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Nomura Interview on FINAL FANTASY Versus XIII [Development Clarification]
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ZombieFred
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Ushojax said:
That's why it's such bizarre events when thinking that at this current moment, Square's biggest thing going for it for the next few years is Eidos's line-up. Deus Ex: Human Revolution, for one example, has to probably be the exact opposite that Final Fantasy offers in terms of the JRPG definition, where Deus offers complete freedom and choice for the player to explore and make their own consequences in the game. Other big titles will be Eidoss Iconic character, Lara Croft, still having a strong fanbase and recognition, and also Hitman being a potential big contender. All of this would be out by the end of 2012 and this is only some of the titles that Eidos is brining to the market in a short amount of time.
I'm just glad that Square is trying to improve their management with sharing resources between the main technical studios, and hopefully building a great development framework. They need to in order to stay healthy and not face the total disaster development cycles they have had with FF13 Versus at present.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Yeah, I can see that.Ushojax said:
I won't say that the game will be a turd...yet...but I do find it a little disheartening that VSXIII is supposed to be similar to Kingdom Hearts' gameplay as opposed to a numbered Final Fantasy game.
Which makes me wonder...like I've said numerous times before..."Why weren't they working on Kingdom Hearts 3 this entire time!?"
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
What do they do all day. All week. All month? The resurgence of indie development shows what talented and synchronised teams can create swiftly, whereas a company that has been making games since the NES now has problems making one in whats fast approaching a decade. This entire company is fucked forever unless it gets a new CEO who takes a hatchet to the entire development structure, and fires a shitload of seemingly useless employees.
SkylineRKR
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TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:
Indeed, a KH3 is likely a stronger seller/has broader appeal than a Final Fantasy gaiden game.
Phoenix_Apollo
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Xater said:
More like they got ahead of themselves and announced it way too early. They didn't spend five years in pre-production. There's nothing other than the title of this thread saying that it's in pre-production right now. Everything we've been shown so far shows that it's in far more than pre-production.
BlazingDarkness
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Pre-production??
Fuck you SE.
Fuck you SE.
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Deleted member 30609
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Extraordinarily poor use of resources and talent, from Square? Surely not.
gundamkyoukai
Member
They should just rename it to FF Versus , if it does good it can be it's own series like what they plan to do with type -0 if i remember right .
I hope this game sells well but SE need to hired more people .
I hope this game sells well but SE need to hired more people .
They biggest problem they face on this front is that this is also the core Kingdom Hearts team, which is why we still haven't seen Kingdom Hearts 3, since it hasn't even started development yet.gundamkyoukai said:
If Square Enix wants Versus as a series, they either have to give Kingdom Hearts over fully to Osaka, or they have to give Versus to someone else.
Also, since Square Enix is currently taking everyone they can find in Osaka (that's not making Kingdom Hearts 3D) and throwing them at FFXIV, they don't really have the staff size to make Kingdom Hearts 3 there unless they decide to abandon churning out MMOs, which they don't seem willing to do yet.
I mean, they're even announcing another large scale MMO this fiscal year, and I get the distinct sense it's from their Japanese studios again.
Go_Ly_Dow
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I assume Versus will enter full production around this December to March since XIII-2 will be out the door within that time frame.
I remember the first real gameplay trailer for XIII ended with "in Production" and that was shown roughly a year from release. Still hoping for a worldwide release around Spring-Summer 2013.
I remember the first real gameplay trailer for XIII ended with "in Production" and that was shown roughly a year from release. Still hoping for a worldwide release around Spring-Summer 2013.
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ZombieFred
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Speaking of Final Fantasy, I wouldn't mind one of Eidos's studios having a go of making a Final Fantasy title, in the veigns of a RPG. I wonder if they ever started on one now that if it would release even before FF13 versus? :lol:..... 
No. It can be explained by
1) the game not being in development when they announced it (for the milliont time), but actually much later (2008-ish). They just announced it way too early when they didn't have much more than the initial concept (prince of a kingdom protects the last crystal other nations/kingdoms are trying to steal, tragic story, KH-like action RPG) nailed down.
2) the team first getting to know the hardware they are working with, so they can get as much out of it as they can and be as little hindered by technical limitations as possible
3) Nomura & his team having free hands to do the kind of game they want. Good for us, they want to make an ambitious game. Bad for us, that will take some time.
4) entering "full production" not meaning they are only in pre-production at this very moment
throwawayname
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Still Pre-Production? Looks like only 2-3 people have been working on Versus for the last 5 years. gj SE
The average gamer will not know about this news, won't know much about this game apart from word of mouth. They won't care if this game is still in pre-production.
However, it's the fans who are getting disappointed. Initially hyped to death at every possible showing but gradually Square-Enix and Nomura is squashing any interest the fans have for this game. Its ridiculous that they're still in pre-production when other developers have produced established franchises for this generation already!
Square Enix is a sinking ship. They're out of touch with current industry and they're out of touch with their fans. They're no longer relevant in this industry and should not even be considered as one of the best anymore. Its almost borderline turning into a joke publisher/developer now.
But again, the average gamer doesn't give a flying fuck about this.
However, it's the fans who are getting disappointed. Initially hyped to death at every possible showing but gradually Square-Enix and Nomura is squashing any interest the fans have for this game. Its ridiculous that they're still in pre-production when other developers have produced established franchises for this generation already!
Square Enix is a sinking ship. They're out of touch with current industry and they're out of touch with their fans. They're no longer relevant in this industry and should not even be considered as one of the best anymore. Its almost borderline turning into a joke publisher/developer now.
But again, the average gamer doesn't give a flying fuck about this.
Being "not in full production" can mean two things: a) they are in pre-production or b) they are in alpha. In alpha, normally you'd have some basic assets so you don't have to freak out whenever you're testing mechanics and someone's coat gets caught on an invisible wall. But the unusual situation here is that yes, in the January trailer we're seeing some very detailed and good assets, which usually means they moved past alpha. Since we're still hearing about experimentation, I'm assuming that Versus is actually in alpha and not pre-production like many are assuming.DrewM1788 said:
Pre-production would indicate they only designed the mechanics and haven't produced anything playable yet. Although it is possible that the Japanese game industry definition of pre-production differs from the Western one.
If most of you people are thinking this is a bit crazy, bear in mind Final Fantasy 13 had two phases of pre-production at the end which they had a very short alpha and produced the FF7AC FF13 demo, which had virtually nothing in it yet (no Paradigms, no weapons upgrade system, no Crystallium). Count yourself lucky that Versus is looking healthier, and that it's not going to have one foot in alpha while in full production.
Tl;dr Versus isn't in pre-production, it's in alpha. Change the title Kagari.
RurouniZel
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Wow, 5 years just to enter pre-production? Square, what the fuck happened to you?? LOL
This is what pisses me off the most. You don't show anything about the game to get fans excited or show there's been some progress for months at a time. The tiny sliver of media you do give up you block it from being seen besides a tiny select few (who no doubt are made to sign NDAs!). WTF?! This is NOT how you build sustain hype (or even just plain inteerest) in a title in this day and age. This isn't the 90s anymore, SE. You're no longer the big, bad 3rd party that can influence the fate of an entire console generation. SE is in their own little world while the ship is sinking around them--and they're totally oblivious to this.
Then what the hell was Nomura's team doing between 2006 and 2008?Famassu said:
This kind of defence doesn't make sense when an entire team hasn't produced a game in six years. Yes, they've worked on FFXIII, but that shouldn't have stolen all of their time and resources over an extended period, and if it did, that further shows that something is very wrong at S-E. What's the point of having multiple teams working on their own projects if they all need to collaborate for any project to make it out in a reasonable timeframe?
FF Versus will sound like a fighting or competitive multiplayer game to the western market. It reminds me of Unreal Tournament.gundamkyoukai said:
FFVsXIII was always a stupid name, but now it's seeming even more stupid.
I wouldn't want to see that.ZombieFred said:Speaking of Final Fantasy, I wouldn't mind one of Eidos's studios having a go of making a Final Fantasy title, in the veigns of a RPG. I wonder if they ever started on one now that if it would release even before FF13 versus? :lol:.....
Final Fantasy is unapologetically Japanese. In an age when the Japanese studios are increasingly focused on 'westernisation', I'd like it to stay that way.
Anyway, S-E are interested. They toyed with the concept of a Western FF with the Fortress project.
This can be interpreted to mean that they'll rename this game FFXV and work at getting it ready for an early next-gen launch. It would make sense.Nirolak said:
Urban Scholar
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froliq said:
I think they're far away from this but I personally stop paying attention about this game all together. I just hope everything else from them going forward is in a reasonable release timeline.
gundamkyoukai
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Krev said:
I don't what his team was doing but here what he has been doing since 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura
So he been rather busy with KH games from 2008 problem is all of them are on handheld and not KH3.
I just want them to get Versus out the way so the team can start on KH3 but still Versus is the game i looking forward to the most from SE is long while .
SkylineRKR
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Thats the problem with the early announcements. The game can be great, one of the best action RPG's of this generation. But it can't live up to the expectations because fans are anticipating it for over 4 years now.
The way I see it is that the best Square Enix games actually seem to come from Eidos. Although their output is still very good on the handhelds. Dissidia 2 and TO are 2 of my favourites for 2011. A lot of them are remakes from old existing material however, so perhaps the company does have a problem with its creativity or either they are playing it very safe.
That this same company hasn't announced an FFX HD collection of some sorts yet baffles me though.
The way I see it is that the best Square Enix games actually seem to come from Eidos. Although their output is still very good on the handhelds. Dissidia 2 and TO are 2 of my favourites for 2011. A lot of them are remakes from old existing material however, so perhaps the company does have a problem with its creativity or either they are playing it very safe.
That this same company hasn't announced an FFX HD collection of some sorts yet baffles me though.
BobTheFork
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With all the talk from Japanese devs about proper vision and style and marketing...... is the problem is technical proficiency and efficient production. How in the world can they have something in active production for this long with so little to show and it's not going to finish for at least a year still. I'm amazed they can do business this way.
Squall5042
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Kagari said:
THANK GOD
I hate those games where the dialogue is so spaced out as to devoid any tension in the situation. "statement................................response...............................................response"
Actually, this is a point of common confusion.gundamkyoukai said:
The people making Versus and the people doing everything else are not the same group. The handheld games are all being made in Osaka while Versus is being made in Tokyo.'
Large sections of the Tokyo staff however keeps getting taken to work on projects like FFXIII and presumably FFXIII-2.
I assume "preparing to enter full production" really means that XIII-2 is nearing content completion.
However, since Square Enix wants a game out of each team every two years, that staff may have to be taken yet again to get the next game out the door unless they can manage to make mainline titles with less staff. That's their hope with their new engine, but it's yet to be proven.
Quadrangulum
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It's hard to believe that this game was announced while I was in high school. I may be done with my graduate degree by the time this is in stores.
gundamkyoukai
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Nirolak said:
Yeah i know that's why i said i only know what he has been up to not his team .
For people asking or saying what has he done in last few years .
The only thing i know is some staff was taken off of Versus to help with FFXIII and most likely FFXII -2 .
If SE has 3 or 4 main people making games for them they really should get there own teams.
Even if they get a good engine up and running taking members off one project to next not good.
They should have teams of a certain amount always on staff and then hired when the game goes into full production .
Well, for 2006/early 2007, the KH team was working on the localization of KHII and development of Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix (which was released on March 29, 2007). After that, at least a part of KH team has supervised that the KH games not made by them would stay true to their games. A small team was working on some pre-production stuff with Versus in 2007 already (there were some air-ship tests etc.) but, from what I've gathered, the Crystal Tools weren't "ready" until maybe late 2007/early 2008 and that's when at least the development of FFXIII really got into a higher gear. I guess that could perhaps have been the point when a bigger team started working on Versus too, at least until the point when they had to help with XIII (not sure when that happened, how big of a portion of KH team they got and if development of Versus halted completely at that point).Krev said:
And Nomura himself has been busy with all kinds of projects, having a role of some kind in games like both Dissidias, 3rd Birthday, The World Ends With You and the numerous Kingdom Hearts games (Days, Coded/ReCoded & Birth By Sleep (+ Final Mix), as well as working on Advent Children Complete, which wasn't released until 2009. At least the rest of 2006, for him, was spent on the script/concepts of Versus while the KH team was still busy with KHII FM 'n stuff.
This will never become a "mainline" release just like Type-0 won't. It might end up being named something else than Versus XIII, but it won't be Final Fantasy XV.
ScionOfTheRisingSun
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DaBuddaDa said:
They have been doing this.
Calm the deuce down people, one offhand remark about a core team, whatever that means, entering full production and secret screen shots and people forget that Square released actual video footage of the game running this year, a very long video at that.
If I remember correctly FFXIII took a very short time going from full production to seeing release, so I think next year is still a very reasonable assumption for a release date, especially given how polished things look right now.
BobTheFork
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It hardly matters what they call pre or full production. If they are making the game for 6-7 yeasrs then that's how long it takes. If they pretend they are only in pre-production until the last year, the game sure as heck didn't have a one year dev cycle. I think the what the heck are they doing comments are all perfectly in-line.ScionOfTheRisingSun said: