Nintendo's new platform codename: "Project NX"

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Neoxon

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Why does it feel like this post is a full-time job for you...?
Because people just can't seem to grasp the concept. You can't get third parties on board if there's nobody on that platform to cater to. The ball is in Nintendo's court to not only mend fences with the western third parties, but also cultivate an audience for said third party games by themselves. Nintendo got themselves into this mess, they have to get themselves out. Until then, Nintendo should continue under the assumption that said western third party publishers will never return.
 

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Wii U doesn't have the JRPG/sim audience Pokemon and Animal Crossing bring in. It's a failure because the only audience they could ever bring in for it was the audience that likes Mario and associated games (and squids now, but that came too late to change anything). 3DS inherited the massive Mario/Pokemon/Animal Crossing audience the DS had, stole the Monster Hunter crowd, and built up its strong points with games like Tomodachi (related to AC fans) and Yokai (Pokemon audience).
This doesn't look like a very good strategy going forward. The handheld market is shrinking very fast so all this will do is to cannibalize the handheld's sales in favor of the home console. What Nintendo really needs to do is to find a way to appeal to a new customer base, one that isn't currently interested in their products. This can come from several sources: hardcore gamers interested in AAA games, non-gamers, emerging markets like China, lapsed Nintendo fans, and so on.

Of course the problem is that western publishers don't care for handhelds, which is where that ecosystem is currently successful. If there really is no way to bring them to handhelds, then this strategy may be doomed for failure. Still, I think it's an overall better plan for Nintendo than aiming for Nintendo, but now with Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed. Which is what they tried early on with the Wii U, and we all know how that ended.
Dedicated handhelds are a dying market, so there's no reason for them to come back to it. The only place where it's still a good idea is in Japan, but the big Western publishers aren't very interested in that region.
And there lies the problem, there is no audience for those big AAA third party games on Nintendo platforms.
If Nintendo wants to stay inside the home console market, I think the onus is on them to create just that audience.
 

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Dedicated handhelds are a dying market, so there's no reason for them to come back to it. The only place where it's still a good idea is in Japan, but the big Western publishers aren't very interested in that region.
All dedicated hardware is a "dying market". Doesn't prevent it from being able to be sustainable, though.

And if the crapshoot for hardware and big software releases that is the 3DS, with its terrible launch and momentum (again, lack of support), can reach 50-60m, then the market isn't as dead or as dying as you keep trying to make it sound. It's never going to go back to the DS-days of greatness but, then, no dedicated hardware ever is going to see those numbers again. (As per the previous discussion with Zhuge, there is a distinct lack of regular and compelling software on the 3DS, especially now. And this is in large part due to the struggles of the WiiU and sapping away resources. When games and release do come, though, the hardware still moves.) Handheld gaming was also hit hard by the failure of the Vita which completely gutted any semblance of narrative of big western AAA support.

If Nintendo brings a product to market with actual and stead big software releases and properly markets said product to the respective audiences it serves and looks to serve (and this includes expanding said audience appeal, which they are clearly trying to do with mobile initiatives and tying mobile back to their own ecosystem), then I don't see why they cannot bring to market a compelling product.

Of course, the success and ability to do this is still nothing but words to the wind until actions come in to play.
 

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If Nintendo wants to stay inside the home console market, I think the onus is on them to create just that audience.
That's the thing, they aren't supporting a home console platform & a handheld platform in this scenario, they'd be supporting one platform with multiple SKUs. If the NX Console is underperforming, then have the NX Handheld pull the extra weight. As for cultivating an audience (as stated in my previous post), Nintendo would have to themselves release AAA games on par with whatever the third parties bring out in hopes of building up an audience & proving to third parties that such an audience exists. As such, don't expect the big western third parties to support the NX Platform for the first year or two.
 

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Ahh but I can't read Italian! So what's the TLDR?
Pretty much what there was already speculated, translated with google translate:

-Handheld to release late 2016/early 2017 , console to follow in 6-10 months,bundle price around 500, each device 200-300.

-Console will not use optical media, will play the same games in higher
resolution/effects etc.They might release an addon for Wii U BC.Power will be closer to competition but not too far from the handheld.

-Handheld will be a ps vita+ in terms of power
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-Both console and handheld will focus on data sync

-Miiverse will be expanded,allowing communication with developers,will not be bound on games

-Will change voice chat policies

-Capcom, S-E, EA and Ubisoft already have dev kits.No confirmed titles since many of them are changed/canned.

-The gimmick will be the method of control (Could it be this?)

-Next direct will be in late September-mid October, will show Mario 3d and Zelda trailer, Retro shifted to NX.Also, they will announce the new Club Nintendo and reward system

-There are also plans to make commercial agreements with phone companies, to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and software purchased by phone, some of these out by March 2016, not counting the first mobile game result of the partnership with DeNA.
 

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Speculation post is interesting. Hard to read though! need someone to translate some of the home console part, the translate makes that bit especially hard to read.

handheld seems like psvita+, something about hitting bottom target of engines?
 

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Pretty much what there was already speculated, translated with google translate:

-Handheld to release late 2016/early 2017 , console to follow in 6-10 months,bundle price around 500, each device 200-300.

-Console will not use optical media, will play the same games in higher
resolution/effects etc.They might release an addon for Wii U BC.Power will be closer to competition but not too far from the handheld.

-Handheld will be a ps vita+ in terms of power
.
-Both console and handheld will focus on data sync

-Miiverse will be expanded,allowing communication with developers,will not be bound on games

-Will change voice chat policies

-Capcom, S-E, EA and Ubisoft already have dev kits.No confirmed titles since many of them are changed/canned.

-The gimmick will be the method of control (Could it be this?)

-Next direct will be in late September-mid October, will show Mario 3d and Zelda trailer, Retro shifted to NX.Also, they will announce the new Club Nintendo and reward system

-There are also plans to make commercial agreements with phone companies, to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and software purchased by phone, some of these out by March 2016, not counting the first mobile game result of the partnership with DeNA.
Is this insider info? If so, a rumor thread is in order.
 
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There is absolutely room for Nintendo to be bleeding edge on the console side. Just, that instead of being backwards compatible, they need to be forwards compatible.

When their initial NX home console comes out, it will probably be $200 perfection. 4 cores, 4 gigs, half the GPU of a PS4.

When the PS5 and Xbox two come out, they come out with the nx2, at the same power level. It is expensive.

The thing is that at that point they don't stop making nx1 games. Instead new 1st party nx1 games are all forward compatible to the nx2, and for the first 3 years of the nx2 there are very few nx2 only 1st party games. The majority of 1st party nx2 only games only come when the nx2 is at $250.

The 3rd party developers get the high end to themselves, and Nintendo gets to stay behind the curve on development costs, robust cross over between generations, and the ability to please both the bleeding edge and those that stay behind the curve.

The benefit for Nintendo fans that buy the bleeding edge? All the nx1 games run at a better resolution and/or framerate on the nx2.

Oh. They shouldn't start numbering at 1 if they number at all. They should start at 7 and offer a physical to digital trade in program. The NES is the nx1. :D
 

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Pretty much what there was already speculated, translated with google translate:

-Handheld to release late 2016/early 2017 , console to follow in 6-10 months,bundle price around 500, each device 200-300.

-Console will not use optical media, will play the same games in higher
resolution/effects etc.They might release an addon for Wii U BC.Power will be closer to competition but not too far from the handheld.

-Handheld will be a ps vita+ in terms of power
.
-Both console and handheld will focus on data sync

-Miiverse will be expanded,allowing communication with developers,will not be bound on games

-Will change voice chat policies

-Capcom, S-E, EA and Ubisoft already have dev kits.No confirmed titles since many of them are changed/canned.

-The gimmick will be the method of control (Could it be this?)

-Next direct will be in late September-mid October, will show Mario 3d and Zelda trailer, Retro shifted to NX.Also, they will announce the new Club Nintendo and reward system

-There are also plans to make commercial agreements with phone companies, to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and software purchased by phone, some of these out by March 2016, not counting the first mobile game result of the partnership with DeNA.
crazy if true. hard to believe they'd go full hybrid.

also new console launching in late 2017 is insanity. they should release the console next year in the west and the handheld in japan. if they share games it shouldn't be much of an issue.
 

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Ok, of course remember to take this with a grain of salt. I didn't know the guy until a few minutes ago but apparently he's respected in the italian scene, he also claims he's under strict NDA with Nintendo so he has to be careful about how he communicates some stuff. Aside from this, he even jokes about this in the title of the article calling it "speskullation" (his nick is skullkid) and clickbait lol



http://www.nintendon.it/speskullations-19-qui-si-fa-clickbait-su-nx-74386

I think he may be right about a few things, which we already discussed, but it's the part where he talks about devkits, release dates and other stuff that makes me wonder if he took stuff from the internet and integrated it with some of his thoughts, and now he's calling it "a source from NCL", or if he actually has one. You'll be the judges :p but i think the article is pretty good all around.
Disclaimer: The following is based on running the article through Google Translate:
I'm generally inclined to call this article fake. Most of it seems reasonable, but their description of a theoretical September-October Direct for this year has me a bit skeptical. Seeing as Nintendo has made it clear that they won't talk about the hardware until next year, it seems somewhat doubtful that they would start teasing NX games within the next couple months.
 

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That's the thing, they aren't supporting a home console platform & a handheld platform in this scenario, they'd be supporting one platform with multiple SKUs. If the NX Console is underperforming, then have the NX Handheld pull the extra weight. As for cultivating an audience (as stated in my previous post), Nintendo would have to themselves release AAA games on par with whatever the third parties bring out in hopes of building up an audience & proving to third parties that such an audience exists. As such, don't expect the big western third parties to support the NX Platform for the first year or two.
And why would they even bother coming late to the party even if NX is a succes? At that point they would need to sell to folks who are fully accustomed to the NX's software library and I question if they are interested in the games provided by said third parties.

Third parties joined the party pretty late in the past allready: the Wii. And it was (with a few exceptions) a dumb decision to not fully support the Wii from launch. It's all in from the start or nothing at all imo.
 

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crazy if true. hard to believe they'd go full hybrid.

also new console launching in late 2017 is insanity. they should release the console next year in the west and the handheld in japan. if they share games it shouldn't be much of an issue.
There might be more info there.Can anyone who speaks italian help with the translation?
 

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Pretty much what there was already speculated, translated with google translate:

-Handheld to release late 2016/early 2017 , console to follow in 6-10 months,bundle price around 500, each device 200-300.

-Console will not use optical media, will play the same games in higher
resolution/effects etc.They might release an addon for Wii U BC.Power will be closer to competition but not too far from the handheld.

-Handheld will be a ps vita+ in terms of power
.
-Both console and handheld will focus on data sync

-Miiverse will be expanded,allowing communication with developers,will not be bound on games

-Will change voice chat policies

-Capcom, S-E, EA and Ubisoft already have dev kits.No confirmed titles since many of them are changed/canned.

-The gimmick will be the method of control (Could it be this?)

-Next direct will be in late September-mid October, will show Mario 3d and Zelda trailer, Retro shifted to NX.Also, they will announce the new Club Nintendo and reward system

-There are also plans to make commercial agreements with phone companies, to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and software purchased by phone, some of these out by March 2016, not counting the first mobile game result of the partnership with DeNA.
Eh?

Not that I believe these rumours (even if it would be good if true).
 

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There is absolutely room for Nintendo to be bleeding edge on the console side. Just, that instead of being backwards compatible, they need to be forwards compatible.

When their initial NX home console comes out, it will probably be $200 perfection. 4 cores, 4 gigs, half the GPU of a PS4.

When the PS5 and Xbox two come out, they come out with the nx2, at the same power level. It is expensive.

The thing is that at that point they don't stop making nx1 games. Instead new 1st party nx1 games are all forward compatible to the nx2, and for the first 3 years of the nx2 there are very few nx2 only 1st party games. The majority of 1st party nx2 only games only come when the nx2 is at $250.

The 3rd party developers get the high end to themselves, and Nintendo gets to stay behind the curve on development costs, robust cross over between generations, and the ability to please both the bleeding edge and those that stay behind the curve.

The benefit for Nintendo fans that buy the bleeding edge? All the nx1 games run at a better resolution and/or framerate on the nx2.

Oh. They shouldn't start numbering at 1 if they number at all. They should start at 7 and offer a physical to digital trade in program. The NES is the nx1. :D
This goes back to the Apple/Mobile model of refreshing hardware every year or so (in this case maybe two to three years). The big difference is consumers see mobile devices as a necessary utility, whereas consoles are more and more a luxury. So in order for something like this to be sustainable Nintendo's console needs to be far more popular than it is now and marketed in a way that traditional gamers don't feel slighted with the upgrades as they come.
 

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Let me just plug in my Wii u cpu/gpu with embedded ram into my nx usb plug here.

Ahhhh there we go. Well worth the 200 dollar price of the add on!
 

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There is absolutely room for Nintendo to be bleeding edge on the console side. Just, that instead of being backwards compatible, they need to be forwards compatible.

When their initial NX home console comes out, it will probably be $200 perfection. 4 cores, 4 gigs, half the GPU of a PS4.

When the PS5 and Xbox two come out, they come out with the nx2, at the same power level. It is expensive.

The thing is that at that point they don't stop making nx1 games. Instead new 1st party nx1 games are all forward compatible to the nx2, and for the first 3 years of the nx2 there are very few nx2 only 1st party games. The majority of 1st party nx2 only games only come when the nx2 is at $250.

The 3rd party developers get the high end to themselves, and Nintendo gets to stay behind the curve on development costs, robust cross over between generations, and the ability to please both the bleeding edge and those that stay behind the curve.

The benefit for Nintendo fans that buy the bleeding edge? All the nx1 games run at a better resolution and/or framerate on the nx2.

Oh. They shouldn't start numbering at 1 if they number at all. They should start at 7 and offer a physical to digital trade in program. The NES is the nx1. :D
As I've said before, starting at 7 doesn't make much sense when you factor in the handheld.
 

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crazy if true. hard to believe they'd go full hybrid.

also new console launching in late 2017 is insanity. they should release the console next year in the west and the handheld in japan. if they share games it shouldn't be much of an issue.
Most likely with that type of release schedule their just hoping for folks to buy both systems instead of just the one. If its buy one game and get it on two systems they could be going for hey this game looks like this on your 4ds but look at how awesome it looks on your big screen if you had a Wiii2 and convince folks to buy the console like that. It having no optical disc is what disturbs me though since i like to collect a little bit.
 

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gamecube had a GBA adapter and it wasn't 200 dollars
That's not how this works. He's making fun of the "add-on" for BC... which would, effectively, just be a WiiU. The leap in power from GBA to NGC is considerably different.
 

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If Nintendo brings a product to market with actual and stead big software releases and properly markets said product to the respective audiences it serves and looks to serve (and this includes expanding said audience appeal, which they are clearly trying to do with mobile initiatives and tying mobile back to their own ecosystem), then I don't see why they cannot bring to market a compelling product.

Of course, the success and ability to do this is still nothing but words to the wind until actions come in to play.
My post was about what it would take to get the Western AAA publishers to release games on the handheld NX. They've long lost interest in the market and nothing is bringing them back.

That's the thing, they aren't supporting a home console platform & a handheld platform in this scenario, they'd be supporting one platform with multiple SKUs. If the NX Console is underperforming, then have the NX Handheld pull the extra weight. As for cultivating an audience (as stated in my previous post), Nintendo would have to themselves release AAA games on par with whatever the third parties bring out in hopes of building up an audience & proving to third parties that such an audience exists. As such, don't expect the big western third parties to support the NX Platform for the first year or two.
I wouldn't count the Western publishers out just yet. They're going to hedge their bets with one or two games in case that the NX turns out to be some sort of huge hit. However, they won't commit too much budget in this endeavor and they will drop the NX like a hot potato as soon as the numbers don't seem promising.

There is absolutely room for Nintendo to be bleeding edge on the console side. Just, that instead of being backwards compatible, they need to be forwards compatible.

When their initial NX home console comes out, it will probably be $200 perfection. 4 cores, 4 gigs, half the GPU of a PS4.
But what reason would a non-Nintendo fan have to buy this?
 

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Ahh but I can't read Italian! So what's the TLDR?
Here, sorry if it's a bit rough but it would take forever to properly translate everything:

- He's under strict NDA with Nintendo Japan

- Informations are from march 2015, with some updates from june-july

- He received a bunch of patents (some of them are publics now), info about what Nintendo is planning and a list of games potentially in development (some of them may or may not have been cancelled), third parties included

- NX is a platform, not tied with a single device

- Wii U is still in the picture thanks to good software results for games like Splatoon, will still be the main home console in 2016

- 3DS is a bit old, they're planning of replacing it. Some games will still come out on it, but big projects are being moved on portable NX

- With NX, Nintendo wants to create a platform where they can develop software for multiple devices with ease, from the home console to the portable to smartphone and tablets. They'll have a big catalogue available for multiple platforms, with cross buy, cross saves and cross play, similar to what Microsoft is doing with Xbox One and PC thanks to Windows 10 (that allows to play many Xbox games on PC, which is also getting a bunch of ports from Xbone). Each platform will still have exclusive games

- NNID is tied to the single device, but it will allow to share details between platforms, like friend list, contents, local coop games, etc. Thanks to the new membership program (the successor of Club Nintendo), we'll benefit from the new Nintendo policies in terms of rewards

- They'll show the portable in spring 2016, will be out for the end of the year or spring 2017 max. Specs will be higher than PS Vita but nothing mindblowing, screen resolution should be 540p, considering 720p if costs go down. BC with 3DS was problematic

- Wii U successor will not have an optical drive, which will be optional. It will sync with the portable (not obligatory). Specs won't be super high, but close to PS4/X1 (doesn't know how much, like with the portable this is still subject to change anyway). Cross games will look better on the home

- Nintendo is focusing a lot on the anti-piracy system

- Big focus on the OS as well. They hired people that worked for Google on Android, the guys who worked on the Gamecube OS and Wii U browser are there too. Optimized versions of the same OS for every NX platform (think, again, W10), each with its set of specific functions. Updates will come out at the same time, they're focusing on making the OS blazing fast on every platform

- The home console can connect with the portable to send to it its own version of the games you buy, will use the same tech as the Wii U-Wii U Gamepad streaming to do that, or the internet connection

- The home will have bc with the Wii U. Gamepad should be compatible as a controller, considering selling it standalone. Can connect with the portable for offtv and bc. WiiMote compatibility is being considered too. As for support, since the new home won't have an optical drive, they're considering an external one. Also being considered NNID/eShop bc for titles bought on the eShop. Seems they're considering digital games sharing too, but this bit is not perfectly clear

- The portable will have its own internal memory, which will be expandable

- There will be a complete overhaul of online infrastructures, but Nintendo is determined to hold successful operations as Miiverse, extending it even further and making it a central hub for communications by developers and a meeting place for players. It will be even more interactive with the ability to upload videos and screenshots in an integrated system and not dependent on the game

- Voice chat and interactions between users will be revisited too, much will depend on the users age though, to protect the minors

- The home will be out 6-12 months after the portable, creating the "NX system" that will allow Nintendo to better use their resources in games development

- They approached third parties during E3. Capcom, Square-Enix, Ubisoft and Electronic Arts already have devkits. Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Sonic, F-Zero and Metroid are in development, doesn't know if these are main episodes or spin offs. Zelda is currently a Wii U only title due to high development costs, but they can reconsider to have another big game at NX launch

- Prices will be low, 200-300€ (for the home?), considering a bundle with both for no more than 500€

- Many of these things will be discussed in future Nintendo Directs, which will have a different host in every market if Nintendo can't find a new CEO by october

- A new 3D Mario will be shown, along with a new Zelda trailer. Retro moved their project on NX, will not be unveiled before 10-18 months

- They'll talk about a new "Club Nintendo", which will be in full function with NX

- Considering making agreements with phone carriers in order to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and the ability to purchase software by phone. Some of these will be out by March 2016

- Is everything set yet? Yes, but with Nintendo you'll never know. If he has updates he will share them with us.
Disclaimer: The following is based on running the article through Google Translate:
I'm generally inclined to call this article fake. Most of it seems reasonable, but their description of a theoretical September-October Direct for this year has me a bit skeptical. Seeing as Nintendo has made it clear that they won't talk about the hardware until next year, it seems somewhat doubtful that they would start teasing NX games within the next couple months.
He said they'll share info about the new membership program, the new 3D Mario and a trailer of Zelda in 2015 Nintendo Directs, NX presentation will be in spring 2016.
 

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Repeating myself from the Star Fox thread, but

I find it weird that Wii U is getting what might very well be one of those early-gen titles that uses the console's unique features very heavily in order to justify those features' existence. This is the console's last year before NX. Would that suggest the game pad approach is still going to be around for the NX, or the Wii U one will still function with it? If its use isn't truly more fun than a busier game, then to who is Miyamoto trying to justify the game pad's existence?
 

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Repeating myself from the Star Fox thread, but

I find it weird that Wii U is getting what might very well be one of those early-gen titles that uses the console's unique features very heavily in order to justify those features' existence. This is the console's last year before NX. Would that suggest the game pad approach is still going to be around for the NX, or the Wii U one will still function with it? If its use isn't truly more fun than a busier game, then to who is Miyamoto trying to justify the game pad's existence?
I could see the GamePad being compatible with it (similar to how you can use Wii Remotes on Wii U). And it's not just Star Fox, it's also essential for Mario Maker.
 

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He said they'll share info about the new membership program, the new 3D Mario and a trailer of Zelda in 2015 Nintendo Directs, NX presentation will be in spring 2016.
Thanks, but 2017 seems waaayyy to late for the launch.
 

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Not really. That gives the Wii U a 5 year life span just like their other systems.
The 3DS is what I am looking at, not the WiiU. You're forgetting that this is replacing both, and the spec-piece is specifically mentioning the handheld variant.
 

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Repeating myself from the Star Fox thread, but

I find it weird that Wii U is getting what might very well be one of those early-gen titles that uses the console's unique features very heavily in order to justify those features' existence. This is the console's last year before NX. Would that suggest the game pad approach is still going to be around for the NX, or the Wii U one will still function with it? If its use isn't truly more fun than a busier game, then to who is Miyamoto trying to justify the game pad's existence?
Who says this is the console's last year? They are going to talk about NX next year.

Plus they've been working on Star Fox for a few years. They showed off some rough parts of it last year.
 

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Here, sorry if it's a bit rough but it would take forever to properly translate everything:




He said they'll share info about the new membership program, the new 3D Mario and a trailer of Zelda in 2015 Nintendo Directs, NX presentation will be in spring 2016.
Unless that new 3D Mario is for Wii U and/or 3DS, it seems a bit premature to talk about it in a Direct this year.
 

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Repeating myself from the Star Fox thread, but

I find it weird that Wii U is getting what might very well be one of those early-gen titles that uses the console's unique features very heavily in order to justify those features' existence. This is the console's last year before NX. Would that suggest the game pad approach is still going to be around for the NX, or the Wii U one will still function with it? If its use isn't truly more fun than a busier game, then to who is Miyamoto trying to justify the game pad's existence?
I personally feel the gamepad is coming back in a smaller and cheaper form as the default NX controller. Gonna need it to play any handheld games from the DS era onward. Also, taking it away would cripple any 'nindie' game that uses it (I dont think nintendo wants to subtract interface options during this transition and piss away the goodwill gained with independant developers using their current framework)

There's also the question of Wii U compatibility with whatever way they're handling BC whether it be through hardware or remasters.

Too many complications arise if they dont include a gamepad type device, and making a handheld purchase manditory cripples their crossplay type hook right out of the gate.
 

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I wouldn't believe Skullkid that much. It sounds more like a recollection of most of the things already said + speculation + some "I know an insider!" look.
I tend to agree with this.

Anyway you're italian too iirc, do you know the guy? Does he have any track record? Tons of people seem to believe what he says and that's why i posted the article, thinking that maybe he was right about something in the past. That and the fact that many things he said were already discussed and generally considered as "facts", also he wrote an article and didn't automatically scream "HYBRID! HYBRID!" so i don't think he's a complete fool. But since i don't know him i don't really know what to think.

Unless that new 3D Mario is for Wii U and/or 3DS, it seems a bit premature to talk about it in a Direct this year.
He seems to imply that the new 3D Mario is for Wii U. Which seems unlikely tbh.

I mean, this is at least reasonable as far as speculation goes and from what we know in general. But a lot of the list just reads like a bulleted breakdown of everything we've heard as rumors on the grapevine.
Yup, that was my first impression when i read the article, as i stated in a previous post.
 

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- They'll show the portable in spring 2016, will be out for the end of the year or spring 2017 max. Specs will be higher than PS Vita but nothing mindblowing, screen resolution should be 540p, considering 720p if costs go down. BC with 3DS was problematic
I mean, this is at least reasonable as far as speculation goes and from what we know in general. But a lot of the list just reads like a bulleted breakdown of everything we've heard as rumors on the grapevine.
 

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The 3DS is what I am looking at, not the WiiU. You're forgetting that this is replacing both, and the spec-piece is specifically mentioning the handheld variant.
DS lasted around 7 years before the 3DS came out and the Game Boy lasted around 10 even longer counting the GBC. The GBA is more of an exception but even then if the DS hadn't come out it would've been longer. Point is their handhelds have always had long lifespans and the 3DS can easily last another year.
 

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Repeating myself from the Star Fox thread, but

I find it weird that Wii U is getting what might very well be one of those early-gen titles that uses the console's unique features very heavily in order to justify those features' existence. This is the console's last year before NX. Would that suggest the game pad approach is still going to be around for the NX, or the Wii U one will still function with it? If its use isn't truly more fun than a busier game, then to who is Miyamoto trying to justify the game pad's existence?
There are so many factors that go into that kind of decision that I don't think that it's much of an indication either way; and employing the Gamepad is largely a case of making the most of what they have. Most of the calculations that went into the Gamepad being a bad idea are still extant so you'd think that Nintendo would drop the idea. However, a lot depends on internal politics, recalculating the BOM, and lots of things that the public isn't privy to.

Thanks, but 2017 seems waaayyy to late for the launch.
Releasing the NX home console in 2017 would certainly be a big mistake, so there's a chance that Nintendo will do just that!

Hmm, i'm extremely sceptical of that article.
There's certainly little reason to pay it much heed.

DS lasted around 7 years before the 3DS came out and the Game Boy lasted around 10 even longer counting the GBC. The GBA is more of an exception but even then if the DS hadn't come out it would've been longer. Point is their handhelds have always had long lifespans and the 3DS can easily last another year.
Nintendo's current situation has no historical precedent, so it makes more sense to look at their current needs and capabilities rather than past behavior to predict what they will do next.
 

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DS lasted around 7 years before the 3DS came out and the Game Boy lasted around 10 even longer counting the GBC. The GBA is more of an exception but even then if the DS hadn't come out it would've been longer. Point is their handhelds have always had long lifespans and the 3DS can easily last another year.
No it really can't.

And they have more than just lifespan reasons to consider for getting the successor out fast, one of those being the ability to eat Sony's lunch in Japan in terms of getting a lot of the Japanese third party support on board (and making their console the go-to for those types of games) as well as just keeping that market afloat.

Releasing the NX home console in 2017 would certainly be a big mistake, so there's a chance that Nintendo will do just that!
I was speaking of the handheld, which definitely has to come to market first. If that comes out in mid to late 2016, and the console follows a few months later even if its into early 2017, then that is fine as it means the console will launch with pre-established software. But launching the handheld in 2017 and then the console in late 2017? Holy shit.
 

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I tend to agree with this.

Anyway you're italian too iirc, do you know the guy? Does he have any track record? Tons of people seem to believe what he says and that's why i posted the article, thinking that maybe he was right about something in the past. That and the fact that many things he said were already discussed and generally considered as "facts", also he wrote an article and didn't automatically scream "HYBRID! HYBRID!" so i don't think he's a complete fool. But since i don't know him i don't really know what to think.


He seems to imply that the new 3D Mario is for Wii U. Which seems unlikely tbh.


Yup, that was my first impression when i read the article, as i stated in a previous post.
Link to people cheering his track record, and what he guessed correctly in the past?
 

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He seems to imply that the new 3D Mario is for Wii U. Which seems unlikely tbh.
Yeah, unless this hypothetical Direct happens as described, I'm going to chalk this article up as informed speculation.

It's always nice when these rumors give you a convenient and short term way to invalidate them.
 

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Here, sorry if it's a bit rough but it would take forever to properly translate everything:




He said they'll share info about the new membership program, the new 3D Mario and a trailer of Zelda in 2015 Nintendo Directs, NX presentation will be in spring 2016.
Now that I'm on my laptop & am actually able to read a better-translated version of the article, I can give more detailed thoughts.

I'm noticing a few holes in the rumor. The notes never state if the NX Console is digital-only or not. Likewise, it never states the native control method for the console.
 

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I personally feel the gamepad is coming back in a smaller and cheaper form as the default NX controller. Gonna need it to play any handheld games from the DS era onward. Also, taking it away would cripple any 'nindie' game that uses it (I dont think nintendo wants to subtract interface options during this transition and piss away the goodwill gained with independant developers using their current framework)

There's also the question of Wii U compatibility with whatever way they're handling BC whether it be through hardware or remasters.

Too many complications arise if they dont include a gamepad type device, and making a handheld purchase manditory cripples their crossplay type hook right out of the gate.
That never stopped them before. Nintendo's DNA is to do something new. I don't expect them to just make cheaper versions of their existing stuff. That wouldn't excite.
 

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Anyway you're italian too iirc, do you know the guy? Does he have any track record?
I'm from Italy as well, and do NOT know him.
Having said this, I don't really want to sound too harsh, but... seriously? That "I'm under NDA, yet my source about NX is someone from NCL" line sounds like he is totally making up things honestly.
 

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No it really can't.

And they have more than just lifespan reasons to consider for getting the successor out fast, one of those being the ability to eat Sony's lunch in Japan in terms of getting a lot of the Japanese third party support on board (and making their console the go-to for those types of games) as well as just keeping that market afloat.



I was speaking of the handheld, which definitely has to come to market first. If that comes out in mid to late 2016, and the console follows a few months later even if its into early 2017, then that is fine as it means the console will launch with pre-established software. But launching the handheld in 2017 and then the console in late 2017? Holy shit.
Nintendo is launching the New 3ds this fall in NA. They launched the new 3ds xl early this year.

If Nintendo has a history of launching their hardware 6 months after they first talk about it then maybe late 2016 has a chance. Otherwise it is 2017.
 

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For reference: I know Skullkid, we used to post on Forumeye years ago... I still remember when he said to be in contact with Sadness devs and that they told him the game would've been out one day or another. Or how a huge Nintendo fanboy he was. :p

But, honestly, that was years and years and years ago. People can change as time goes by (I can tell you without any remorse I still feel embarassed due to some things I posted in the past...even here too: Spiegel defined one post I made back in a 2011's MC thread "almost orgasming" :lol ). Unfortunately, I don't know if he has actual sources now. Still, reading the article, it really sounds like several statements/things collected together + a bit of speculation, but with a "insider" skin. It's also quite vague in some parts, as in "vague enough to be considered correct enough whatever happens". That's why I'd like to know more about his track record.
 
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