GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
That's exactly what it is, yes, but those clinging onto it won't even admit it to themselves let alone show some humility on the internet.
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No Man's Sky Spoiler Thread
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That's exactly what it is, yes, but those clinging onto it won't even admit it to themselves let alone show some humility on the internet.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I never said it was the 'wrong way to play'. ONE man should not be able to potentially cut into sales of a game especially when that ONE man critiqued things that were his own fault. Those false critiques are what's fuelling most of the negativity, that and it 'only' took 30 hours to 'finish' which it didn't but sites are running with it.
perfectsil
Member
Taking advantage of glitches to make coins and rush to the center won't be an unusual way to play at all, lots of people will play this way
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I never said 'he played the game wrong'. If he wanted to get there before anyone else then that's fine, but if in doing so he made mistakes and called them faults, it's inexcusable.
The One Who Knocks
Member
I don't see why you keep on emphasising the "ONE" man aspect. It seems to me that a lot of the backlash is coming from individuals who did not have their expectations in check, from individual's who seem to be have misled by or misintepretted the creator's comments (ONE man?), or from players who have some disappointment in some potential flaws which have been highlighted. Could you clarify precisely what critiqued things were the individual's fault specifically which was no clarified or corrected? Following this, could you provide some specifics as to how you are aware the critique is false when you lack the game?
If a game lets you do something and you get to the objective anyway, how is he the one making the mistake and not the game?
Also, "inexcusable", really? lol
Pestilence11
Member
At the end of the day nobody is going to give a shit if he got to the center in 30 hours. Most people don't even finish 10-12 hour games before moving on. I'm talking the majority of people outside of places like GAF.
He sold game to me, unlike all hypeshipping and official PR. Go figure.
Not even glitch, by design feature.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Expectations are a completely different thing and nothing to do with what I'm saying. Let's put that to one side.
Off the top of my head:
He said the weapon and mining tool was broken (I can't remember his specific words but that was the essence of what he said). But it wasn't, it turned out he was upgrading incorrectly and only realised this after he'd critiqued the game.
He said that ships were only cosmetic and that every ship was the same. They weren't and it turned out he hadn't quite understood how it works. He found this out after he'd critiqued the game.
He said that planets and creatures didn't get more exotic and weird the closer he got to the centre, even pointing out that Sean had said they do and so making Sean look like he'd lied. They did. He found this out after he'd critiqued the game.
All the above are verified by the player himself.
The whole 'finishing' the game in 30 hours isn't his fault. It's just people conveniently ignoring the fact he could continue on to the next galaxy. It appears that even some NMS fans have bought into this.
Pattycakes
Banned
GribbleGrunger, I see a great future for you as a PR shill for Hello Games.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Even though I said the reviews might say it's terrible? Odd don't you think. It's not about that and you know it but clearly conflict is your currency.
Darryl M R
Member
So what happens once you reach the center?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's not like this person who streamed early had an exemplary record on not being wrong about mechanics of a game, calling them faults, on several high profile games going by his exposed Reddit history.
Who cares, I've seen bugs in his and other people's streams. There are objectively bugs in the game. He's not just "bad" at games.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You travel through the next galaxy to reach the centre and so on. The ultimate goal is to reach the centre of the universe, as Sean has said.
I wasn't going to bring that up, it seems to be complicated enough as it is lol
legacyzero
Banned
LOL What
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
There are many bugs in NMS. I've seen them myself. I'm hoping for a day one patch to sort some of them out. I'm willing to wait while I'm playing though.
Too cool for school, huh
The One Who Knocks
Member
It has a huge amount to do with what you're saying. The marketing of the game has either been vague or unclear on a number of issues, and certain comments do seem to not be reflective of the reality of the game (such as the majority of planets being barren). This has existed to such an extent that even now jokes of "But what do you DO in No Man Sky?" persist. Details about the upgrade system, trading systems, online functionality, quests, what's at the centre, the extent of multiplayer interaction, alien races, whether it's a universe or a galaxy, and more have remained secretive. The only reason this 'one' opinion is having such an impact is because it's lifting the veil of secrecy which has not only led to sky-high expectations, but it's led to a great deal of uncertainty regarding the depth of numerous systems in place which haven't been helped by vague answers, and the information we are receiving (which is also portraying the game positively I should add) is not matching what a number of people expected in different area, for one reason or another.
Regarding the rest, the bolded I've not seen any insight yet confirming this is the case, but as for the rest, he's been updating us on the game as he's been playing it, and is continuing to update the information he's provided with later discoveries. He's not a reviewer, he's a player who's posting information as he acquires it and has been quite transparent about this. There does seem to be an error in what he thought with regard to the ship upgrading (but he has always been transparent about suspecting there was something off given the inventory size of the ship and suit), sure, not realising that it was purchasing a new ship and multitool (I haven't seen how the upgrade system of that was clarified though I will admit) which allowed for further upgrades (it seems?) beyond merely cosmetic differences, but also made sure to specify talking about classifications of the ships in regard to them being 'cosmetic'. He's been providing information as he attains it, and has been since he acquired the game.
Thank you for clarifying some of these things which have later been altered, but as you've noted, it is also him himself who has provided the information later that corrects/updates misinterpretations he had from the beginning which is pretty in-line which how he's been providing information, and if part of the experience is discovering these mechanics (assuming they are not clearly explained which leads to the potential for misinterpretation) it seems more than fair to prevent the information as is available and update it. If you believe that a sizeable people are going to cancel pre-orders because their primary 'issues' are based on false claims that the multitools and ships are all the same, that's fine, but it doesn't seem very reflective of what a lot of the backlash is about.
EDIT: I don't really buy the claim about people overlooking he could continue onto the next galaxy after thirty hours though. I'd suggest that it instead is quite fundamental. That you reach the centre and then the game just 'loops' (begins a New Game Plus cycle in a new galaxy). The centre has been portrayed as quite a mystery from the beginning and as an overall goal, so it's hardly surprising it'd be perceived as a bit of a disappointment that you can reach their in that time when expectations seemed to be it'd take 'hundreds of hours'. Obviously we don't know yet whether a set amount of loops triggers new content or activates new conditions, but nobody has made that claim definitely from what I've seen only that there doesn't appear to be a difference after the first 'loop'.
N° 2048
Member
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Emperor_Uriel
Member
Have any truly giant creatures like the sand snake from the announcement trailer been found yet?
This is the one element I'm most worried was cut.
This is the one element I'm most worried was cut.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Can I be a shill too? I like this game.
None yet.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's the one thing that I think might have been cut too. Just looking at the game being played, the current problems of having procedurally generated landscapes, and then having to populate them with creatures, suggests to me it might have been far too ambitious to have a creature that size sliding over and under the terrain. I might be wrong but I don't think it's going to be there.
yooo has this been confirmed? Last I heard we were stuck debating whether or not the galaxy you get after crossing the prior one was part of a connected universe or not.
has that been clarified? Is there an ultimate 'center of the universe' goal like you said? It's been a couple days since I've checked in.
I think I might be figuring something out with the mining upgrade bug. It's pretty confusing, but I think this bug (if it is a bug) is specifically tied to either the mining speed upgrade, not the mining amount upgrade OR the weapon he was trying to upgrade.
When he upgraded his mining amount in an earlier video, a yellow bar increased. There are two bars, and I imagine the two bars are tied to mining speed and mining amount - yellow being for amount, red for speed.
However, when he upgraded his newer gun in the video highlighting the bug with +6 mining -speed- bonus, the other (red) bar did not move. When he removed all +6 modules, nothing happened.
I don't know if it's a bug, or a feature, but this shit is pretty complicated. Maybe chaining together multiple upgrades and getting a highlighted colour doesn't give you an explicit bonus like we thought, maybe the highlighted colour means something else.
When he upgraded his mining amount in an earlier video, a yellow bar increased. There are two bars, and I imagine the two bars are tied to mining speed and mining amount - yellow being for amount, red for speed.
However, when he upgraded his newer gun in the video highlighting the bug with +6 mining -speed- bonus, the other (red) bar did not move. When he removed all +6 modules, nothing happened.
I don't know if it's a bug, or a feature, but this shit is pretty complicated. Maybe chaining together multiple upgrades and getting a highlighted colour doesn't give you an explicit bonus like we thought, maybe the highlighted colour means something else.
Pestilence11
Member
As far as I know it's still a theory, and in my opinion not a very sound one. If it's going to take the average person 40 hours to cross their first galaxy and almost as many to cross the ones after, it doesn't make sense to have the "true ending" that far away.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
neurochasm
Banned
You find a giant tootsie roll.
It has not been confirmed or clarified, it is just that GribbleGrunger hopes it is true. All we know is that we go to a new galaxy after reaching the center of the starting galaxy, and the game doesn't even mention any "universe" to get to the center of anywhere.
This is clearly just Sean fumbling and using the wrong word, since what they're showing is a galaxy and you start at the edge of the galaxy.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You might want to spoiler tag that.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I'll post it for the fourth time just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6mO6YTvjVw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m4s
edit: Yep, it's Sean Murray stumbling over his words, so let's ignore it so we can keep telling people it's just Gribblegrungers theory. How do you think I drew those conclusions? I didn't just make them up, I've been listening closely to what Sean Murray has been saying for years and slowly piecing it together. I even said it would be one galaxy after another before the player verified it but before he had I was accused of just making stuff up.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
So any recent footage to check out?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Think anyone will make it without biting?
Apparently he's done it in the past though. Two Arkham games and Bloodborne, for instant - got copies way early, misunderstood and misrepresented key game features, cast aspersions, and faded into the ether on actual launch.
His complaints sounds pretty valid to me (although he says he has really enjoyed his time with the game) but he doesn't have a good track record.
To be fair to Daymeeuhn, after seeing his mini-review, I think he gave a pretty fair amd balanced view of the whole game. I think any 'damage' was by irresponsible clickbait reporting, not him. As he said, though, he may have been too liberal with the nitpicks early on, which skewed some of the reactions, but he's a guy posting about a game, not a reviewer, and it's the same sort of thing you'd get on any forum when people are playing a game, even one they're really enjoying.
I don't think it'll do much damage though, the only people who were listening are those who want the game anyway, and those who want to troll and had no interest in the game. Most other people,who are fairly neutral, even on a place like Neogaf, aren't really paying much attention. In some ways it's helped mitigate some of the more ludicrous hype that may have blighted the game at launch. At least we won't have thousands of people whining about mechanics they have misunderstood rather than just one.
As far as his experience goes, I think it shows that there are clearly penalties rushing to the centre. He missed a lot of things, a great deal requires exploration and investigation of the game mechanics. So I think being able to rush to the centre is by design, and that there's clearly a trade-off if you decide to do that. The fact that he's 40-50 hours in and still uncovering gameplay elements is pretty cool. It's definitely a game that can't truly be rushed.
Mind you being able to dash (relatively) to the centre is actually pretty good if you want to explore a galaxy of your own rather than Euclid, so I'm glad that's possible.
I don't think it'll do much damage though, the only people who were listening are those who want the game anyway, and those who want to troll and had no interest in the game. Most other people,who are fairly neutral, even on a place like Neogaf, aren't really paying much attention. In some ways it's helped mitigate some of the more ludicrous hype that may have blighted the game at launch. At least we won't have thousands of people whining about mechanics they have misunderstood rather than just one.
As far as his experience goes, I think it shows that there are clearly penalties rushing to the centre. He missed a lot of things, a great deal requires exploration and investigation of the game mechanics. So I think being able to rush to the centre is by design, and that there's clearly a trade-off if you decide to do that. The fact that he's 40-50 hours in and still uncovering gameplay elements is pretty cool. It's definitely a game that can't truly be rushed.
Mind you being able to dash (relatively) to the centre is actually pretty good if you want to explore a galaxy of your own rather than Euclid, so I'm glad that's possible.
SilverManson
Neo Member
From the Dailymotion comments:
http://imgur.com/a/IZ9zC
They can't still be this far down the rabbit hole surely...?
http://imgur.com/a/IZ9zC
They can't still be this far down the rabbit hole surely...?
legacyzero
Banned
LOL Hell no. IM the one that actually has a Youtube channel dedicated to this game. I get first dibs haha
I don't know, maybe sandworms could be a special, pre-programmed case. Cos, you know, you have to have sandworms, right?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Is there reason to believe we all get a different second galaxy? Has there been two people who reached the centre? There are two reasons why I'd suggest we get the same second galaxy:
1: Sean insists that there is a possibility of meeting another player even though it's almost impossible and unlikely to ever happen. We wouldn't even have that slim chance if the second galaxy was different for everyone.
2: The name of the galaxy (Euclid) is a short word and looks to be created rather than randomly generated. Most planets are unreadable and one would have thought that if the galaxies are indeed different for everyone then galaxies would follow the same formula. This isn't proof but food for thought. I could be entirely wrong there because we don't know how many galaxies there are. If there are thousands then clearly there's no way they've named each one individually.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Add me too NoMansSkyShill.space
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I don't know, maybe sandworms could be a special, pre-programmed case. Cos, you know, you have to have sandworms, right?
That's a very good point. Dune would be something Sean may be into and who knows perhaps he has specific seeds that can cater to 'some' needs. I still think it's unlikely though ... just not impossible. But at least you've made me doubt my assuredness.
NoctisVsStar
Member
stump sock
Member
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Two completely unrelated things.
That's related to how he chooses to play the game
That's related to him making mistakes and blaming the game. And 'in the spirit of the game' isn't suggesting he's 'playing it wrong.' They're not the same thing at all.
To use Rogue Legacy as an example again, I think that the galaxies in NMS are like levels in Rogue Legacy, and planets are rooms.
The 18 quint. quoted number is the amount of *possible* unique variations (Minecraft also has 18 quint. possible worlds. It's just the theoretical cap for the unique planet generator algorithm in 64 bit.). Since you can't freely travel between galaxies, and a single galaxy is your playground, the amount of planets in a galaxy would be much more "relevant". Have the developers talked about this?
The 18 quint. quoted number is the amount of *possible* unique variations (Minecraft also has 18 quint. possible worlds. It's just the theoretical cap for the unique planet generator algorithm in 64 bit.). Since you can't freely travel between galaxies, and a single galaxy is your playground, the amount of planets in a galaxy would be much more "relevant". Have the developers talked about this?
stump sock
Member
oh?
come on man. step back. you're inventing things, contradicting yourself, double posting, getting upset that a guy who played a game early will cost a company money for some reason, and generally spiraling NMS threads into weird conspiracy theories. I get that you're excited, but chill out already
LookAtMeGo
Member
You win.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
We have 6 more days until it's out. Gribble, I think you're carrying the torch a bit too hard. We agree on alot of stuff but, don't do this to yourself.