Dark Cloud
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Probably because Nintendo doesn't want them to announce it? 😂
Man, don't you love those doomsday fellas?
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Mind giving us the skinny on the situation? I haven't been following it.
Likely because they announced the project without even knowing at first what the platform was gonna be. The Inazuma Eleven anime was more profitable than the game, so they announced the cross-media project showing the anime first.
This should be a thread.Okay, it's now pretty much confirmed that Inazuma Eleven Ares is a Switch game, as...there's not really any other option.
Hino revealed first screens of the game (barely started development with no release date) :
As you can see, it can't really be a 3DS game with that level of graphics. So there was two options left : mobile and Switch. But it's not the former either as Hino showed a few minutes later that there will be a companion app on mobile, implying that the main game won't be one :
So there it is, you have one Level-5 game in development.
I made a deal of it, yes. Not sure if I'm who you're talking about. I was very much worried about 3DS support continuing and still am.
Good on her. She has definitely given us enough crumbs to nibble on till January
Dark Cloud
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Not sure if it was you. I would expect 3DS support to die down, honestly.
I think 3DS will get its support through 2017 and that's it.
People are desperate for news about anything Switch related. If you make a new thread with this new news it'll probably blow up.
Dunno, we know next to nothing about the game and there's still no official confirmation or rumors about this one. It may be better to keep it for this thread.
Dark Cloud
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This is your big chance to be an insider though 😎
Yeah the worry is where it goes next. Mobile (a la way Level-5 had been talking)? PS (a la MH5 rumors)? Dies?
I mean Switch is a much higher production values device than 3DS; Switch has yet to prove it can sell as install base 0, minimal catalog handheld in Japan; PS4 has all those western sales and Japan looks a sinking ship; etc. I think Nintendo needs to convince Japanese thirds that Switch is going to be a thing and make it a thing through their support.
Okay, it's now pretty much confirmed that Inazuma Eleven Ares is a Switch game, as...there's not really any other option.
Hino revealed first screens of the game (barely started development with no release date) :
As you can see, it can't really be a 3DS game with that level of graphics. So there was two options left : mobile and Switch. But it's not the former either as Hino showed a few minutes later that there will be a companion app on mobile, implying that the main game won't be one :
So there it is, you have one Level-5 game in development.
Don't know, if they remove the 3D i think that graphics is still achievable on 3DS, doesn't look that different from Pokemon Sun and Moon for example, of course tha doesn't exclude a Switch version too
Snap, that's a good idea. I better prepare my vaguely hinting tweets and the papers for the mod verification.
It's in HD so we're already sure it's not 3DS. Plus, it won't release until at least Late 2017, probably early 2018, the 3DS will be dead in the water by then.
I think Switch will make pretty well in Japan, it's the smaller home console ever and it's also an handheld which they love, plus all Nintendo exclusives
To promote the game they use better resolution assets, they did that with Sun and Moon too if i recall correctly, not saying it won't be on Switch, just that a 3DS version is also likely to me, since the 3DS installed base is too huge to abandon already and also those screens clearly show dual screen gameplay
Pokémon Sun & Moon looks just like it always looked since the first trailers IIRC.
They are not the same screens too, they are two 16:9 different screens. They were shown one after one.
Glass Rebel
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Yes, that much is obvious. My question is why? Like, is someone gonna die?
Marketing people are lunatics, is all I'm saying.
The new Inazuma Eleven is obviously a Switch game
They won't announce the new Inazuma Eleven as a Switch game
Yeah, there are reasons for its success. I just hope they carry the day. What does the market for a new handheld look like today? Mobile is more mature than when 3DS came around.
As I've said, I think Switch has the potential to be best thing for Japan since the OG DS with its ability to have Nintendo "shared" catalog and 3DS/PS shared catalog. It's a question of making good on that potential by courting third parties and having a healthy install base. Two things which are greatly intertwined.
I really want Switch to land well.
Didnt it work also with the extra analog for 3DS? Also, people actually said that because of the touch control it was uncomfortable.
I would love to see it. It deserves another chance.
Skittzo0413
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I imagine the thought process is-
Nintendo's presentation is about a month away, and they want to save as many new announcements as possible for that event so that it seems like they have more new, unannounced games.
It doesn't really fool people like us who are searching through every single game announcement and discussion to see if it might be coming to platform X, but this is going to be a very big presentation tailored to many different people.
Dark Cloud
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I think you're over worrying. Nintendos handhelds have always done great in Japan and has great third party support. For all intents and purposes the Switch will replace the 3DS Japan as the new go to handheld. It will have all of Nintendos games to sell it in Japan. PS4 is strictly a console and that's why it's doing bad. Nintendo did good with making the Switch a portable to for Japan.
DrROBschiz
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For launch????
No idea
I really hope we get a Switch version fast and that it looks amazing!
Glass Rebel
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But see...
The people that would be "fooled" by not announcing the platform aren't gonna be watching for this anyway. So what's the point really.
Hero of Legend
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I'm pretty confident, especially with PSX coming and going with no word on MH, means that the series looks to still be sticking around with Nintendo to me, especially after a dedicated Direct just happened before.
A Switch port of XX is a no-brainer. As you said they did it with MH3U on Wii U, and XX is pretty conveniently releasing in the same month that the Switch is.
Jan 12th Switch event with XX Switch announced for launch and MH5 as a Switch-exclusive sounds likely to me, just like the 3DS 2011 Fall Conference when MH3G and MH4 were announced for 3DS.
Skittzo0413
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They might wind up seeing it in the news somewhere before the event. It sort of lessens the impact if it's known before than if all of the bombs are dropped at once.
I don't know how well any of these effects work or anything but I'm assuming this is the marketing plan.
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Yeah unannounced features are certainly another possible reason.
Dark Cloud
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It was interesting we didn't see certain companies at the PSX like Square. Didn't they say we'd see FFVIIR in January? If they did maybe it'll be at the event.
There's some marketing contract between Sony and Square about FFVIIR so don't count on it.
Dark Cloud
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I do think, as I've said before, Switch is, conceptually, exactly the device Nintendo should be making. Moreover, rumors suggest good specs and price and perhaps even battery now for what it is. I hope those all pan out. Actualization of this conceptual potential and hardware potential in software and sales is another thing, and I am very much wanting Jan 12th to be a huge blowout as to why Japan should go for another handheld and not just game on phones. Nintendo needs to sell this device and part of that is getting developers behind it before it's a thing, which goes against Nintendo's stated historical modus operandi. Then you hear things like what Level-5 was saying, being very bullish on mobile and meek on console and it starts to look like Nintendo is having some trouble building a coalition.
This inazuma 11 thing if it pans out is a great sign.
Skittzo0413
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Yes, less powerful than PS4 and XB1 in raw power is the current rumor. Speculation puts the GPU at 500-700Gflops max when docked, with a CPU potentially more powerful than PS4/XB1's and the rumors say 4GB RAM with 3.2 usable for games. Tegra can take advantage of FP16 code with twice the performance, so depending on how many games can use that (UE4 uses a lot apparently) the GPU will be punching above its weight.
So a UE4 game like FFVIIR should definitely run on the Switch, though likely downgraded a bit from the PS4 version.
KratosEnergyDrink
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No one here could say (or is allowed to say) how powerful Switch is, it will likely be less powerful than PS4/XOne (GPU,RAM), even when some aspects of the system are more powerful (CPU) because PS4/XOne both have relatively slow CPUs. Regardless Switch can run FF15 for sure, the only question is if there must be made minor or medium graphical downgrades.
FFXV wouldn't run because of the Luminous Engine, but there shouldn't be any problems for games using more common engines like UE4. Luckily, FFVIIR is one of them.
Okami Haundo
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I think I got a bit confused here. In relation to 3DS games on Switch I was referring to a Virtual Console version, not an HD remaster.
As for the Wii-mote functionality and IR sensors, I just posted about that in the Jimmy Fallon thread.
My thoughts are that the tech will primarily be used to approximate multi-touch when the console is docked or the joy-cons are detached; At least for games made primarily for Switch. I'd imagine they could have stopped there, but the rumors make it sound like they just went all the way to make the joy-con the Wii-remote 3.0. As a side-effect, they could definitely use that to justify Wii Virtual Console games without making people buy new hardware!
Okay, it's now pretty much confirmed that Inazuma Eleven Ares is a Switch game, as...there's not really any other option.
Hino revealed first screens of the game (barely started development with no release date) :
As you can see, it can't really be a 3DS game with that level of graphics. So there was two options left : mobile and Switch. But it's not the former either as Hino showed a few minutes later that there will be a companion app on mobile, implying that the main game won't be one :
So there it is, you have one Level-5 game in development.
Man, this screen looks great. I was always intrigued by the series
Captain Tsubasa da best
Astral Dog
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Switchwill be a Godsend
Okay, it's now pretty much confirmed that Inazuma Eleven Ares is a Switch game, as...there's not really any other option.
Hino revealed first screens of the game (barely started development with no release date) :
As you can see, it can't really be a 3DS game with that level of graphics. So there was two options left : mobile and Switch. But it's not the former either as Hino showed a few minutes later that there will be a companion app on mobile, implying that the main game won't be one :
So there it is, you have one Level-5 game in development.
Just curious, why couldn't this be a PS4 game or even a Vita game?
The series has never been on a non-Nintendo console (not counting mobile and PC).
darkness_s
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The HDMI Alt Mode for USB Type-C only supports HDMI 1.4b and I believe that HDR requires at minimum HDMI 2.0a. So if Nintendo is using that, HDR would not be possible.
This thought operates under the false assumption that companies are mandated to maximize the potential of hardware.
I fully expect the next Ace Attorney game on Switch, for example. But I don't expect it to render the stubble on Phoenix's face or individual beads of sweat on a witness when they lie, or epic bloom lighting.
We've been led to think there's no room for those kinds of games at retail for consoles. But if they released the next AA game on Switch at the price of a 3DS game and built it to a similar scope, I doubt anyone would bat an eyelash.
That's a mischaracterization.
There's "every game must maximize hardware" and "every game must look fitting on said hardware."
Put a 3DS game, say, SMTIV, as a full fledged PS4 release and people are going to look at it funny. Put a game that is a slightly up-ported PS3 game, say, Persona 5, on PS4 and it is fine.
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It's a messy line, but I fully expect Switch to be pushing production values further and there is a question of how much tension that puts in traditional 3DS lines of support. Perhaps not much. Perhaps it is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
I think this thinking is a problem. The game should stand on the merits of it's gameplay and just because a game CAN look super duper spectacular, doesn't mean it has to. There is room for lower tier games as much as super high-fidelity stuff. I would hope that companies making games for the NS are bullied or pressured into increasing their budget by some silly amount just to appease some folks who feel like they NEED the best possible graphics on a system. Developers should make the game they can make within their budget. This idea that games should be chasing "spectacular" graphics on higher end hardware is messing the industry up.
Gamers don't help, either, since they see something that looks like a 3DS game on the PS4 and start talking about how the game looks like crap or is crap and the like. It's crazy. I hope that developers who make 3DS games currently who move to the NS stick to their guns and continue to make the games they make without worrying about that sort of thing. If they want to go all out because the hardware allows them to, then that's fine. However, I don't think it should be a requirement.
HappyBivouac
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Disgaea 5 on ps4 performed, and it's not exactly a technical marvel. The sprites are nice, but they're sprites, and the environments are low-poly as hell. It's a niche franchise, but it was a success and its not treated as some kind of joke.
perfectchaos007
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I feel like Switch is Nintendos last chance to push themselves into the console market. If they still want to pretend they are a blue ocean product fine...they can get just as much blue ocean success as the Wii U. Bottom line is this thing needs to move 50 million units or more in its life cycle
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