TalesOfWin
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nintendo should retire Mario for a while, but not Zelda and Metroid.
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Nintendo should retire Mario, Zelda and Metroid
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pants
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Having no vested interest in Nintendo's continued survival, sure yes please. I've not liked any of the three franchises since SNES days so them focusing all their A teams on new stuff would lure me back I'm sure. If I cared about the well being of Nintendo going forward however, I would point out that this is an incredibly silly idea financially.
Davey Cakes
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There are admittedly too many Mario games on the market, even if a large portion of them are magnificent and varied by genre. Then again, they are a safety net for Nintendo.
Zelda is definitely a different case. To me, it's like an eternal franchise. It expands and grows as it goes on through the ages. Whether divisive or not, it's a great vehicle for experimentation with both new gaming trends and "tried and true" gameplay mechanics and structure. At the rate that console Zelda games are released, I'm happy to continue supporting the franchise. Each game is far enough apart, and is relatively distinct in some way from the one before it.
Metroid doesn't need to be retired. If anything, it just needs revitalization. Metroid: Other M was a failed experiment. They really need to make another 2D game to re-establish good will within the fanbase. The fact that Zero Mission happened and yet we haven't seen another game like it since is a travesty.
Zelda is definitely a different case. To me, it's like an eternal franchise. It expands and grows as it goes on through the ages. Whether divisive or not, it's a great vehicle for experimentation with both new gaming trends and "tried and true" gameplay mechanics and structure. At the rate that console Zelda games are released, I'm happy to continue supporting the franchise. Each game is far enough apart, and is relatively distinct in some way from the one before it.
Metroid doesn't need to be retired. If anything, it just needs revitalization. Metroid: Other M was a failed experiment. They really need to make another 2D game to re-establish good will within the fanbase. The fact that Zero Mission happened and yet we haven't seen another game like it since is a travesty.
NaughtyCalibur
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Retire? No. Spend a bit more time and money reviving its older franchises? Sure.
Always-honest
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Yes, and while they're at it, other devs should stop making Call of Duty, GTA, GT, Forza, Halo, Gears of War, The Sims, FF, BF, etc.
In fact: stop making games. Think of another way of entertainment.
In fact: stop making games. Think of another way of entertainment.
Holy Order Sol
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People are so quick to dismiss anything as a rehash/more of the same, it's not just Nintendo games actually, sometimes you see that shit after a single installment.
Samurai-Don
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Why would they do that when Mario game makes Nintendo money? Come on use your brain here because this is basic business 101.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
NSMBU and 3D Land were absolutely amazing.
Terrible, terrible OP.
Now, building the new franchises? Absolutely. Even reviving them like they did with Kid Icarus I'm fine with. But retiring? No way.
Davey Cakes
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Have you played Mario, Zelda, or Metroid games in the last decade? There have been A LOT of good ones.
Smiles and Cries
Member
the Miiverse Zelda series just blew up and people want it retired?
that miiverse community is amazing right now
that miiverse community is amazing right now
*yawn*
I want Nintendo to make more Mario, Zelda and Metroid games. You know why? Because they are fairly consistant in quality. Sure, there is always the odd release which gets discussed to death (Sunshine, Other M, the DS Zelda's etc.) but overall people want this stuff becaus they are good.
I want good games, so no
I want Nintendo to make more Mario, Zelda and Metroid games. You know why? Because they are fairly consistant in quality. Sure, there is always the odd release which gets discussed to death (Sunshine, Other M, the DS Zelda's etc.) but overall people want this stuff becaus they are good.
I want good games, so no
Stopped reading there. Let's all join together, point at this man, and laugh at this blatant falsehood.
In terms of both sales and quality (i.e. the only things that matter) your argument fails dramatically. I get wanting new IPs, I really do, but this isn't a smart way to pave the way for them.
famfrit
Member
this one.
captmcblack
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Nintendo shouldn't retire them at all.
Nintendo should fill its genre gaps itself, though - that way, silly people can have something else to distract them so they can delude themselves into thinking there was any more or less use of those IPs than there always has been since the 80s.
Nintendo should fill its genre gaps itself, though - that way, silly people can have something else to distract them so they can delude themselves into thinking there was any more or less use of those IPs than there always has been since the 80s.
dreamer3kx
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Too many good memories with these franchise's, no way, I want more, Big N forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HbB4PmLviY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HbB4PmLviY
youngwerther
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OP is either trolling or retarded.
BeautIP is only skin deep?
But you're right in many ways. As much as we like to think that new IPs sell a lot and have a lot of draw, they don't.
Also, a lot of gamers don't know what gameplay is or how to appreciate gameplay design. It's the truth. Start looking for the signs.
Anyone pick up Dillian's Rollin Western when it came out?
Anyone?
I see.
Lambda Pie
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and how many Wiis did it actually move?
game came out in late 2009, by 2010 Wii was already in decline (nearly 20% less sales according to NPD, can't remember the other territories).
a full year in the market and the console actually sold less, what a draw, haha.
DeaconKnowledge
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Is this thread the next gen version of "With Wii Cafe, is it time for Mario and classic Nintendo franchises to evolve?" 
Totally agreed. Even if the core knows the different between the different games with the Mario imprint on it, it'd still be a good idea to slow their roll with those games so people aren't thinking Nintendo is doubling down with "rehashed" software and themes. Zelda is spaced out well enough, taking prominence when it's rolling around then going dormant while the market digests the current entry. Metroid though, it's only issue is that after Other M, they need to find a way to cut the chafe and get back to precisely what was liked about Super/Prime and building a new game from that while building back the trust in the brand.
Seriously, use Star Fox. Use F-Zero. Use Kirby. Use the oft forgotten sporting franchises that don't have Mushroom Kingdom members in it (1080, Wave Race, Pilotwings divorced from Mii aesthetics). Use retro stuff that can be fleshed out accordingly a la Kid Icarus Uprising and fill niches that are under served or non-existant. (Action game? Use the Murasame Castle/Takamaru IP. Need a complimentary adventure romp while the brain trust at EAD3 spends the next 3 years working up a frenzy? Get in touch with Retro and use StarTropics.)
When all else fails, advertise your newer IPs with the same kind of prominence as you would a Mario/Zelda/Metroid affair when reasonable.
Totally agreed. Even if the core knows the different between the different games with the Mario imprint on it, it'd still be a good idea to slow their roll with those games so people aren't thinking Nintendo is doubling down with "rehashed" software and themes. Zelda is spaced out well enough, taking prominence when it's rolling around then going dormant while the market digests the current entry. Metroid though, it's only issue is that after Other M, they need to find a way to cut the chafe and get back to precisely what was liked about Super/Prime and building a new game from that while building back the trust in the brand.
Seriously, use Star Fox. Use F-Zero. Use Kirby. Use the oft forgotten sporting franchises that don't have Mushroom Kingdom members in it (1080, Wave Race, Pilotwings divorced from Mii aesthetics). Use retro stuff that can be fleshed out accordingly a la Kid Icarus Uprising and fill niches that are under served or non-existant. (Action game? Use the Murasame Castle/Takamaru IP. Need a complimentary adventure romp while the brain trust at EAD3 spends the next 3 years working up a frenzy? Get in touch with Retro and use StarTropics.)
When all else fails, advertise your newer IPs with the same kind of prominence as you would a Mario/Zelda/Metroid affair when reasonable.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
LOL this thread is getting good.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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That's a negative Ghost Rider.
kitchenmotors
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Can we retire your thread making privileges?
eXistor
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Mario getting a bit too much time in the spotlight, but as long as the quality is there, it's nothing to panic over, especially given the fact that he stars in so many genres outside of platforming. I wonder if Nintendo has it in them to make a new IP good enough to proudly stand amongst their classics. The last one they did was Pikmin and maybe Xenoblade. Mario and all are fine and I never want to stop seeing them though.
Holy Order Sol
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Seriously. I have been through last gen without playing a single FPS. I didn't suffer from the alleged CoD clone overload yet I found more than enough games to play on various platforms. You don't see me crying about how the genre/trend needs to die.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
It's the next-gen console warz craziness. Enjoy it while it lasts.
way to move the goal post. In your original post, you were saying sales for these franchise are in decline and games are creatively limiting which is why they are should be retired. Both points are proven false. Now it becomes to let 3rd party shine? really?
And Nintendo should retire Mario because Mario games sell less than Halo? I'm not sure I got your point.
Mr. Saturn
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This topic doesn't even make sense, okay retiring Mario, I can kind of understand, but I figure it'd be better to just stop making so many spin off games, or at least make them without Mario.
As for Zelda, there were only two games released last generation on the Wii, and one of them was a Gamecube port. Yes, there was Link's Crossbow training but that was only one spin off, not nearly as bad Mario.
Metroid had only one game released last generation on the Wii.
So it's not like these franchises are being whored out nearly as much as people seem to think, although you could make a case for Mario.
As for Zelda, there were only two games released last generation on the Wii, and one of them was a Gamecube port. Yes, there was Link's Crossbow training but that was only one spin off, not nearly as bad Mario.
Metroid had only one game released last generation on the Wii.
So it's not like these franchises are being whored out nearly as much as people seem to think, although you could make a case for Mario.
Why would you do that?
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While you make a fair point, keep in mind Mario Kart Wii is the best selling game of all time (I think) and that Mario 3, the previous best selling non-bundled game ever, was eclipsed by several Wii and DS Mario franchise titles in the last few years.
Also, Nintendo DS really started taking off after Mario Kart, New SMB, and DS Lite. (Also Animal Crossing and Brain Age, for complete fairness.)
User 73706
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We need a Metroid side-scrolling "MMO" similar to Terrarria or Minecraft. That is, randomly-generated worlds with different biomes and powerups, bosses, and so on, that people can explore freely (possibly adding in a component to create your Hunter and select an alignment and so on).
Basically, Dark Souls meets Terraria meets Borderlands meets Super Metroid.
Basically, Dark Souls meets Terraria meets Borderlands meets Super Metroid.
I think he thinks Nintendo only makes consoles and no handheld.
TunaMarshmallow
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Yes. Agreed. If i was continuing to make ridiculous sums of money from X, I would retire X.
TalesOfWin
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Whoring out Mario didnt help the gamecube. They need to establish new ips.
TreasureHunterG
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This is not argument for franchise overmilking.
It's funny because it's cool to hate on COD because of the countless sequels and franchise milking but if Nintendo does the same, there's nothing wrong.