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Nin-Network Acct locked to system it was made on [Upd: Customer Service can't help]
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Platinumstorm
Member
That is so stupid, and it's not overreaction. There are two PS3's in my household that people use interchangeably. For now my household will just have one Wii U, but the way it's set up is awful for multiple-console households.
AuthenticM
Member
If you delete your NNID off your Wii, are you still able to grab your purchases that are tied to the NNID?
No. All of your eShop activity will be deleted as well. Which is why Patrick is so angry.
If you delete your NNID off your Wii, are you still able to grab your purchases that are tied to the NNID?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say no.
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Deleted member 30609
Unconfirmed Member
Completely embarrassing. Pre-order cancelled.
ThatObviousUser
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Figures. Hopefully will be fixed later on.
Come on Nintendo, you have something close to usable here. =/ I can have an alphanumeric name I can give out, and I get notifications when people add me!
You are so damn close, yet so far away.
Come on Nintendo, you have something close to usable here. =/ I can have an alphanumeric name I can give out, and I get notifications when people add me!
You are so damn close, yet so far away.
Things I can do with my 360 gamer tag:
- Sign on to multiple 360s at my house. My girlfriend can play on one while I play on the other.
- sign on to my friend's 360s so I can use my account at their house to access account features or progress in games at their house
- sign in to any future 360 so If mine breaks I know everything will be intact. I don't need to call Microsoft or keep the original system to do this.
Here's how digital content works on the 360:
- anyone can access digital content on the console it is bought on. So if I buy content at my friend's house, he or she can use it in perpetuity
- I can access my own content on any 360 in the world, no matter when or where it was originally purchased.
This was all possible on day one in 2005.
360 FW updates also takes just a min or two. They're kings with online.
Meatvillain
Banned
With the better online integration and (I'm assuming) patching, perhaps Nintendo will have the ability to change the way this stuff works - hopefully if we tell them how horrible a goddamn decision they've made enough they'll change it?
I'm not surprised this is the case at all. In fact this is basically what I expected. (That doesn't make it any better)
I'm not surprised this is the case at all. In fact this is basically what I expected. (That doesn't make it any better)
grimshawish
Banned
If you delete your NNID off your Wii, are you still able to grab your purchases that are tied to the NNID?
No that is deleting your account period by the sounds of things.
Or can you actually log on with it?
IDK at this point. ffs
Maybe everyone complaining about having to enter friend codes rather than a username (1232-2154-7534-... vs LibertyPineCone), confused Nintendo about why people wanted an account based system.
Nintendo: "Oh, I guess they want a name instead of a number. We can do that"
Gamers: "......."
opticalmace
Member
I didn't even know this (although, I am a new 360 owner). Does this also apply to the PS3?Things I can do with my 360 gamer tag:
- Sign on to multiple 360s at my house. My girlfriend can play on one while I play on the other.
- sign on to my friend's 360s so I can use my account at their house to access account features or progress in games at their house
- sign in to any future 360 so If mine breaks I know everything will be intact. I don't need to call Microsoft or keep the original system to do this.
Here's how digital content works on the 360:
- anyone can access digital content on the console it is bought on. So if I buy content at my friend's house, he or she can use it in perpetuity
- I can access my own content on any 360 in the world, no matter when or where it was originally purchased.
This was all possible on day one in 2005.
Aquamarine
Member
No that is deleting your account period by the sounds of things.
Or can you actually log on with it?
IDK at this point. ffs
It gets completely destroyed.
Nintendo said:How to Deactivate a Nintendo Network Account
Important Note!
Deactivating a Nintendo Network Account will also delete the following information associated to the account: Nintendo eShop activity and balance, Friend List, Miiverse activity, and registered e-mail address.
Deactivated accounts cannot be restored.
The username associated to a deactivated Nintendo Network Account cannot be reused to create a new Nintendo Network Account.
I replaced my 360 and PS3 after they were stolen knowing I could get all my online stuff back.
Never bothered replacing the Wii.
I didn't know that either. If I buy, say, Castle Crashers on my friends 360 while logged into my account, he can play it on his and I can redownload it when I'm back home on mine? Or am I misunderstanding.
Never bothered replacing the Wii.
I didn't even know this (although, I am a new 360 owner). Does this also apply to the PS3?
I didn't know that either. If I buy, say, Castle Crashers on my friends 360 while logged into my account, he can play it on his and I can redownload it when I'm back home on mine? Or am I misunderstanding.
I didn't even know this (although, I am a new 360 owner). Does this also apply to the PS3?
Yes. If it's installed on the console, any account can play it.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
it seems obvious to me that all account activity is linked to NNIDs, which are linked to a given systems user(s).. all users on a single system can play each others downloads IIRC. It seems as though, rather than monitoring DRM by network connection at log on or as games load they are fixing NNIDs to one user on one system at a time.
On PS3, everyone can play one user's downloads. On 360, everyone can play one user's downloads. What is the benefit of the Wii U system for the end user?
even if they don't do that, it should be a simple case of a phone call. People have been able to get entire libraries of Wii software redownloaded when their systems broke, and there was near as dammit no account system there at all. For people in international territories, there is ALWAYS someone to complain to.
Which is very useful when your console is region locked, so people import consoles from other territories... or when you have famously poor distribution in EMEA and many territories have no domestic connection... or when wide swaths of Europe are outsourced to local distributors who often have no clue what you're doing.
WrenchNinja
Member
PS3 owners can share downloads for up to two consoles and the content can be used by anyone's account on the consoles said downloads are on.I didn't even know this (although, I am a new 360 owner). Does this also apply to the PS3?
Aquamarine
Member
On PS3, everyone can play one user's downloads. On 360, everyone can play one user's downloads. What is the benefit of the Wii U system for the end user?
Which is very useful when your console is region locked, so people import consoles from other territories... or when you have famously poor distribution in EMEA and many territories have no domestic connection... or when wide swaths of Europe are outsourced to local distributors who often have no clue what you're doing.
Nintendo doesn't want that, ergo it's locked to one system.
Is it anti-consumer? Yes. Is it in Nintendo's best interest? Also yes.
radioheadrule83
Banned
I didn't even know this (although, I am a new 360 owner). Does this also apply to the PS3?
You can have so many authorised systems for a piece of software, they reduced the number with updates. They have a site where you can manage your software authorisations.
So theres no actual point to having a network account. lulz
I presume so that Nintendo can transfer that account and all purchases over in the event something happens to your Wii U.
I didn't even know this (although, I am a new 360 owner). Does this also apply to the PS3?
Well, yeah. I tend to buy games from Australia but my main account is actually US-based. So all of my achievements are in my US account. So I'd redeemed all of the DLCs on my Australian account before I play them on my US account.
It gets completely destroyed.
Yeah, fuck this.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I didn't know that either. If I buy, say, Castle Crashers on my friends 360 while logged into my account, he can play it on his and I can redownload it when I'm back home on mine? Or am I misunderstanding.
If you go to your friend's house and buy Castle Crashers:
- He and every gamertag on his console can play Castle Crashers, online or offline
- You can play Castle Crashers on every console in the world, including your home console. as long as you're connected to Live. Other people at your house will also be able to play Castle Crashers, but only if you're signed in.
The "DRM migration" tool Microsoft makes available only affects the first license, the console license. That's why if you have a 360 die and you buy a new 360, you'll have to be connected to Live to play your content unless you do the DRM migration.
EmCeeGramr
Member
I wish there could be an interview with Iwata or someone on the hardware or network design department, where the interviewer just comes out and says, "This thing you're doing is stupid and nobody likes it."
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Nintendo really just needed to pay a third party to do all of their online stuff for them.
grimshawish
Banned
One thing - if I am downloading stuff online I don't care if I have to be online or set up single device usage for offline.
It should not be an issue to basically kill the software on another WiiU by just moving my account. Should not be difficult at all.
This is like some peoples views of Nintendo and graphics. Its not an accident. Nintendo has actively decided to say 'no' to moving between systems.
They decided this.
It should not be an issue to basically kill the software on another WiiU by just moving my account. Should not be difficult at all.
Nintendo really just needed to pay a third party to do all of their online stuff for them.
This is like some peoples views of Nintendo and graphics. Its not an accident. Nintendo has actively decided to say 'no' to moving between systems.
They decided this.
- anyone can access digital content on the console it is bought on. So if I buy content at my friend's house, he or she can use it in perpetuity
I can see some publishers not liking this option. Could be solved by tying downloaded content to the account that downloaded it. Basically, you can login in on your friend's console with your own account, download GameX, but only your account can play it.
Although consumers do like the sharing option.
fabricated backlash
Member
If you delete your NNID off your Wii, are you still able to grab your purchases that are tied to the NNID?
Well what do you think?
From the info gathered:
If you reserved a name with a friend, you have nothing to fear, because the process to free the ID involves deleting it from the system, which would delete all eShop activity too, and unless you go to your friend's WiiU, then buy and play stuff there, that is not a problem.
The issues only come up when you have to transfer eShop data, etc from a WiiU to another WiiU (like transferring to a new system, etc), since you need to delete all the eShop data, and although it's not clear, apparently you would need to buy everything again.
But, for that last point, Nintendo already said they are developing a way to transfer data between 2 WiiUs, so until then, the only way is probably call them.
If you reserved a name with a friend, you have nothing to fear, because the process to free the ID involves deleting it from the system, which would delete all eShop activity too, and unless you go to your friend's WiiU, then buy and play stuff there, that is not a problem.
The issues only come up when you have to transfer eShop data, etc from a WiiU to another WiiU (like transferring to a new system, etc), since you need to delete all the eShop data, and although it's not clear, apparently you would need to buy everything again.
But, for that last point, Nintendo already said they are developing a way to transfer data between 2 WiiUs, so until then, the only way is probably call them.
Aquamarine
Member
I can see some publishers not liking this option. Could be solved by tying downloaded content to the account that downloaded it. Basically, you can login in on your friend's console with your own account, download GameX, but only your account can play it.
But if you logged onto another person's system with YOUR account, why wouldn't you be able to play it on another system using your account?
Well what do you think?
I don't know? That's why I asked.
I presume so that Nintendo can transfer that account and all purchases over in the event something happens to your Wii U.
which they can do just by knowing your machine id or w/e. like if your wii was stolen
NNID is fucking worthless.
Magic.Things I can do with my 360 gamer tag:
- Sign on to multiple 360s at my house. My girlfriend can play on one while I play on the other.
- sign on to my friend's 360s so I can use my account at their house to access account features or progress in games at their house
- sign in to any future 360 so If mine breaks I know everything will be intact. I don't need to call Microsoft or keep the original system to do this.
Here's how digital content works on the 360:
- anyone can access digital content on the console it is bought on. So if I buy content at my friend's house, he or she can use it in perpetuity
- I can access my own content on any 360 in the world, no matter when or where it was originally purchased.
This was all possible on day one in 2005.
They had previously told us stuff was locked to a machine but never in a million years would I think that means you couldn't transfer it to another Wii U.
machine is singular
I presume so that Nintendo can transfer that account and all purchases over in the event something happens to your Wii U.
How much you wanna bet they'll require you to ship a broken WiiU along with the new one to xfer purchases?
I didn't know that either. If I buy, say, Castle Crashers on my friends 360 while logged into my account, he can play it on his and I can redownload it when I'm back home on mine? Or am I misunderstanding.
Not 100% sure about a different machine, but what I do on the 360 and PS3 is to create multiple accounts based in different regions, in order to download region-specific stuff. Damn useful I have to say. That trick is harder to do with the Vita unfortunately.
Absoludacrous
Member
From the info gathered:
If you reserved a name with a friend, you have nothing to fear, because the process to free the ID involves deleting it from the system, which would delete all eShop activity too, and unless you go to your friend's WiiU, then buy and play stuff there, that is not a problem.
The issues only come up when you have to transfer eShop data, etc from a WiiU to another WiiU (like transferring to a new system, etc), since you need to delete all the eShop data, and although it's not clear, apparently you would need to buy everything again.
But, for that last point, Nintendo already said they are developing a way to transfer data between 2 WiiUs, so until then, the only way is probably call them.
Nope, reserved names can't be used again to make a new NNID. According to Nintendo once it is used and deleted, that name is gone for good.
fabricated backlash
Member
I don't know? That's why I asked.
I think at this point it was obvious. Sorry.
radioheadrule83
Banned
On PS3, everyone can play one user's downloads. On 360, everyone can play one user's downloads. What is the benefit of the Wii U system for the end user?
There isn't any. My point was more that I suspect they've taken the approach they've taken because it doesn't require them to put the Management in Digital Rights Management, and those downloads are secured in a way that persists offline / doesn't require online checks. I think they're wrong to do it this way, and I most definitely want - at the very least - the ability to recover an NNID on another console, and ideally - proper means to manage my software licenses. I want proper digital ownership like everyone else.
Which is very useful when your console is region locked, so people import consoles from other territories... or when you have famously poor distribution in EMEA and many territories have no domestic connection... or when wide swaths of Europe are outsourced to local distributors who often have no clue what you're doing.
I do sympathise with anyone in those situations, but if I'd imported I'd be speaking to the subsidiary in that region and not even letting them know I lived elsewhere. I concede, it would be a problem if anything needed mailing (receipts, the hardware itself etc).. as I say, this isn't good. I'm glad they're catching heat for it.
Actually Nintendo allows that unless I'm missing something, deactivating the ownership on that console (unless someone else bought it) to activate on a new console would be more than enough to fix the problem of people wildly sharing games, while not being excessively anti-consumer.Nintendo doesn't want that, ergo it's locked to one system.
Is it anti-consumer? Yes. Is it in Nintendo's best interest? Also yes.
Because you can only log into your account from one system (including PCs!) at a time. And outside of the original console you have to be online as you play, so you can't freely share a game because only one person can be logged online, and if you're giving your information to someone else you risk them abusing it and buying crap for themselves.But if you logged onto another person's system with YOUR account, why wouldn't you be able to play it on another system using your account?
People were demanding a streamer to take my name last night
As much as I don't like your schtick, you're more popular around here than anyone not named EviLore. Don't be surprised!
But if you logged onto another person's system with YOUR account, why wouldn't you be able to play it on another system using your account?
You "should" be able to is what I'm saying. Unlike the current WiiU situation.
H_Prestige
Banned
Nope, reserved names can't be used again to make a new NNID. According to Nintendo once it is used and deleted, that name is gone for good.
LOL, WTF?