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[ReasonBeing]

I imagine that I'll be waiting to see what the 3rd party offerings will be. I have no qualms with going the Xbox 1st party route, but I imagine they will be chasing the lowest possible price for their performance target. I wonder if other manufacturers can bring some extra bells and whistles to the table, such as full windows support.

Edit: I recognize that we are not even sure if that is on the table at this point or if the Xbox version might already have that from the jump. It was just an example

 

[DenchDeckard]

He didnt debunk anything tho. Everyone knows Helix is Xbox offering, but its the fact that other OEM offering the same

The main point is, he has confirmed it is a console from ms like you expect from them.

 

[Radical_3d]

What do you mean? That's nothing new, they made a video about it and all.

 

[EchoByte]

The main point is, he has confirmed it is a console from ms like you expect from them.

If OEMs are making their versions, its no longer a "console"

 

[J Required]

So you think AMD will sell this Helix chip to consumers?

They name it RX9xxx XT or something and sell it, why not? Since it has zero customizations already and basically off shelf RDNA5.

 

[The_Mike]

It's the best outcome for them tbh. Already called it when rumors were there.

I imagine they have to set their price right, because now they are in a Timeline where they have to compete with Valve with their steam machine.

 

[Fafalada]

Microsoft ghosted it. Like fucking Mac mother fucking Dillon in Predator

They didn't ghost it, they fired the guy that made Surface worth paying attention to(and really the only good* public speaker MS had in the last..15 years?)

And once that killed Surface book it was all downhill from there.


*by good I mean not completely incompetent like for instance all the recent leavers at xbox were

 

[Steve Holt]

Might wait until I see what the MSI or ASUS Helix "console" looks like

 

[DenchDeckard]

If OEMs are making their versions, its no longer a "console"

Well, yeah. Those wont be consoles if they are a custom silicone in a PC.

The Microsoft Helix, is a console. Not a difficult thing to grasp.

Remember the Cell CPU, it was used in a game console but was sold and pitched as a device that could be used in other devices. Those devices are whatever they were but it doesnt stop the PS3 from being a console.

 

[Xion_Stellar]

But....but what about the "Power of the Cloud" Microsoft? We had people around here swear up and down that it was the best thing to ever manifest out of this industry since "Blast Processing" came to the scene.

 

[Darsxx82]

They name it RX9xxx XT or something and sell it, why not? Since it has zero customizations already and basically off shelf RDNA5.

Because AMD doesn't own the APU, it's only the manufacturer. Microsoft decides what to use it for and what its final purpose will be, and in any case, they would be products with the Xbox branding, not with the AMD product name.

Regarding the topic of this thread, the question is whether not having genuine technology or "secret sauce" matters or is negative when running games or making the developer's job easier... The answer is NO, in fact, it's positive in those aspects. Helix is supposed to have more than enough power (it includes all the relevant AMD technology), and we already know that "secret sauces" in recent generations have only been used to compensate for deficiencies, or they end up being unused or achieving their purpose only marginally VS current technology at the time.

 

[DenchDeckard]

you dont need custom stuff if you just go for power. Like O onQ123 said, customisation was always used to try and bridge the gap between low cost consoles vs PC tech. It sounds like MS were entertaining the fact of going for something really powerful but I honestly believe its not going to be a drastic push and if PC manufacturers do start to release Helix PCs then that is when we will see some high end stuff......for a price.

The helix will be comfortably more powerful than the PS6 this time, but it will cost more and not be as big a jump as we hoped. I think they will target closer to $999 - $1,299 as the absolute limit for the powerful console where before I was leaning more towards $1,299 - $1,499 before.

This is pre ram apocalypse. Basically, I think it wont really be custom because it doesnt need it and will just use AMDs tech that they are working on. I mean PSSR is classed as custom but really its just derived from FSR. As for custom hardware, we are far beyond that stuff making a real difference I think.

 

[EchoByte]

Well, yeah. Those wont be consoles if they are a custom silicone in a PC.

The Microsoft Helix, is a console. Not a difficult thing to grasp.

Remember the Cell CPU, it was used in a game console but was sold and pitched as a device that could be used in other devices. Those devices are whatever they were but it doesnt stop the PS3 from being a console.

I am an Xbox fan. But, Xbox Helix is just a reference model to the other OEMs. It's clear as day. No idea why people are pretending there is more to be had by buying Helix from Xbox. What gain would it be for Xbox if their intent is to have that same spec be sold by other OEMs.

 

[Astray]

So reference model for 3rd party manufacturers to follow huh?

 

[Physiognomonics]

People (as in grifters) have not yet realized that soon they'll be able to play the biggest Playstation games (God of War, TLOU1 & 2, Horizon, Returnal etc.) on that Xbox. Thank you Jim.

That should be in the news, not that kind of misleading headlines (CPU is actually custom, not the GPU part).

 

[J Required]

People (as in grifters) have not yet realized that soon they'll be able to play the biggest Playstation games (God of War, TLOU1 & 2, Horizon, Returnal etc.) on that Xbox. Thank you Jim.

That should be in the news, not that kind of misleading headlines (CPU is actually custom, not the GPU part).

What is this weird deflection of this thread! What's funnier is Sony even slowed down or stopped their IP releases on PC and MS has committed %100 to release on Playstation!!

 

[DenchDeckard]

I am an Xbox fan. But, Xbox Helix is just a reference model to the other OEMs. It's clear as day. No idea why people are pretending there is more to be had by buying Helix from Xbox. What gain would it be for Xbox if their intent is to have that same spec be sold by other OEMs.

I think you are looking at it wrong. Xbox Helix is the Xbox, MS and AMD are in talks to allow OEMs and hopefully end users purchase Magnus CPUs to put into PCs. its as simple as that.

 

[Bojanglez]

People (as in grifters) have not yet realized that soon they'll be able to play the biggest Playstation games (God of War, TLOU1 & 2, Horizon, Returnal etc.) on that Xbox. Thank you Jim.

That should be in the news, not that kind of misleading headlines (CPU is actually custom, not the GPU part).

Like any PC

 

[Radical_3d]

The Microsoft Helix, is a console. Not a difficult thing to grasp.

Are we trusting MS twitter marketing now? That only let us with sorrow in the past. But if its true and it has a disk drive for backwards compatibility that'd be the definitive Xbox, that's for sure. I must have one of those.

 

[Sohurmk833]

It's going to be a shitty, overpriced prebuild PC that will be produced in tiny numbers.

That much has been known for years.

 

[Steve Holt]

Are we trusting MS twitter marketing now? That only let us with sorrow in the past. But if its true and it has a disk drive for backwards compatibility that'd be the definitive Xbox, that's for sure. I must have one of those.

I certainly doubt everything Jason Ronald says judging from his past marketing / announcements, which were out right lies.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Are we trusting MS twitter marketing now? That only let us with sorrow in the past. But if its true and it has a disk drive for backwards compatibility that'd be the definitive Xbox, that's for sure. I must have one of those.

Im not trusting Xbox twitter marketing, Im following what the ENGINEER of the box is saying.

 

[slrbomber]

The HW BC IP is now part of the AMD GPU IP going forward, so technically any RDNA5/6/etc GPU has Xbox HW BC, however I'm pretty sure you will only get actual Xbox BC on 1st-party Xbox devices due to licensing issues.

Wow if they can do that then likely the custom Xbox texture streaming HW is also going to be standard RDNA 5 or they are only doing it on Magnus or taking it out completely? Because I would expect it to be part of this

 

[Esppiral]

This really seems like it will be just a PC with a console UI.

Just like the last 2 generations I don't see what is new here.

 

[winjer]

Just like the last 2 generations I don't see what is new here.

The previous gens had more customizations.

 

[Esppiral]

The previous gens had more customizations.

There are PC parts with slightly differences, most of the time cutbacks from retail parts, but essentially PCs running custom OS

 

[Radical_3d]

Im not trusting Xbox twitter marketing, Im following what the ENGINEER of the box is saying.

In Twitter.
About a highly controversial potential move.
Regarding a concept that can be ambiguous.
After aaaaaaaaaall that has happened with MS.

 

[Starbuck2907]

It's a custom SoC with a custom AI NPU.

That's what mist rumors say.

Not sure how that's not a little secret sauce,

 

[DenchDeckard]

In Twitter.
About a highly controversial potential move.
Regarding a concept that can be ambiguous.
After aaaaaaaaaall that has happened with MS.

Please can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

About a highly controversial potential move.
Regarding a concept that can be ambiguous.
After aaaaaaaaaall that has happened with MS.

Are you guys being purposefully obtuse or just trying the aged old, lets muddy the waters to generate uncertainty. Its a classic attack move so I understand it, but im just trying to understand what you are actually saying.

Everyone from MS and close to it are saying that the Xbox box is a console, its surprisingly others that are doing everything they can to twist themselves into being confused over something that is so blatantly simple.

Either people are dumb as fuck, which I dont think is the case, or there are those like yourself that are trying to do some form of attack move.

I can not see anything controversial about the engineer saying that their next box is a console.

 

[BigLee74]

As long as it retains console form and factor, plays good games well and is priced competitively, who honestly cares about what is or is not inside it?

 

[Rubim]

PS5 had a storage solution that was sci-fi when it released. Yes, I did had a PCIe SSD years before on my PC but those loading times where unreal in 2020. Then people quickly forgot about it and focused in that weak upscaling. Also, its audio system is based on the cell's SPEs.And both Pro consoles had some innovation in them.

The PS5 storage was designed specifically to deal with an issue that plagued consoles since forever, that's not an issue with games developed using any modern ssd in mind.

The issue on PC was never storage SPEED, was the game actually being developed with that in mind.

Its why almost all "legacy" titles, loads faster on the Xbox.

How PS5 And Xbox Series X Backward Compatibility Load Times Compare

Here's how PS5 and Xbox Series X perform booting up some of the last generation's most notable load time offenders.

www.gamespot.com

Even Ratchet loads faster on PC


But its a brilliant design, specifically if you're the leading platform. Sony did more for PC than any multi-plat games.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's a custom SoC with a custom AI NPU.

That's what mist rumors say.

Not sure how that's not a little secret sauce,

I mean, this is the thing. It's a custom built chip for MS by AMD, I don't understand how that isn't custom / special but I imagine its more to do with the GPU stuff perhaps? more of a generic high end AMD card on an APU?

Im not too up on this stuff but I have a general grasp.

 

[Steve Holt]

As long as it retains console form and factor, plays good games well and is priced competitively, who honestly cares about what is or is not inside it?

Agree in the main.

Not sure why people are going crazy about whether it's a console or not. It certainly sounds more and more like a PC to me. But it's about the games at the end of the day.

It's should be a decent pre built PC tbf, in SFF.

Big argument to suggest you are better off with a PC, for those interested in this - as it allows you to update hardware etc, depends how much you value BC.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Just like the last 2 generations I don't see what is new here.

PC is an open and upgradeable platform so no. This is a completely incorrect thing to say.

 

[Shogmaster]

PC is an open and upgradeable platform so no. This is a completely incorrect thing to say.

Plenty of non-upgradable PCs out there, so hardware wise he's not entirely wrong.

 

[Tomorrow]

makes sense. probably for the best.

the hardware hasn't really been the issue for xbox. Microsoft just need to take their games off Playstation, sort out gamepass, and allow access to Steam.

 

[Viruz]

It won't be sold directly to consumers, but you will be able to buy an ASUS/MSI/etc Helix machine.

So like the 3DO from 30 years ago

 

[DenchDeckard]

So like the 3DO from 30 years ago

The modern day equivalent but in a prebuilt PC form factor.

 

[Loope]

It most certainly did. I remember for a while it being a really nice (mostly) piece of hardware. Was an above average success. Something to build on, cultivate, mature, buff, polish.....

Then Microsoft kinda just let it poop it's pants and it's just kind of a thing.

I have one for work. I really like it.

I had one too and it was a really good device, really good quality. Don't really understand the argument of someone that shits on it, to be honest.

 

[EchoByte]

Agree in the main.

Not sure why people are going crazy about whether it's a console or not. It certainly sounds more and more like a PC to me. But it's about the games at the end of the day.

It's should be a decent pre built PC tbf, in SFF.

Big argument to suggest you are better off with a PC, for those interested in this - as it allows you to update hardware etc, depends how much you value BC.

Asus Rog Xbox Ally completely failed sales wise.

 

[Loope]

Basically the entire thread.

Yeah, unhinged as fuck too. Been a while since i saw a console warrior like this. Calling someone a shill for stating facts, what the fuck...

 

[PauloRoberto]

Lmao. A living and breathing

"So X is Z? Good lord, Xbox sucks"

comment generator

Good lord, Indeed

Struck a nerve, didnt I ? :-D Only shills and idiots (in case of MS, its the same thing) beleive that a feature that will be widely available is THE BIG NEWS... pathetic

 

[GoldenEye98]

He didnt debunk anything tho. Everyone knows Helix is Xbox offering, but its the fact that other OEM offering the same

The same APU? I assumed it would be for different APU's than what Helix has..

 

[DenchDeckard]

The same APU? I assumed it would be for different APU's than what Helix has..

This is the thing. Its literally pointless if its just the same silicone in a different box, with maybe more ram or something.

For it to make sense as a PC it just needs to be the CPU that falls into an OEMs socket and a separate GPU etc.

The dream for this would be to have the AMD CPU silicone and then pair it with a 6080 / 6090 for me.

 

[Beechos]

I cant believe people are arguing whether its a pc or console. It will play games and lots of them.

 

[Orbital2060]

Even when Jason Ronald spells it out for people they still dont get it.

Because they dont WANT to get it, but rather play willfully obtuse.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Even when Jason Ronald spells it out for people they still dont get it.

Because they dont WANT to get it, but rather play willfully obtuse.

100% this! Its so obvious, its painful to read.

 

[PauloRoberto]

Even when Jason Ronald spells it out for people they still dont get it.

Because they dont WANT to get it, but rather play willfully obtuse.

With all due respect, they brought it to themselves. They already lied SO MUCH about marketing, system, software and hardware (and even worse they believe in their own lies) that is difficult to believe in anything they say....

 

[Mr Moose]

Even when Jason Ronald spells it out for people they still dont get it.

Because they dont WANT to get it, but rather play willfully obtuse.

"This means that Xbox Series S delivers the same incredible next-generation experience and features as Series X — just at a reduced rendering resolution."

 

[DenchDeckard]

With all due respect, they brought it to themselves. They already lied SO MUCH about marketing, system, software and hardware (and even worse they believe in their own lies) that is difficult to believe in anything they say....

examples?