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Nintendo want every developer to publish on wii u
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Console architecture =! Consumer PC architecture. Please for the love of god would everyone who uses this inane argument please stop.
Console architecture =! Consumer PC architecture. Please for the love of god would everyone who uses this inane argument please stop.
Console architecture isn´t more expensive than PC architecture. You have no idea what you are talking about.
IrishNinja
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^he's right! RAM is like $8 on newegg
ohhh take that, Pikmin 3, Zombi-U, Wonderful 101 & most notable releases!
ohhh take that, Pikmin 3, Zombi-U, Wonderful 101 & most notable releases!
You can be humble and wrong, or condescending and correct, you can't be condescending and wrong, it's unbelievably obnoxious.
Console architecture =! Consumer PC architecture. Please for the love of god would everyone who uses this inane argument please stop.
The WiiU could have shipped the exact same date, and had a far more powerful machine had it not had the uPad, and not concerned itself with backwards compatibility.
Or a a merge of forces and have the Inspectah Control-Deck edition.
lol
shinra-bansho
Member
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It's sort of like saying "I want a six pack, but have no intention of going to the gym."
I like that he specifically lists...
and then trails off into "among others." Especially when it's pretty clear two of them are moving away and SEGA's basically being bought. Could have just listed Activision as well and then it would have basically covered everybody.
Yup. First post dat.
The time for the WiiU and 3rd parties is gone. And for good reason, I'm absolutely positive the "vicious cycle" of WiiU owners not buying 3rd party games because 3rd parties don't bring games to their system, starts and stops at the WiiU owners. Sure their attach rate is whatever it is but, what games are they? Most likely Nintendo games. Nintendo owners, buy Nintendo games. And it would take drastic action to reverse that, EA isn't helping either.
I love Nintendo. I love my Wii U.
I also realize that public statements may not really reveal what a company thinks or realizes.
That said, if Nintendo truly believes that a strong holiday 2013 (which is a rather large assumption in itself) will revive third-party interest in the system, then they're sorely mistaken.
-Third parties are still wary that Nintendo console buyers are only into Nintendo games, whether or not that is a valid assumption.
-The amount of time and resources it would take for a third-party (already stretched thin by cross-gen) to create a development pipeline for the Wii U would not be worth the investment and we certainly wouldn't see anything unique for a singular system with an install base that will never match other current-gen (360/PS3) levels.
-Furthermore, we as consumers wouldn't even see the fruit of renewed interest until a year later, which means the system will continue to limp along from Nintendo release to Nintendo release in the meantime.
I also realize that public statements may not really reveal what a company thinks or realizes.
That said, if Nintendo truly believes that a strong holiday 2013 (which is a rather large assumption in itself) will revive third-party interest in the system, then they're sorely mistaken.
-Third parties are still wary that Nintendo console buyers are only into Nintendo games, whether or not that is a valid assumption.
-The amount of time and resources it would take for a third-party (already stretched thin by cross-gen) to create a development pipeline for the Wii U would not be worth the investment and we certainly wouldn't see anything unique for a singular system with an install base that will never match other current-gen (360/PS3) levels.
-Furthermore, we as consumers wouldn't even see the fruit of renewed interest until a year later, which means the system will continue to limp along from Nintendo release to Nintendo release in the meantime.
Can you make it backwards compatible with Wii, under 35 watts in a small, silent box and have money left for a beast of a controller?
Im not saying Im agreeing with Nintendos priorities, but comparing it with PCs is silly.
Prince Vultan
Banned
Wii U needs food badly.
kubricks
Member
Well play lol.
No, but that was exactly the point.
shinra-bansho
Member
There's slightly more nuance than that I imagine.
It's more that the Wii U's owners are only buying some Nintendo published games and certain types of third party published games in any meaningful quantity. It's a relatively valid assumption when one looks at the little software data we do get on here. And considering publishers get far more data from the likes of NPD and Gfk than we do on here it's probably empirically proven rather than just assumption for them.
I recognize this is PR, and thus they can't simply say, "welp, we're boned."
But we they could do is explain what they're doing to make things better. Here are the improvements we're making to our network infrastructure; here are incentives we'll be offering in the future; here is our outreach to indies.
Of course, those sorts of initiatives are the sorts of things that don't bear fruit for years, but at this point any realistic observer knows they're starting from square 1, and they aren't magically, suddenly going to be on step 10 just because they say or hope they are.
But we they could do is explain what they're doing to make things better. Here are the improvements we're making to our network infrastructure; here are incentives we'll be offering in the future; here is our outreach to indies.
Of course, those sorts of initiatives are the sorts of things that don't bear fruit for years, but at this point any realistic observer knows they're starting from square 1, and they aren't magically, suddenly going to be on step 10 just because they say or hope they are.
Oh no doubt that empirically it plays out that way. But there are valid questions of why that problem exists, how it came to evolve, and what can be done about it. No doubt Nintendo fans and the company itself helped burn third-party bridges, but then you also had "test games" and shitty, gimped efforts by third-parties throughout the last three generations that essentially poisoned the well too, to the point where even decent third-party ports or exclusives didn't get a chance from Nintendo fans like they should.
Maybe, maybe not but i certainly wouldn´t because the stuff you listed is completely irrelevant and giving it priority over important things like powerful, easily programmable hardware is a sign of incompetence.
They should be completely transparent though.
"After a continued effort, it has become clear third parties have decided to go in a more traditional direction, and are once again favoring a larger technology leap. We believe in our vision for the Wii U, and regardless of the stance of our publishing partners, we will support the system as best we can. The Wii U's future is bright for Nintendo fans."
Or whatever.
The constant talk of their placement changing in publisher's eyes is embarrassing at best, outright deceptive at worst.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
If Nintendo's meaning "we're getting more multiplatform stuff next year", then they're wasting the fans time and their own. They need legitimate exclusive games.
Luckily these are not mutually exclusive. Not that they're getting any significant 3rd party support outside of indies.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Huge props to Sega, Ubisoft and WB Games for still supporting Nintendo. But the handling of let's say Injustice is ridiculous.
Guess Sega is the only one willing to really help.
Guess Sega is the only one willing to really help.
I think they need Exclusive & Multi games.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
The handling thus far of Injustice is embarassing, but I'm pretty sure Sony had something to do with us not getting an XBox One and a Wii U port for the Ultimate version.
Whitechocolatekrispies
Banned
They said it wrong. They should of said "Nintendo wants it's developers to publish on every system so they actually reach an audience and remain relevant".
Seriously they could have over a billion dollars in sales if they made a Mario game for the PS4/Xbone.
Seriously they could have over a billion dollars in sales if they made a Mario game for the PS4/Xbone.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
PS4 and Vita version definitely smells fishy. Maybe it's some timed exclusive.
It was also the Sony blog which was the one to reveal the ultimate edition first.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Sribblenauts? That WiiU game that WB wouldn't release in Europe, despite the game being 100% ready to go?
Going third party is crazy talk, they still dominate the handheld market, and they can't sustain two platforms anyway, handheld-only is Nintendo's future, going third party would cripple the viability of the 3DS follow up for the core audience.
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shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not sure why people are under the impression that Ubisoft and WBIE will be any different from the other publishers going forward. SEGA is getting hats made of money for their Sonic games.
Things WBIE aren't publishing on the Wii U:
Mad Max
Dying Light
Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition
Things Ubisoft aren't publishing on the Wii U:
The Crew
The Division
Valiant Hearts: The Great War
I imagine Ubisoft have a new Prince of Persia and Far Cry 4 also in development and I doubt they'll see the Wii U.
Likewise I doubt whatever Rocksteady is working on for WBIE will grace the system.
Also, I highly doubt anyone had to pay WBIE anything to prevent a Wii U version.
Things WBIE aren't publishing on the Wii U:
Mad Max
Dying Light
Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition
Things Ubisoft aren't publishing on the Wii U:
The Crew
The Division
Valiant Hearts: The Great War
I imagine Ubisoft have a new Prince of Persia and Far Cry 4 also in development and I doubt they'll see the Wii U.
Likewise I doubt whatever Rocksteady is working on for WBIE will grace the system.
Also, I highly doubt anyone had to pay WBIE anything to prevent a Wii U version.
it's nice to want things
All this games 2014 and still there is a chance for Nintendo to get it day one if they increase Wii U sales.
Whitechocolatekrispies
Banned
Okay well I was talking about consoles not handhelds. Your right the 3DS is still doing well. But their console isn't.
Developing games for the XBone and PS4 shouldn't hurt their handheld sales.
I know
how do you not know that sega decided to simply bring sonic to the platform they felt it would perform the best? do you think secret rings, black knight, and colors were all moneyhatted? what about nights journey into dreams?
This is quickly becoming the new Godwin's Law on NeoGAF.
Yes, it would. They can't make enough software as it is. They're much better off focusing exclusively on their handheld and leaving the consoles alone. And if cellphones eventually make dedicated handhelds redundant, then they need to look at going third party, but it's a point of no return, and they shouldn't do it until there is no viable alternative.
shinra-bansho
Member
Hats of money in terms of co-publishing deals. I thought it was well established and acknowledged that there was some form of arrangement between the two publishers for the three-game deal. Although, yes, I agree entirely it's the best platform anyway for the games.
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Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Right. People who play platformers are for the most part on Nintendo systems. That genre is almost dead on ps360, because there is the audience for shooters and open-world.
Edith: Non-Indie and Fullprice of course.
JetSetRadio
Banned
It's becoming rather sad.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Okay well I was talking about consoles not handhelds. Your right the 3DS is still doing well. But their console isn't.
Developing games for the XBone and PS4 shouldn't hurt their handheld sales.
I know
Nintendo needs to keep the image that if you want to play a Nintendo game, you need a Nintendo device. Anyways, they aren't going 3rd party anytime soon, if ever, so whatever.
I'm buying a Wii U next month, I'm not interested in any 3rd party gam even if Zombie U, Rayman Legends, and MH3U look good. I'm probably going to keep it Nintendo exclusive, am I part of the problem? haha
the install base is growing on the 3DS, but allot of publishers that dealt with the DS still ignore it (because of iOS). I doubt publishers will suddenly do a 180 and make games for the WiiU once it has a bigger install base, unless it hits Wii numbers, but that will never happen (also because of iOS)
IrishNinja
Member
yup. it's also my cue to bail~
Triggerhappytel
Member
AOC83 is not asking for features which anyone's claiming are innovative, nor asking for Nintendo to copy Sony and MS. They're just requesting these features which are standard with every other computer hardware/OS company in the goddamn world.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Yeah its nice to want things but if they wanted to be really serious about this they needed to go to devs and publishers over 3 years ago to port everything x360 and ps3 to wiiu.
But nintendo did not do that so no 3rd party games are coming (except for a few)
But nintendo did not do that so no 3rd party games are coming (except for a few)
cyberheater
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On the one hand, when I complain about the lack of third party on WiiU. Nintendo fans state you shouldn't buy a WiiU for third party software. And on the other hand you have Nintendo continually saying how strong their third party relationships are.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't have it both ways.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Ho yeah I read this interview of Moffitt or whatever his name is. The guy is amazing. it's even worse than stale language.
I really hope nobody believes him, cause I seriously think he himself does not. or he's even more blind that he seems to be.
Indeed, Nintendo would gain to tell some truth in their PR...
I really hope nobody believes him, cause I seriously think he himself does not. or he's even more blind that he seems to be.
Indeed, Nintendo would gain to tell some truth in their PR...
frankie_baby
Member
if you're defining gens by POWAH then its a bit of a stretch to say its a gen behind x bone, half a gen maybe
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