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Ninja Gaiden Black still the best action game
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I have no problems with MGR, DMC or Bayo's cameras, only Ninja Gaiden's is the one that goes bananas.
Anyway I have the most fun with MGR, so I'm going to go with that.
Random off topic note but there was recently an epic discussion about NGB on the DMC boards on IGN because we really don't have much to talk about there these days anyway.
NGB is top 3 best action game of all time but having a lot of vanilla moves (see: useless), bad camera, duplicate weapons, RNG dependent statuses of bosses (when you can attack/damage them and when you can't) and improper balance of moves really holds it back from being the absolute best.
NGB is top 3 best action game of all time but having a lot of vanilla moves (see: useless), bad camera, duplicate weapons, RNG dependent statuses of bosses (when you can attack/damage them and when you can't) and improper balance of moves really holds it back from being the absolute best.
NGB makes you feeling pretty good with what you just did in the game. But NG2 makes you go "Holy shit, did I just survive that?" The amount of satisfaction I get in NG2 outweighs the amount of plain old fun I get out of Black.
I think it's pretty much impossible to really say that NG2 has the "best combat" because combat mechanics on their own mean nothing if there isn't a game to support them. An action game in particular is made up of a bunch of components which have to work together to create the game experience. NG2 has really cool mechanics which improve on certain elements of NG1, it's true, it's also faster, that's true, but the game never really uses the mechanics as well as NGB does, and while half of the game is pretty fun, it basically devolves into really awful level design and just nonsensical encounter design compromised of just copying and pasting mobs all over to fill up a stage. It's a pity, but since the game was so unpolished and rushed, we'll never really know if the game could be better than NGB if they actually had the time to make something as polished as the first NG.
By the time I got to the second half of NG2 there was very little satisfaction left at all. Only crushing disappointment at what a turd the remainder of the game was.
This is God Tier right here. Close the thread its over.
Question. Has the op played Rising?
dancingphlower
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Going to have to go with Devil May Cry 3 as the best action game of all time, since I'm not a fan of Ninja Gaiden's brand of action. It feels too repressive to me, and the camera is annoying as hell.
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I love NG2, at least the Sigma version but Black is the complete package and just feels a hell lot more polished.
BadAss2961
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Devil May Cry series is boss.
I still say Ninja Gaiden would've been way better if the whole game was more like the first level.
I still say Ninja Gaiden would've been way better if the whole game was more like the first level.
Robot Pants
Member
NG2 is better than NGB.
Had Itagaki had the proper amount of time to really finish up the game, it would be no contest.
Had Itagaki had the proper amount of time to really finish up the game, it would be no contest.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
For me, Sigma started some unfortunate changes that I still effect the series to this day.
They really streamlined the level design. Most of the puzzles are gone, some non-combat transversal areas have been removed, some keycards taken out. Running on water is done automatically, making the entire water chapter trivial, along with some of it's exploration areas. What I loved about NGB was that on top of the top tier action was that it had that adventure side to it. A lot of light puzzle or exploration/backtracking goes a long way, along with the hub-like areas of Tairon, the Aqueducts, and the Caverns. This streamlining would signal the direction the series would go, where levels are now essentially different colored hallways with endless wave after wave after wave of dozens of enemies each.
They also went and added these mandatory Rachel segments, even in the damn Mission Mode. She's slow, has one weapon, and retreads levels and enemy encounters Ryu. I really dislike playing here For some reason, they just keep adding these shallow, one-weapon girl missions into these Sigma games.
And they nerfed the black ninjas
I revised my original post and ranked NG2 above Bayonetta, I loved Bayonetta, but NG2 scratches an itch that Bayonetta didn't.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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My favorites are DMC 3 and Bayonetta by a long shot. Extra special mention goes out to Godhand.
A good friend of mine enjoys GoW 3 for some bizarre reason. Tell me GAF, where does GoW 3 slot into the pantheon of action games?
A good friend of mine enjoys GoW 3 for some bizarre reason. Tell me GAF, where does GoW 3 slot into the pantheon of action games?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
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Get out.
Anyway, Bayonetta just pips it to the finish line as best overal.
However NGB is still the best complete experience, not much that game does wrong.
It just can never match bayonetta's Highs
Robot Pants
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The bottom. Slightly above Dante's Inferno and GOW1.
By the time I got to the second half of NG2 there was very little satisfaction left at all. Only crushing disappointment at what a turd the remainder of the game was.
I enjoy ferocious and insanely fast turd sometimes, I embraced the turd.
partyphone
Banned
I'm with Team Bayonetta.
Are we gonna have to fight about it? : (
Are we gonna have to fight about it? : (
NGB is for people who like to use only 3 moves to beat the game because the developers couldn't be bothered with actual weapon and move balance.
#99movesinaweaponbutonly3usefulones
Below the top tier resides GoW2. GoW2 is the king of the presentation in action games.
Kung Fu on NES only had 2 moves, and it was a good game!
#sometimeslessismore
GoW2 is the king of QTE fapping for psychopaths who enjoy employing brutality on people who don't deserve it.
God of War games have probably the best presentation in the genre. They are the complete package, even if the actual combat is not very complex and can't match the fluidity/variety of stuff like Bayonetta. Still good despite what the haters might say.
Hey, leave DMC1 out of this. It's the only other game that I could comfortably put next to NGB.
DMC3&4 are really bad though, after thinking about it a lot.
And NGB is for people who love to do swan dives off of walls to beat the entire game.
You can do the same thing in Ninja Gaiden 2, but spamming it will cause an immediate death.
Less IS more but NG has a shit ton of vanilla/useless moves and a few over powered moves that are staples for anyone who actually wants to play the game properly.
DmC has better move and weapon balance than NGB. Just let that sink in for a second as to how bad the balance is in NGB.
R
Retro_
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You should play DMC1
Every move in Dante's arsenal has a purpose. DMC1 is probably the leanest action game ever designed in that regard. No fluff in the moveset
I can see your criticism applying to the later games. I don't think the enemies of the series evovled with the options of the player characters in later games.(especially the movement/air options)
but I still prefer how open and complex their combat mechanics are to how binary combat is in NGB
The same could be said about DMC. There are only the moves that start the combo. The rest is filler.
NGB has better player interaction with the enemies.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
And for the record, I really didn't care for NG2.
-The framerate goes to shit too often
-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many off-screen projectiles
-Poorly designed bosses(the twin dragons, the underground worm, the big electric fish in the sewer, the damn Armadillo)
-Dumbed down, streamlined level design
-Ugly enemy design(that zombie with the chainsaw and the cannon is just the dumbest fuckin' thing)
-Didn't ship with any costumes/mission mode
I just hate the direction the series went. NGB encounters were smaller scale, but more intense. It was defensive, reactive, you felt like you can get through encounters without getting touched. In NG2, there's a dozen guys in every encounter, black ninjas with incendiary shurikens spam and rocket spam killing the framerate, the game is actually built with you getting hit in mind with the lifebar heals and the save points. It just becomes this battle of attrition, and no matter how interesting weapons, the battles become a slog. I can't give it any higher than a 6/10, to be honest.
and then NG3/10 made NG2 look like a masterpiece
at this rate, NG4 is gonna give you cancer just booting that bitch up
-The framerate goes to shit too often
-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many off-screen projectiles
-Poorly designed bosses(the twin dragons, the underground worm, the big electric fish in the sewer, the damn Armadillo)
-Dumbed down, streamlined level design
-Ugly enemy design(that zombie with the chainsaw and the cannon is just the dumbest fuckin' thing)
-Didn't ship with any costumes/mission mode
I just hate the direction the series went. NGB encounters were smaller scale, but more intense. It was defensive, reactive, you felt like you can get through encounters without getting touched. In NG2, there's a dozen guys in every encounter, black ninjas with incendiary shurikens spam and rocket spam killing the framerate, the game is actually built with you getting hit in mind with the lifebar heals and the save points. It just becomes this battle of attrition, and no matter how interesting weapons, the battles become a slog. I can't give it any higher than a 6/10, to be honest.
and then NG3/10 made NG2 look like a masterpiece
at this rate, NG4 is gonna give you cancer just booting that bitch up
Supermanisdead
Member
No. Bayonetta wins now and forever.
If you want to talk about a game designed and balanced excellently around the combat mechanics than DMC1 is the king. Every move and tool in your arsenal is tuned to the enemies you encounter and all the enemy and environment designs are STILL unmatched in an action game.
The other DMC games while have moves/weapons that are all mostly useful still do not compare well to the enemies because they are mostly all fodder status. DmC has straight up Zelda-like puzzle type enemies where A weapon is effective against Y enemy but B weapon doesn't even damage it.
The other DMC games while have moves/weapons that are all mostly useful still do not compare well to the enemies because they are mostly all fodder status. DmC has straight up Zelda-like puzzle type enemies where A weapon is effective against Y enemy but B weapon doesn't even damage it.
I honestly feel that move and weapon "balance" is incredibly overrated in a single player action game. Weapons and moves do not have to be designed to be as useful and optimal as each other. This isn't a competition. Some weapons and moves will be easier to use and easier to cheese for some players than others. That's fine. The important question is whether the weapons and moves are fun to use and whether they are actually viable. If they cannot be used to beat the game at all or to get good scoring ranks, then that's bad. That's not the case with NGB though. Everything is usable, some are just more useful than others. If a player decides to use something less optimal and can achieve the same result, more power to him. As long as they handle well and the game is fun, that's the most important part. Sometimes people who spend all their time looking for the optimal playstyle or the best combos lose sight of that.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Hold up, nah Ninja, you never went there.
Take that foolish talk to MN and see if your shit don't get wrecked.
As far as im concerned, outside of DmCs color coded enemies, NGB gives you the most motivation in an action game to learn your whole arsenal.
360 UT with TDS? Check
Guillotine throw? Check
Unlabored flawnessness? Check
Vigoorian flail.. especally the xxxxxx combo? check
Lunar staff UT? check
Inzuna drop? check
windmill shrukien? Check
IS kunai? Check
ASP cores? Check
Your can write a book on NGB's arsenal and which weapon is best for each situation. Its NG2 that balances each weapon in such a way that it really doesn't matter what you use.
Jonsoncao
Banned
Sigma's UT doesn't need essence from the enemy, you just charge over time. This makes a whole lot difference in higher difficulties.
Plus NGS's difficulty has been significantly toned down, though not as much as NG2->Sigma2.
DMC1 has the best enemy design every seen in an action game. Only game that comes close is Bayonetta ONLY because of Grace and Glory.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
no
Try Enslaved. It's got one of the deepest, most intricate combat systems in the genre. There are some really impressive videos out there with some insane combos. The only downside is that the platforming can be very, very tricky at times.
what the shit is this?
does there have top be a Ninja theory troll in every action game thread?
Enslaved is an adventure game for bloody one.
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