
Yeah there are things that can be improved like the searching and they shouldn't default to metro apps on the PC for photos and music and the like. But aside from that if you can't figure out how to use it like you did win7 then you should probably never leave metro.
cartoon_soldier
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I didn't know
Now I feel like I should have gone with W8 on my laptop.
For those who don't see the point of the start menu - it all comes down to what you are used to do what you want to do.
For me I hate the default task bar with all the big icons and stuffs being combined, so I always disable the combining and make the task bar looks like it was in XP the first thing I do with a new PC. I then use the start menu similar to how most people I've seen use the task bar.
For me I hate the default task bar with all the big icons and stuffs being combined, so I always disable the combining and make the task bar looks like it was in XP the first thing I do with a new PC. I then use the start menu similar to how most people I've seen use the task bar.
PetriP-TNT
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That's because they don't understand what the modern UI is and how it works. 95% percent of the so called "complaints" are, in reality, "OMG THEY REMOVES TEH DESKTOPS". The remaining 5% is 75% "Start menu takes the whole screen" and 25% valid complaints.
How? Like I said I know you can do it by making the second monitor the main one but that's not a proper solution.
Wiktor
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In a way that it's fast, fluid and very usable touch interface. Something no previous Windows were. Windows 8 biggest problem as far as touch devices go was that it wasn't complete and from time to time you were still thrown into desktop. But 8.1 minimized that and I expect with next release you will be able to do everything without seeing desktop even once.
There's no way to make one interface that will work well on both mouse+KB and touch systems. Those paradigms require vastly different solutions. No matter what kind of layer you put on desktop it will always be utter crap on touch devices. And similiarly Metro doesn't work anywhere near as well on Mouse+KB as regular W7 desktop does.
Microsoft got the right idea to have two completely different interfaces running alongside eachother. It's the execution that's still not perfect, but the idea itself is sound and the only one that can truly work.
Just like you do it normally on the main screen. Press the windows button on the second monitors taskbar.
Yeah, like I said as far as I know it's a good interface on tablets. If Microsoft truly realized that they can't make a interface work cross platform on desktop pcs and tablets they should just not have included Metro in the desktop version of Windows. Or at the very least not in the Professional version. Spyguy was just saying that Microsoft should be shipping desktop versionf of Windows without Metro. Whether their previous attempts at touch interfaces failed or not has very little to do with that.
So you can't do it by pressing the windows button on your keyboard or your main monitor then? That's still kinda useless.
Wiktor
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Why? What's so wrong about having choice to use it? At this point the only problem is lack of traditional start menu, but even this will be soon gone in next update. After this happens I don't really see what your argument could be.
Also..more and more laptops and desktops are using touchscreens. Kinect-like devices are also gaining popularity. So I don't think it would be good idea to make some sort of crippled Windows 8 version without metro.
There's no choice, you're kinda forced to at least use the start menu part of it which is already pretty bad for desktop use. If it's completely optional sure. It's baffling that Microsoft hasn't made a professional version of Windows 8 or at least some GPO policies that disable metro. There's no use for metro in Windows 8 Professional. It's 100% made for home users and that's fine but it shouldn't be in the Pro versions of windows or at the least be removable in those versions. Windows Vista/7 pro didn't include media center either, they need to do the same thing here.
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