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North Carolina GOP Goes Back on Promise to Fully Repeal Bathroom Law HB2
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Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Such a bunch of babies.... I bet the 6 month time lapse is based on some other nefarious plan to stall further until they can get enough votes to not unban it.
PhoncipleBone
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Saw this a few hours ago and was about to post a thread. What a bunch of bullshit.
And when more businesses back out of nc, the GOP will blame Cooper for not getting anything done. Ugh.
And when more businesses back out of nc, the GOP will blame Cooper for not getting anything done. Ugh.
GoldenEye 007
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Stop trying to compromise you dumbfuck nieve Dems.
This. You cannot compromise nor reason with the modern GOP, democrats.
Every time the democrats try to meet the GOP half way, they just take advantage of the opening and abuse it to its fullest. Stop trying at this point, high grounds be damned.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Have fun continuing to lose money and business.
excelsiorlef
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It was supposedly a deal to make the repeal happen. The city council fell for it.
Charlotte did play ball. They effectively repealed the ordinance, but told the NC GA that if a repeal of HB2 didn't happen before 12/31, the ordinance would go back into force. Thus, the emergency session.
excelsiorlef said:
What did they win? With no HB2 repeal, the city ordinance goes back into force.
Hasphat'sAnts
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excelsiorlef
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That was Monday. The GOP found out and got mad so Charlotte then just repealed it wholesale like on Tuesday apparently and now the GOP went nah nevermind we're not gonna repeal it and it's your (Democrats) fault to boot.
Seth Enosh
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The election happened. HB2 was an important issue for the democrats to use to campaign on for November (it seems pretty obvious that HB2's continued existence and unpopularity let Cooper beat McCrory in a photo finish), so they held off on repealing the Charlotte ordinance until after the election. Just smart politics on their part.
Edit: looked up the bill http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E5/Bills/Senate/HTML/S4v0.html
I'm guessing NCGOP figured that charlotte and other Democrat cities might just pass the bathroom ordinances again as soon as they repealed HB2, and they might not have veto-proof majority to get a new HB2 past Cooper's veto. That said, I don't get the 180 days timeline - aren't the Democratic controlled cities just going to enact the ordinance at that point? 180 days isn't really a long time when it comes to government stuff.
Based on the news I'm reading down here, alot of the NC GOP wanted a repeal (Berger, McCrory, etc.) wanted the repeal due to the heat they were getting. McCrory just lost his job over it. The more podunk reps though fought against them.
BreezyLimbo
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The dems got played
holy crap
Have democrats learned nothing
holy crap
Have democrats learned nothing
Gamer @ Heart
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Wait, I saw this thread several hours ago
Search function peeps.
Search function peeps.
They'll never learn. They're too spineless to go against the GOP because "when they go low, we go high" bullshit.
MHWilliams
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Thus is the result of expecting civility and compromise, when the other side isn't even playing the same game.
This is also the result of playing the civility and discussion game with those who do not respect or acknowledge your humanity. They will take and take. You don't have to dive to the deep end of the muck, but you must be willing to fight, you must expect that they will lie, and you must realize they will take the inch you give them and twist it around.
This is also the result of playing the civility and discussion game with those who do not respect or acknowledge your humanity. They will take and take. You don't have to dive to the deep end of the muck, but you must be willing to fight, you must expect that they will lie, and you must realize they will take the inch you give them and twist it around.
sunshine and gasoline
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Dems need to start treating the situation they are in as a war with a bitter enemy.
North Carolina is just a preview of the USA in 2020 or 2024. Republicans, and definitely the R POTUS, will wield every ounce of executive and legislative power to effectuate their agendas (the fact that they spent 6 years whining about Obama governing by Presidential EO aside) and then, the moment that they are in danger of losing that power, they will dump all of it with legislative changes in the lame duck to make the incoming D POTUS as impotent as possible. Bing bang boom, the R legislature(s) go back to being super obstructionist (proof of concept was 2010-2016) and blame government ineffectiveness on the D POTUS, ensuring at the very least an R wave election in the legislature and likely an R POTUS after a D term.
Meanwhile, they get to make hay with their agenda (without obstinate obstructionism from D legislators who will want to try to make government work) including hundreds of lifetime federal judge appointments (coming 2017 despite 6 years without confirming the D POTUS selections in the name of "judicial efficiency and judicial waste") and (probably) numerous SCOTUS appointments, all of which will solidify the R legislative and executive actions into the law of the land, including roll back of civil rights, voting rights and reproductive freedom. Even better, on the off chance D legislators ever get a majority and try to take progressive steps forward, the hundreds of lifetime appointments and conservative control of SCOTUS will ensure they fail while the R train rolls on.
Rinse and repeat.
Just fucking LOL at the Dems or anyone thinking there's ever a realistic chance of recovery for progressive politics.
Meanwhile, they get to make hay with their agenda (without obstinate obstructionism from D legislators who will want to try to make government work) including hundreds of lifetime federal judge appointments (coming 2017 despite 6 years without confirming the D POTUS selections in the name of "judicial efficiency and judicial waste") and (probably) numerous SCOTUS appointments, all of which will solidify the R legislative and executive actions into the law of the land, including roll back of civil rights, voting rights and reproductive freedom. Even better, on the off chance D legislators ever get a majority and try to take progressive steps forward, the hundreds of lifetime appointments and conservative control of SCOTUS will ensure they fail while the R train rolls on.
Rinse and repeat.
Just fucking LOL at the Dems or anyone thinking there's ever a realistic chance of recovery for progressive politics.
Dubbedinenglish
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Dems need to take back Congress and play dirty. That's really the only way shit will get done. Needless to say, we're a long way from that. Time for the party to sack the fuck up.
No, what I meant was, the NC GOP has been saying for a while that if the Charlotte city council repealed their ordinance, the state legislature would repeal HB2. Charlotte said no. Now suddenly Charlotte does it. That "deal" had always been there. So what I don't get is why they suddenly went through with it after deciding against it for so long.
Hmm, I guess.
This isn't even "they lied to us," it's outright ignoring their unwillingness to play ball. I mean, the state getting "infuriated" on the Charlotte repeal being conditional is a sure-fire sign they weren't going to follow-through. You don't just cave and give up the condition--you keep the ordinance in place!
I doubt that "deal" was anything more than rhetoric taken at face-value. It was either them waiting for the election to be over before trying to reach up to the state or just someone assuming an actual deal existed.
I doubt that "deal" was anything more than rhetoric taken at face-value. It was either them waiting for the election to be over before trying to reach up to the state or just someone assuming an actual deal existed.
StrategyFan
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NC making a strong case for getting rid of the concept of state's rights
Azure Dream
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"Hah, joke's on you! You thought we were decent human beings! We fooled you good!"
Tallshortman
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Didn't the Charlotte repeal have language triggering it's reinstatement if HB2 wasn't also repealed by Dec. 31st?
BreezyLimbo
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I think they took out that language because the NC GOP whined about it?
They got played through and through. If that language was still there, I don't think this would be a big issue...
The Silver
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Dems are a bunch of Robb Starks going up against Tywin Lannister.
Chie Satonaka
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The Democratic party is a fucking embarrassment.
SolicitorPirate
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This is why I've been saying liberals and Democrats need to learn the value of hate.
The GOP is not a party of well meaning people who disagree with you. They are your enemy. Your overriding goal has to be their destruction. Every action you take must be motivated by hate and malice for the GOP and their allies
The GOP is not a party of well meaning people who disagree with you. They are your enemy. Your overriding goal has to be their destruction. Every action you take must be motivated by hate and malice for the GOP and their allies
cascardian
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Ah, the party of small government and responsible, fiscal conservatism telling you how to do your business:
hydragonwarrior
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Because they play politics ridiculously well, and now when to be loud.
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