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Nintendo should retire Mario, Zelda and Metroid
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Meccanical
Member
I wouldn't mind FF being retired in it's current state...
Lambda Pie
Banned
sales of consoles based around Mario, Zelda and Metroid:
NES - 61.91 million
SNES - 49.10 million
N64 - 32.9 million
GAMECUBE - 21.74 million
sales of consoles based around WiiPlay and WiiFit:
WII - 99.38 million
Mario and company haven't been draws in years.
NES - 61.91 million
SNES - 49.10 million
N64 - 32.9 million
GAMECUBE - 21.74 million
sales of consoles based around WiiPlay and WiiFit:
WII - 99.38 million
Mario and company haven't been draws in years.
GiantBreadbug
Member
lol?
lol.
lol.
Holy Order Sol
Member
If he expected that instead of discussion, why did he bother? Because he enjoys it.
Lets him throw this one out too, a chance he can't pass up:
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Mario they can't. Thats suicide.
Every other franchise that keeps getting wheeled out, they should.
Every other franchise that keeps getting wheeled out, they should.
Activision did retire Guitar Hero.
I'm frankly amazed at how I'm being attacked, and the level of defensiveness here. I didn't insult any of these franchises, but the fact is that being beholden to these games to really drowns out not only Nintendo's other franchise efforts but also third party games that might otherwise have a chance to shine.
I don't really consider Mario Kart a Mario game as much as a racing game, although I will concede the point on New Super Mario Bros. selling well.
There are always those who love the new games. Crazy right?
Glass Rebel
Member
I respectfully disagree.
Nintendo's "smaller" IPs are much more enjoyable because they aren't aimed at a huge market. Fire Emblem for the Mario audience would be ass.
IrishNinja
Member
while i might find the question silly, i agree with you on this - dude had a question he thought legitimate, it's just this new console cycle getting everyone more sensitive. in my mind, the actual trolls are a great deal more obvious, i'd not throw around the word for OP here either.
if it's just about challenging nintendo, wouldn't outsourcing be another route? ie, from what ive played, i think capcom knocked it outta the park with zelda years back, that kinda thing (or metroid with rare, natch) frees them up to try new stuff.
again though, alberto nailed it but people here clamor for new IPs, but don't want/acknowledge Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Wii Music etc. i'm not a fan of all 3 either, but that's the kinda thing they did last gen.
point being, you might not like the new IPs if they're not targeted at you
Why would you do that?
Member
Retiring them would be a bad idea, since the main Mario platformers and Zelda are very popular, one-of-a-kind games. It's one thing if, say, the Call of Duty franchise retired (a replacement would not be too hard to find), but the same can't be said for Super Mario games or Zelda.
I mean, look at F-Zero. It has extreeemely few games like it, so the absence of the series is making a lot of fans antsy (me included *pouts*).
I mean, look at F-Zero. It has extreeemely few games like it, so the absence of the series is making a lot of fans antsy (me included *pouts*).
I don't like Rythm Heaven anyway
And Animal Crossing really reached that league in DS/3DS too.
Wii__ is really the only franchise they have that can stand tall against Mario that they have.
And that's really the only one I can think off in the industry that can do that.
People underestimate just how freaking big Mario actually is.
Zelda and Metroid can't even come close, really.
Oh and NSMBW pushed the Wii too since late 2009 also.
It's because it's stupid as all hell.
Guitar hero is so small compared to Mario you have no idea.
It's a little fad that didn't take off and where only 2 clones were sufficient in killing the sales.
We're getting SMB clones and remixes since the late 80's, and the market can still support them!
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sure, but the casual boom is over. The Wii U won't repeat what the Wii did, it needs something else. I don't know what that "something else" is, but I'm sure it's not retiring the most iconic Nintendo franchises.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
And Microsoft should retire Halo amirite? >_>
Meccanical
Member
Wyndstryker
Member
I think it's when they start digging up your post history.
If you haven't noticed, XBox console sales aren't imploding, and the Halo franchise sells very well. So no, they shouldn't. But thanks for the thoughtful response.
I love thread backfires
But the OP lives for this stuff. The title is really misleading though and the OP should have known what to expect of it.
They retired guitar hero because people stopped buying it, period. When people buy less Mario, less Mario will be made.
They wouldn't survive without them, but Microsoft wouldn't have survived without Halo, etc. I agree MS and Sony have definitely tried and been a lot more successful with trying new IP's, but people like those Nintendo franchises for many reasons.
For me, I love the 3D Mario games. Love, love, love em. I even can enjoy some 2D Mario, but it's wearing thin at this point. I tried giving Skyward Sword a shot but I just found it so dull. I can't go back to the slow moving text crawl and static reading, just can't do it. I haven't loved a Zelda since Windwaker, but that can change. I have no idea why anyone would want to change Metroid. Metroid is probably the most versatile and modern franchise they have. No other Nintendo series has grown like Metroid. It was a fantastic 2D series that didn't get old, and it was a fantastic FPS series that never got old. How can you beat that?
Nintendo should just try and think of using these franchises in new ways. I'm not saying you have to do something as radical as Metroid 2D to Metroid Prime every time, but games like the NSMB series and Pokemon feel like they can use a kick in the ass sometimes, and Pokemon seems to have gotten that kick with X and Y.
For me, I love the 3D Mario games. Love, love, love em. I even can enjoy some 2D Mario, but it's wearing thin at this point. I tried giving Skyward Sword a shot but I just found it so dull. I can't go back to the slow moving text crawl and static reading, just can't do it. I haven't loved a Zelda since Windwaker, but that can change. I have no idea why anyone would want to change Metroid. Metroid is probably the most versatile and modern franchise they have. No other Nintendo series has grown like Metroid. It was a fantastic 2D series that didn't get old, and it was a fantastic FPS series that never got old. How can you beat that?
Nintendo should just try and think of using these franchises in new ways. I'm not saying you have to do something as radical as Metroid 2D to Metroid Prime every time, but games like the NSMB series and Pokemon feel like they can use a kick in the ass sometimes, and Pokemon seems to have gotten that kick with X and Y.
Miis? Yes. If you don't consider Miis a new IP, then Wii Sports and Wii Fit come to mind. It's just that one of the big fun parts of those games is using Miis. Tamadochi Collection in Japan is a 3.5m selling Animal Crossing/Sims-type game all about Miis.
Wanted to play that game. Motion+ sword-fighting game. Even bought the downloadable ghost/sword-fighting game that used Motion+ (it plays a lot like the 100-swordfighter mode in Wii Sports Resort). Would've loved to get Reginleiv.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Mario still sells very well, and Mario helped bring the 3DS back to life with Mario 3D land, Mario Kart 7 and NSMB2.
But thanks for trying.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
I agree that Mario franchise is being heavily milked by Nintendo and needs a break, but Zelda and Metroid, on the other hand, needs to be reinvented and have major potential.
The cel-shading Zelda needs a break, bring back the realistic visuals from the series. Metroid took a boom with Other M, but it's far from being done.
The cel-shading Zelda needs a break, bring back the realistic visuals from the series. Metroid took a boom with Other M, but it's far from being done.
It can be argued that Mario sales come at the expense of other games on the console, including third party games.
Meccanical
Member
Who cares when people only want Mario?
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Nintendo comes up with a new franchise or game idea at least as often as nearly every other publisher. The "problem" is that nearly all of these ideas end up being really popular, and so Nintendo just keeps adding to a stable of dozens of IPs that are all potential moneymakers. They can't possibly service them all every generation, and so you get some people complaining about missing franchises and others complaining about "rehashes".
Do you see what Activision does with ONE popular franchise? Do you think you'd ever see anything "fresh" from them, ever, if they had THIRTY hit games to choose from?
Do you see what Activision does with ONE popular franchise? Do you think you'd ever see anything "fresh" from them, ever, if they had THIRTY hit games to choose from?
This.
Here is a good place to see wich IPs Nintendo give a shit about :
Mario > Zelda = Pokemon > Kirby = Star Fox > Fire Emblem = DK = Earthbound > Rest
Nintendo cares more about Earthbound than Metroid =P
This.
You better have some proof with numbers from 3rd party games that are similar to Nintendo games, because I don't think someone ever said "Welp not buying Darksiders because of NSMBU".
After Other M, so do I.
this man knows his stuff... +1
goldenpp72
Member
No they shouldn't, Zelda and especially Metroid get way less entries than other popular IP. Mario could use some toning down but, people like it.
Fox Mulder
Member
I disagree that MS and Sony have been more successful with new ips. Nintendogs and Brain Age basically pushed the DS to the heights it saw. The Wii launched and gained much of its success due to the Wii Sports and Wii Fit style games.
They try plenty of new things, even in established franchises like Mario.
Dark Octave
Banned
Boy am I glad OP isn't head of Nintendo. This is how you destroy a company.
Should they change their name as well?
Should they change their name as well?
Beermeister
Banned
Mario Sunshine 2, Wind Waker 2 and Metroid Prime 4. Believe.
ThatObviousUser
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I must have imagined the 60 million sales for the New Super Mario Bros. series.
dragonbane
Member
Those games are still there before and after Mario games come out. Its up to Nintendo to communicate to the public about their other titles outside of the Mario title franchises. Its also up to third parties to do the same for their own titles on Nintendo platforms.
MisterHero
Super Member
They should only retire the 3D ones because they still haven't figured out how 3D makes some people motionsick amirite
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
This. People just dismiss all the new Nintendo ideas that are "not for them", even though their batting average is like .900. Offhand the only big idea from Nintendo that fell flat on its face relatively recently was Wii Music.
You want to compare Guitar Hero with those three games? Ok, let's do this.
Guitar Hero was declining in sales and activision brought this to themselves when they started releasing the game on a year basis. The game didn't have significant changes. Mario games on the other hand have been trying different formulas and different genres to bring new people to the franchise, they tried something new with MeTroid Other M even though the fans didn't like it and LoZ: SS tried a combination of WW and TP with a few tweaks so...I don't know what you're on about. And these are game that sell by the millions and have a huge fanbase.
You want third party to shine? When you are developer cancelling a game on a Nintendo system, when this game is finished and when there's no visible competition on the horizont to compete with, only for it to be realeased on other systems...is that kind of shine you're mentioning?
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
AND all of these franchises you want "retired" get one, maybe two entries per console. How many Call of Dutys did we get in a single generation? Guitar Heros? Rock Bands? Uncharteds? Mass Effects?
I will say that Zelda needs a reboot, but this is a pretty silly idea that we hear far too much. Mario is fine. Sure his face is on everything Nintendo, but dies that affect your opinion of the game? Would SMG be any less amazing with a different mascot? Anyone else in that game and it doesn't even resemble a 3D Mario outside of the fact its a platformer.
Pretty much, its why the casual audience didn't give two farts about PSABR.