clem84
Gold Member
They obviously are profitable or else they wouldn't be around.
Heavenly sword was ok but Enslaved was pretty good. Last I heard it also did decent numbers.
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They obviously are profitable or else they wouldn't be around.
Heavenly sword was ok but Enslaved was pretty good. Last I heard it also did decent numbers.
Actually, Heavenly Sword managed just over 1 million (mainly due to Europe), not turning a profit for Sony, but it did break even. DmC's shipment numbers were downgraded from a projected 2 million to 1.2 million by the end of the recently ended fiscal year, but they had only shipped 1 million worldwide by that point. They haven't sold anywhere near that much.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
Whatever it is, it's gonna bomb.
I wanna say that whatever they touch turns to shit, but it's more like they're only capable of creating shit. An important distinction.
I wanna say that whatever they touch turns to shit, but it's more like they're only capable of creating shit. An important distinction.
The answer is also yes, but it's quite uncommon since it's not overwhelmingly straightforward.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
The answer is also yes, but it's quite uncommon since it's not overwhelmingly straightforward.
I honesty didn't think such things existed. So thanks.
Don't worry, they're quite obscure titles and not heavily marketed sections of them either, so I would guess most people didn't know.
and they are both EA published games(EA Partners Program) that got released close to each other...
great pitch men and know how to manage a schedule and balance a budget I assume.
badcrumble
Member
Maybe they talk an extremely big game and manage to get in front of people who aren't used to utterly shameless self-promoters who can't back up their pitch.
badcrumble
Member
It's worth noting that NT only tends to get work with Japanese publishers. I wonder why that is, too.
KingItachi
Member
Aww really. I was looking forward to DmC just for the story/characters alone because I liked Heavenly Sword's so much. I heard good things about Enslaved's story as well so I thought it was almost a sure thing DmC's would be good too.
Oh well. At least this dampened some of my expectations. Would've been pretty bad to go into the game with those ones. Still a ways off though, have about a 100 games in my backlog to get through before I can buy new games. And there are about 20 games on my to-buy list before DmC.
Dahbomb love DmC,so it's not a surprise.
but yeah NT on Onimusha will be a huge mess,it's like asking One Direction to write a song about the Arab Spring.
Monocle
Member
Ninja Theory did a good job downgrading DMC from the premiere action game franchise to B-tier rental fodder, so I'm looking forward to whatever they tackle next. Perhaps a new Ninja Gaiden game that dispenses with ninja themed swordplay and focuses on Ryu's quest for self-discovery as an artilleryman in the Russo-Japanese War. Fans will be furious, but fuck them, right?
Mr. Pointy
Member
To be fair, DmC was NT's best game and as a standalone action game, it would have been considered great. Unfortunately, it's a Devil May Cry game.
And as far as they go it's a below average Devil May Cry game, when it should have been a great DMC game, coming off of 4's mixed reception.
I do think that NT could do a good Onimusha. If someone else wrote the the story.
And as far as they go it's a below average Devil May Cry game, when it should have been a great DMC game, coming off of 4's mixed reception.
I do think that NT could do a good Onimusha. If someone else wrote the the story.
Kung Fu Chaos,Heavenly Sword and Enslaved are all bad games.
I really think the only way for NT is to not make action games but to do something in telltale/Quantic Dream interactive movie style-genre since they get praised for their storytelling (I think their stories are bad) and the mo-cap tech they use from the reviewers usually.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Considering what Team Ninja have already did to Ninja Gaiden with 3 and (speculating) Yaiba, NT can't really do any worse.
I agree but they are bad games tht I couldn't give a shit about and continue to ignore them, I prefer that than bad games in franchises I love. They need to stay the hell away from my favourite franchises and continue to make new IPs.
BeautifulMemory
Member
And to be fair, Capcom helped out a great deal on gameplay, which is absolutely essential of a DMC game. So I wouldn't even say DmC was purely a NT since NT was quiet clueless about gameplay
Monocle
Member
True enough, I suppose. Then again, Razor's Edge happened, so somebody must have puzzled out some of the reasons NG3 was garbage. I'd like to see Capcom display similar self awareness.
DmC story: Every thing is damon, fuck you, big dicks, fedora ftw. NT is as bad as the japanese stuff.
The answer is also yes, but it's quite uncommon since it's not overwhelmingly straightforward.
Those garbage levels are so fucking awful I actually wish 2D games weren't possible in UE3.
Anyone that recommends Shadow of the Damned is not to be trusted.
And that's what people don't realise. DmC was co-developed and the game was never going to be considered good if NT did it themselves like originally intended. The praise people give the gameplay to "prove" NT's worth is unwarranted. Just look at how dogshit HS and Enslaved play like. Capcom wont get the praise from these people because they have absolutely convinced themself that DMC is bad in Capcoms hands no matter what.
BeautifulMemory
Member
What's NT REALLY good at it anyway that's so special?
Gameplay? Lacking as an action game. No platform/traversing smoothness or subtlety.
Art? Sure, maybe environmental. Character design? Dubious. but video game is also meant to be played
Story: maybe "superior" given that it's a video game, but it doesnt really stand out. Are we really considering Enslaved the pinnacle of video game storytelling?
Facial/motion capture? Check
The DmC environmental shift? Sure cool at first, but the cynic in me also feels like they take what was in Inception and beat to death with it as a gimmick
Help me out here.
Gameplay? Lacking as an action game. No platform/traversing smoothness or subtlety.
Art? Sure, maybe environmental. Character design? Dubious. but video game is also meant to be played
Story: maybe "superior" given that it's a video game, but it doesnt really stand out. Are we really considering Enslaved the pinnacle of video game storytelling?
Facial/motion capture? Check
The DmC environmental shift? Sure cool at first, but the cynic in me also feels like they take what was in Inception and beat to death with it as a gimmick
Help me out here.
Monocle
Member
I almost wish Capcom had left NT to their own devices just so we could see the monstrosity they would have wrought, but that wouldn't be fair to people who enjoyed the game we ended up with: a serviceable action title doomed from its inception by a standard of quality well beyond NT's capabilities.
Even DMC4 sharts a mighty fountain of diarrhea on DmC, and DMC4 used to be the closest thing we had to a middling DMC game, well above DMC2 but well below DMC1 and DMC3.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
That was EatChildren's top 3 game from last year right?
jett
Banned
(Today, 11:44 PM)
but really, both SotD and Alice won my award for "stylish but SUPER repetitive UE3 shooter of 2012". A most contentious title!
I don't love DmC, I like it.
Onimusha is more in line with the type of game that NT delivers. Less focus on combat and high octane action.. more on the presentation.
Slamtastic
Member
If you really think the few Capcom team members overseeing could create a game as good as DmC with any random code monkeys, without the bulk of the old series team, they are free to do it.
But I'm hopeful that NT has improved in action game design from Capcom's tips and their experience, and will deliver another good game, whether it's original, DMC, or another IP.
But I'm hopeful that NT has improved in action game design from Capcom's tips and their experience, and will deliver another good game, whether it's original, DMC, or another IP.
I haven't played Alice but now I know I won't ever.
BeautifulMemory
Member
And maybe I will be wrong but I really doubt all of the sudden NT will just "get it" in terms of understanding the nuances of gameplay after one collaboration with Capcom if they want to keep making action games.
And I am really hesitant to give a lot of credit of DmC's combat to NT since a lot of the combat's arsenal lifts directly from previous DMC games or are variations of it. This is not to say there weren't good stuff, especially important innovations in the DMC franchise, I just find the game overall to be more fluff than substance.
Wow me with gameplay, not your (unskippable) cutscenes
Night_Trekker
Member
I never had much invested emotionally in their DMC reboot, but it will be my turn to be enraged if it's Strider-related.
Yeah... I don't think DmC turned out as well as it did (relatively speaking) because of Ninja Theory.
Yeah... I don't think DmC turned out as well as it did (relatively speaking) because of Ninja Theory.
If it wasn't for Hideaki Itsuno stepping to help, DmC would have been crap. Wasn't there an article saying the guys at Ninja theory doesn't understand the concept of action games which makes Hideaki Itsuno shake his head and show them how to do it?
IIRC Ninja Theory's priority is always art and story first, gameplay is secondary.
IIRC Ninja Theory's priority is always art and story first, gameplay is secondary.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
You haven't lived until you experienced the world's prettiest, most mundane puzzles/combat mixture again and again and again for several hours!
Thank you, based McGee
Gold_Loot
Member
Are those stages garbage? Yes they are. The rest of that game was a pleasure to play though, boners and all.
Alice MR was my goty 2011,I don't mind it been long it was so good,and chapter 4 is classic.
also its story is something NT should learn from to how you do a powerful,simple and effective story.
I stopped at 5-1, I couldn't bring myself to continue on doing the same goddamn things over and over in every level in the game ever. Awful game design, awful level design. I thought this game would be a decent RE4-inspired game. Nope. Mikami is rolling in his grave.
hahaha
BeautifulMemory
Member
You should play the second to last boss fight. Gets pretty lame on high difficulties in terms of timing. It's nothing but a chore and endurance test.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I didn't know people used "high octane action" outside of PR statements
but yeah I don't buy into this at all. Especially with how the Issen system evolved in the later games. Gameplay in Onimusha is as important as it is in any Capcom game.
and in terms of settings and subject matter DMC was always the better choice given Onimusha being based in feudal japanese history.
I mean unless they did a reboot that took place in some fictional setting with eastern culture influences like their other games, I don't see a Japanese company hiring a Western developer to make a game based on Japanese history.
Or they have done bad things, and tameem might be a bit of a douche.
That's possible.
People want to magically forget that.
We don't really know what changed with the game with Capcom's own influence so it's sort of premature to make assumptions. I mean yea it's obvious the game went through various game play changes, at one time it had contact sensitive finisher moves. But good or bad the quality of the game is attributed to NT mostly.
I can safely say they made a considerable improvement over their previous games. I hope they can improve themselves even further and get a bonafide hit to their name.
I can safely say they made a considerable improvement over their previous games. I hope they can improve themselves even further and get a bonafide hit to their name.
Ah, I stand corrected then. Quite a problem for that not to have been enough to break even.
Wishmaster92
Member
Heavenly Sword 2 please.
But DmC was better than Ninja Gaiden 3.
It's too bad DmC doesn't have the equivalent of a DahBomb or Gunbo(he hasn't played it, right?) that falls on the other side of the fence, because there are way too many people who just come into Ninja Theory threads and post the most useless and reductive criticisms about DmC's mediocrity.