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NEXT LEVEL lame™
They'll still make a killing. I saw one of the Nintendo autists once unironically say they were convinced people just lie about Nintendo online being bad.
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Nintendo Switch Expansion Pass priced at $49.99 a year, increasing the price by $30 a year
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Cutty Flam
Banned
To the untrained eye (I don't play PC games, last console purchased before Switch was in 2008) the input lag for OoT and SM64 doesn't look like an issue. Looks like what you could expect from the N64 versions
But that Mario Kart 64 lag is horrendous. I don't get it, MK8 Deluxe doesn't have lag from the games that I have played online, why does MK4 get the short end of the stick in terms of its netcode? This is the issue with the NSO subscription, they almost don't have a right to call it online when we're talking about the NES, SNES, and now N64 + Genesis retro games because there is no matchmaking, it’s difficult to even PLAY online bc the friend code system is not user friendly; there is no way to communicate w/ each other
That's the one complaint, Nintendo is so cheap with their provided online service. They need to change this
But that Mario Kart 64 lag is horrendous. I don't get it, MK8 Deluxe doesn't have lag from the games that I have played online, why does MK4 get the short end of the stick in terms of its netcode? This is the issue with the NSO subscription, they almost don't have a right to call it online when we're talking about the NES, SNES, and now N64 + Genesis retro games because there is no matchmaking, it’s difficult to even PLAY online bc the friend code system is not user friendly; there is no way to communicate w/ each other
That's the one complaint, Nintendo is so cheap with their provided online service. They need to change this
Cutty Flam
Banned
Did they increase the resolution for the NSO on OoT?
TLZ
Banned
Damn. I hope no one defends this.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Sorry to spoil the party pooping, but the lag shown here in OoT and Mario 64 really doesn’t look like a dealbreaker to me. People were making similar videos on the Switch version of Hollow Knight and the game played perfectly fine - heck, the lag shown in those videos looked even worse iirc. Sure, if you’re used to speed running on original hardware then yeah, I bet it feels sluggier, but really doesn’t look as bad as this person wants to make it look.
Online lag is clearly awful though, no question.
BTW, the “people with shitty Internet” comment is... legit? The code clearly needs more work, but I’ve had online Switch sessions with Smash, etc that were flawless and others where it all crawled down to 5fps or so. That’s not “defending” the service, ffs.
Darlingcognito
Member
SoggyBiscuit
Banned
Lol is the the 4p discount per days of subscription remaining? I saw that and thought wow, how generous.
It also cancels whatever current sub you have I think. What a joke.
TheDreadLord
Member
At a first glance the emulation looks alright but yeah… there are many issues. To start, the input lag is horrendous. The image quality is somewhat weird as it is like they bumped up contrast and that’s all.Not even worth mentioning the online multiplayer and the controller pre-order non-sense.
TLZ
Banned
What's wrong with the controller preorder?
CuteFaceJay
Member
Worst deal in gaming!
TheDuskwalker
Member
Yeah, the Mario 64 input lag doesn't seem especially awful, but is worse than the 3D All Stars version. OoT however, he posted a direct comparison, that does look pretty poor to me, however the OoT emulation on this seems jank in general at the moment compared to the others included. I was going to post a image, but a few posts above me already showed it, some messed up textures and missing effects in parts among other things. Hopefully they fix it up in the future.
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TheDreadLord
Member
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The emulation is a bit of a step down compared to the standalone Super Mario 3D collection:
*NSO on the left side
All or most of the pre rendered items and UI elements have not received the likely ML based upscaling Nintendo did for the collection. I would say play the collection one if you have it.
TLZ
Banned
True.
Party McHardy
Member
I barely use the original tier as is but fear of missing out has me resubbing every year. Adding value would make me feel better but no, they jacked up the price. Voting no with my wallet.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Is it upscaling? 3D Allstars Collection had redone assets in multiple places. Anything that is a flat sprite, or logo go redone.The emulation is a bit of a step down compared to the standalone Super Mario 3D collection:
*NSO on the left side
All or most of the pre rendered items and UI elements have not received the likely ML based upscaling Nintendo did for the collection. I would say play the collection one if you have it.
Needlecrash
Member
Not to mention, the western countries get the Genesis 3 button controller.
Japan? 6 BUTTON.
THE FUCK.
spons
Member
What the hell went wrong and why is Microsoft the only ones doing BC correctly? Surely Nintendo can hire some skilled engineers to do this properly.
Edit: I'm actually quite appalled by this. They have the complete design documents for the system, yet fucked it up regardless.
Edit: I'm actually quite appalled by this. They have the complete design documents for the system, yet fucked it up regardless.
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TheDreadLord
Member
Terrible decision. Why not just releasing the 6 button controller for all markets as it fits all (ALL) the games much better?
Needlecrash
Member
That's what I'm saying!! It makes more sense to do it this way. You're alienating your non Japanese install base by offering an inferior product.
Kataploom
Gold Member
"Defend", lol @ people getting emotional with toys not being what they want, but whatever, I've not seen anyone "defend" (lol) anything, just a handful of people paying for it and being done with it cause they actually seem to play games. BTW this is not even close in value to SM3DSA for most so most if not all the comments I read are throwing shit at it, specially now with all the problems it has
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Whoa
… one of the most popular/famous N64 games and of a limited selection they made available… shocking…
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I think it's also important to note that the bar for N64 emulation is MUCH higher now than it was a couple years ago, too. Playing m64p with Parallel-rdp is like better than perfect, real, low-level N64 emulation. I am not gonna pay money for the kind of old school dookie N64 emulation I could get on a raspberry pi.
Stoneberg7
Neo Member
I'm not surprised. Just disappointed.
Basically my attitude with Nintendo since the original eShop wouldn't transfer purchases between the Wii and WiiU/3DS.
Umbasaborne
Banned
On a side note, they should just make ocarina of time and majoras mask 3d in hd. We know from miitopia that hd 3ds games hold up reasonably well, do it nintendo!
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SCB3
Member
Just port over the 3DS versions, upscale them and make the touch controls a menu again, not the hardest thing to do, I'd buy them
On a side note, they should just make ocarina of time and majoras mask 3d in hd. We know from miitopia that hd 3ds games hold up reasonably well, do it nintendo!
I'm not going to get rid of our Switch (or games / accessories), but I think my house is done buying Nintendo products for the rest of this generation. This pricing model is kind of insulting to me after I've already paid MSRP for any games on this service that I might try once or twice. Enough is enough on the price gouging for old games.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Funny how the worst enemy for all these remasters remains the same: fog.
It was there for a reason. Remove that and you ruin the game. That OoT image is painful.
Reminds me of Silent Hill 2 remaster on the PS3 lmao.
It was there for a reason. Remove that and you ruin the game. That OoT image is painful.
Reminds me of Silent Hill 2 remaster on the PS3 lmao.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
More and more I'm glad I held on to some of my favorite older systems and games.
If it's not poor emulation, then it's stuff like this, which popped up in the Collection of SaGa rerelease:
If it's not poor emulation, then it's stuff like this, which popped up in the Collection of SaGa rerelease:
TheGodfather07
Member
Pc. Look at the fog in the background nice depth effect.
Nintendo switch HERP DI DERP
Same nice fog on the 3DS version
and android emulation
Fucking $50 a year
running on my OG hardware
This is unacceptable from Nintendo. How you gonna have the worst version of your own games on your own damn hardware? Nintendo are the most successful they have ever been, yet they are putting in the least amount of effort they ever have. They get a pass compared to sony or Microsoft who are criticised to death for any little mistake they make.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
So the Genesis stuff is 9 games for an extra $30 a year. Or you can buy a physical cartridge with 50 Genesis games on it (and a way more rad loading screen) for $30 and keep them forever physically.
Looks like the N64 offerings are equally lackluster.
Looks like the N64 offerings are equally lackluster.
Jsisto
Member
The genesis collection on the shop is incredible. Makes it all the more confusing why Nintendo went this route instead of say, N64 and game boy. There’s literally a far superior genesis right there. It’s insulting to the intelligence of people who know better.